No.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

No one was forced to do anything. Also, I'm pretty sure flaylock nerf was confirmed incoming. Just no blog yet.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

we as a whole demand a respec.

Hahaha fuck no. Also there is a flaylock nerf coming to 1.3. Wait for the dev blog.

I'm not seeing it.

Not 1.3, 1.4 maybe, but not 1.3, it was content locked a long time ago.

I'm not seeing it.

Not 1.3, 1.4 maybe, but not 1.3, it was content locked a long time ago.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

Possible that is isn't, but really, considering the delay in telling us about the logi changes, we could well just not know it yet.

Slap a CPU extender on there and HTFU.

I will say no, just because you're a Cal logi.

i dont play my cal logi as an assault suit, i run proto nanohives which take up 85 CPU and 15 PG, i also carry my proto injector which takes up 68 CPU and around 12 PG as well as uplinks which basic takes up 42 CPU and 8 PG and i run proto of that as well. slapping on 4 extenders at 58 CPU and 8 PG each as well as a damage mod 68 CPU and 12 PG, proto CPU extender and proto PG extender and my Douvalle as well as my regulators, its VERY intensive just to push my suit to the maximum efficiancy. i dont play as an assault, i play as a logi. i chose this suit simply because it was the best choice at the time. but it is no longer viable if i lose 20 CPU. as welll as my shields getting hit HARD. and my recharge time? i wonder whos going to pick you up now. i want my gallente logi suit, because it gets 25% reduction to CPU AND PG to my valuable equipment. at nearly 240k a suit its simply not viable to run my suit at all. and i feel like all the REAL logis that got this suit will feel the same way. the assaults will QQ about the shields. though it is big, the nerf to my CPU is what hurts the most.

i dont play my cal logi as an assault suit, i run proto nanohives which take up 85 CPU and 15 PG, i also carry my proto injector which takes up 68 CPU and around 12 PG as well as uplinks which basic takes up 42 CPU and 8 PG and i run proto of that as well. slapping on 4 extenders at 58 CPU and 8 PG each as well as a damage mod 68 CPU and 12 PG, proto CPU extender and proto PG extender and my Douvalle as well as my regulators, its VERY intensive just to push my suit to the maximum efficiancy. i dont play as an assault, i play as a logi. i chose this suit simply because it was the best choice at the time. but it is no longer viable if i lose 20 CPU. as welll as my shields getting hit HARD. and my recharge time? i wonder whos going to pick you up now. i want my gallente logi suit, because it gets 25% reduction to CPU AND PG to my valuable equipment. at nearly 240k a suit its simply not viable to run my suit at all. and i feel like all the REAL logis that got this suit will feel the same way. the assaults will QQ about the shields. though it is big, the nerf to my CPU is what hurts the most.

There are mods to increase CPU that are low slots and so don't impact your shields. Adjust.

can you not read? i just said i run both proto Cpu enhancements AND PG extenders.

Use another extender, you have the slot for it.

and i feel like all the REAL logis that got this suit will feel the same way. the assaults will QQ about the shields. though it is big, the nerf to my CPU is what hurts the most.

sure, im just going to have to take off my injector and my uplinks, NBD cal logi as an assault suit? that's cool i guess.

sure, im just going to have to take off my injector and my uplinks, NBD cal logi as an assault suit? that's cool i guess.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

sure, im just going to have to take off my injector and my uplinks, NBD cal logi as an assault suit? that's cool i guess.

Or chose which mods to have proto and make sacrifices. Aside from the Gallente, can the other logis fit the same without similar sacrifices? If not, this is a non-issue, if so, there may be a point here.

Slap a CPU extender on there and HTFU.

I will say no, just because you're a Cal logi.

I'ts ridiculously easy to fit Amarr suits, because of their terrible slot count and high CPU/PG

I might be able to fit a ferroscale plate on their now

CPU extender/upgrade whatever they're called

You're other two lows are probably a kin mod and shield regulator right? Ditch the regulator.

you make perfect sense. ditch the thing their giving me a bonus for. no. NOW im going to have to slap on two of those and ditch my armor, also ditch my equipment because lets face it, who wants to die in a 240k suit?

i guess i should really thank CCP. you guys are not only giving me a major buff, 25% to both complex shield regulators is gunna be sweet psh, i can also get rid of the PG upgrade since im getting rid of my logi equipement, and they came out with those fancy energizers, oh yeah, life for a cal logi is gunna be sweet disregard this thread. i want to keep my skills :P

can you not read? i just said i run both proto Cpu enhancements AND PG extenders.

Good point, but isn't that one of the advantages of being Amarr specifically? If it was a global thing it would just hurt them more than their speed and slot count already do.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

He shows his true assault colors.

do you have the skill that increases cpu maxed. Also you are usually not able to run the best weapons, equipment and mods. I would recommend making a sacrifice in one of those areas. It was a good adjustment

nah, ive been a logi since chromosome. ive always had my proto hives and will keep on using them. but you guys just convinced me to HTFU and say screw being a logi. i can kill very efficiently in my logi suit even without the bonus to shields, in fact i wanted that to get hit for some time now. i was hoping the new bonus would be to shield recharge rate because it sucks on the logi suit. then i saw the CPU nerf and my jaw dropped simply because, i love my suit and i love my equipment and i love helping out my bros while backing them up in a fire fight. now? sure i wont be able to fit my equipment anymore but that's fine. ill rather sacrifice it as it takes me down to at least an 180k suit and lets me tank and kill much more efficiently

yeah cy, i guess your right. though itll be wierd running without my equipment i can still fit my hives and be fine. i should really be thanking CCP as, if my calculations are correct. my depleted recharge delay time should be around 3 seconds while my regular delay should be 1.5. i LOL at people that think this actually affects assault players.

He shows his true assault colors.

Love these tears. As I just posted elsewhere: it's your baby. You made it you play with it.

Put it this way - people who did not spec into the op cal Logi were not offered respecs, why should you be now that your advantage has been diminished?

Keep the tears coming tho - they are delicious.

Your fitting description indicates you are a classic combat logi/medic. You are not a full support logi (reps). You drop pads and hives and go kill **** and pick up your bros when you can. Which is a fine playstyle, but it is exactly that playstyle that CCP was targeting because it's the playstyle people were complaining about being OP (almost as good as an assault with better survivability and additional utility through equipment)

you now have to drop your damage mod (er... that's what they mean when they say you run as assault...) for another mod and pick/choose which equipment you will run.

you make perfect sense. ditch the thing their giving me a bonus for. no. NOW im going to have to slap on two of those and ditch my armor, also ditch my equipment because lets face it, who wants to die in a 240k suit?

This is it right here. Why does a guy claiming to play as a logi in a Cal logi suit have a complex damage mod and a Duvolle on his fit, but no armor repper.

It's sad how pathetic some of the player base in this game is.

This is it right here. Why does a guy claiming to play as a logi in a Cal logi suit have a complex damage mod and a Duvolle on his fit, but no armor repper.

It's sad how pathetic some of the player base in this game is.

lol heavies are gunna be even madder when i cant pick em up after they were gunned down by.. oh yeah.. a CAL LOGI

You do know Caldari are Shield tankers? Right?

If you wanted to hybrid tank you should've went with Amarr.

I won't be mad. Why? Because most players with injectors are idiots who revive me without first taking care of the threat. I could not care less for a logi with injectors. If they're not tied to me with a rep tool, then they don't deserve to be a logi.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

No.

Ah ha ha ha "Forced to spec into just to compete" ah ha ha ha, get good scrub.
Live with your decision to spec into the blatently OP, rather than the genuinely appealing.

Welcome to New Eden b*tches.

you do realize we only get 3 equipent slots right? and im sorry, but an armor repper isnt high on my list of priorities. if i had 4 i would consider it but honestly id probobly add a triage nanohive.

im going to laugh when you all think we got nerfed.. yet all your getting killed by still is bumble bees ;)

Sorry, but heavies aren't worth babysitting

Yes, heavies are a liability to team, I'm sorry, but it's the truth

There's only 3 slots? That's a fair point then, if I was a logi I'd also choose the DUs, injectors, and hives.

Still doesn't change the fact that for a brief shining moment Cal Logis armed with Tac ARs were the biggest threat on the field. And that you and many others jumped at the chance to exploit this imbalance.

And now that CCP is wrangling the Cal Logi suit back into what the role they were designed for you're upset that you can't play as the be all and end all suit. It's so cathartic. Thank you for making me smile.

These changes are intended to alleviate some of the current issues with the Logistics suits, but theyGÇÖre still not getting us where we want to be with the suits. A technical issue is currently preventing us from authoring suit bonuses that alter equipment functionality. When this is solved weGÇÖll be giving Logistics suits the bonuses they need to make their role truly shine.

Lol guys.

You're being pretty premature with this.

Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respec is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits :




Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW.

Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :)

There's only 3 slots? That's a fair point then, if I was a logi I'd also choose the DUs, injectors, and hives.

Still doesn't change the fact that for a brief shining moment Cal Logis armed with Tac ARs were the biggest threat on the field. And that you and many others jumped at the chance to exploit this imbalance.

And now that CCP is wrangling the Cal Logi suit back into what the role they were designed for you're upset that you can't play as the be all and end all suit. It's so cathartic. Thank you for making me smile.

Lol guys.

You're being pretty premature with this.

Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respec is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits :




Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW.

Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :)

Ummm no!!
Starter fits Exile militia shields, militia repper, militia nanohives, av grenade.
Very low ISK and provides good entertainment versus folks that think proto is going to save them every time.

that's cool and everything. but why take away my already taxed CPU?

TAXED CPU!? Stop sounding so damn spoiled, I'm glad you got nerfed. Stop thinking you deserve to run Proto Everything while other suits like the Amarr Logi have to sacrifice a ton just to run a decent Logi fit.

Well the tank petition is on 25 pages now and no dev replies wonder how persistent you guys are.

lol try the BPO staff recruiter militia suit with 2 shield extenders one PG upgrade exile fluxs and a compact nanohive. god mode for 8k isk xD <--- my pubstomp suit 24/7

There won't be a respec. confirmed by CCP.

There won't be a respec. confirmed by CCP.

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

where?

Yeah thats good but most of my fits are under 2K and I am trying to convince myself to run basic but then why??

Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it.

One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made.

Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it.

One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made.

Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it.

One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made.

CCP can keep their game is time to move on into greener fields and leave this junk behind in the mud where ot belongs

idk why ppl are against it

idk why ppl are against it

meh, well. division anyone?

Lol guys.

You're being pretty premature with this.

Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respec is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits :




Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW.

Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :)

Because CCP believes that those who make adecision based on data provided should be punished, those who follow others and anyone who thinks different

because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;)

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz

yeah cy, i guess your right. though itll be wierd running without my equipment i can still fit my hives and be fine. i should really be thanking CCP as, if my calculations are correct. my depleted recharge delay time should be around 3 seconds while my regular delay should be 1.5. i LOL at people that think this actually affects assault players.

i dont need to re-read because im not an ignoramous. i just know math. now lets look at numbers shall we?

Complex shield Regulator=25%x.25=30%x2=60%

8/.6= 3.2 seconds for fully depleted shields
6/.6= 2.4 seconds for damaged shields(close enough)

Hey assault suits still only get 1 equipment slot?

as far as i know, yes

Wow.

So every update people want a respec to skill into the FOTU ( fit of the update)

Just wow.


Use what you have.

The reason we don't have diversity in this game is because of people that just want to skill into the "best" things

Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/

Ah that's right:


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Grammar grade: F
Originality of thread grade: F
Logic for the respec grade: F

Sorry.

What weapon are you using?

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and my

and my Douvalle as well

my Douvalle as well

my Douvalle as well

and my Douvalle as well

my Douvalle

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.