DUST Search - Petition for RESPEC

DJINN Rampage wrote:

Cy Clone1 wrote:

DJINN Rampage wrote:

With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base.

do you have the skill that increases cpu maxed. Also you are usually not able to run the best weapons, equipment and mods. I would recommend making a sacrifice in one of those areas. It was a good adjustment

yeah cy, i guess your right. though itll be wierd running without my equipment i can still fit my hives and be fine. i should really be thanking CCP as, if my calculations are correct. my depleted recharge delay time should be around 3 seconds while my regular delay should be 1.5. i LOL at people that think this actually affects assault players.

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Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 328	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:07:00 - [91] - Quote Let me paraphrase the latest news on respecs cough... "HAHA, you **ers tried to make informed decisions using the only available information we provided? Well suck it and go buy some boosters *holes HAHAHA!"
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:07:00 - [92] - Quote hooc order wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There won't be a respec. confirmed by CCP. Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it. One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made. CCP can keep their game is time to move on into greener fields and leave this junk behind in the mud where ot belongs
Skipper Jones Molon Labe. League of Infamy 452	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:07:00 - [93] - Quote hooc order wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There won't be a respec. confirmed by CCP. Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it. One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made. I studied the skill tree. choose the Gallente. No-one was punished. IT'S ONLY 20 CPU!. >reacting.
DJINN Rampage 0uter.Heaven EoN. 58	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:09:00 - [94] - Quote meh, well. division anyone?
Vethosis Eir Gaming 587	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:10:00 - [95] - Quote idk why ppl are against it
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:12:00 - [96] - Quote hooc order wrote: Study the classes and skill tree, spend time and SP to make the best class they can...get punished for it. One of the many brilliant moves CCP has made. Never expect balancing and attempts to keep suits within their role. Always expect that in the unlikely event that if something does change, you will be given an automatic out despite being told otherwise. The player base has proven it deserves this. GVGISDEAD wrote: CCP can keep their game is time to move on into greener fields and leave this junk behind in the mud where ot belongs Won't happen. People appear to be addicted to complaining in the forums here over a philosophy that was to be expected of the developer.
DJINN Rampage 0uter.Heaven EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:12:00 - [97] - Quote because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;)
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 329	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:16:00 - [98] - Quote Vethosis wrote: idk why ppl are against it Because for some people this isn't Dust 514, the horribly incomplete and buggy fps. It is Dust 514, the glorious progeny of EVE and CCP which can do no evil and must be treated with all the respect and dutifulness of it's fore bearers. If this is the way something works in EVE it must be the way things should work in Dust forever and ever, even against all logic and reasoning.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:16:00 - [99] - Quote Vethosis wrote: idk why ppl are against it Because CCP believes that those who make adecision based on data provided should be punished, those who follow others and anyone who thinks different
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:18:00 - [100] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: meh, well. division anyone? Implying Cal logi in it's current iteration is all that kept you here? That's all it took?

Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:19:00 - [101] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Lol guys. You're being pretty premature with this. Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respec is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits : Quote: These changes are intended to alleviate some of the current issues with the Logistics suits, but theyGÇÖre still not getting us where we want to be with the suits. A technical issue is currently preventing us from authoring suit bonuses that alter equipment functionality. When this is solved weGÇÖll be giving Logistics suits the bonuses they need to make their role truly shine. Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW. Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :) Having trolled General for the past hour or two... ... it's literally like five guys complaining. lol
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 108	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:20:00 - [102] - Quote Let me tell you why the respec would be lame. people such as FOTM and crutch players will wait until they see another really OP class setup and pour all their skill points into that. They will abuse this class until the community shows that this class ruins the game and makes all other classes obsolete. CCP will then nerf it, and we will see these crutch players asking for another respec. A respec now will lead to a never ending begging of respecs from the majority of these players. These players went for the cheapest way to win instead of relying on skill and tactics and therfore should deal with it. Agreed it is CCP's fault for not discussing suits and stats with us first. But it is our fault for spending all our points in something that was clearly unbalanced.
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:20:00 - [103] - Quote GVGISDEAD wrote: Vethosis wrote: idk why ppl are against it Because CCP believes that those who make adecision based on data provided should be punished, those who follow others and anyone who thinks different Actually, those of us who made a decision based on ALL of the data, which includes acknowledging the imbalance and anticipating it's correction while being fully aware that no respec was promised, are not being punished at all.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 156	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:21:00 - [104] - Quote QQ moar. Logi's will be getting a better bonus later just give it time (per devs) . Otherwise STFU you knew it would happen.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:22:00 - [105] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;) inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 504	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:27:00 - [106] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base. So, basically, you're saying that you cry for a "flaylock nerf" & you cry for a "Caldari Logi non nerf". That's fair enough... ... for babies.
DJINN Rampage 0uter.Heaven EoN. 60	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:40:00 - [107] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;) inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz i dont need to re-read because im not an ignoramous. i just know math. now lets look at numbers shall we? Complex shield Regulator=25%x.25=30%x2=60% 8/.6= 3.2 seconds for fully depleted shields 6/.6= 2.4 seconds for damaged shields(close enough)
Cy Clone1 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 129	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:47:00 - [108] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base. do you have the skill that increases cpu maxed. Also you are usually not able to run the best weapons, equipment and mods. I would recommend making a sacrifice in one of those areas. It was a good adjustment yeah cy, i guess your right. though itll be wierd running without my equipment i can still fit my hives and be fine. i should really be thanking CCP as, if my calculations are correct. my depleted recharge delay time should be around 3 seconds while my regular delay should be 1.5. i LOL at people that think this actually affects assault players. with all that being said I also like respecs.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 281	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:55:00 - [109] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;) inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz i dont need to re-read because im not an ignoramous. i just know math. now lets look at numbers shall we? Complex shield Regulator=25%x.25=30%x2=60% 8/.6= 3.2 seconds for fully depleted shields 6/.6= 2.4 seconds for damaged shields(close enough) Hey assault suits still only get 1 equipment slot?
DJINN Rampage 0uter.Heaven EoN. 60	Posted - 2013.07.19 00:58:00 - [110] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;) inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz i dont need to re-read because im not an ignoramous. i just know math. now lets look at numbers shall we? Complex shield Regulator=25%x.25=30%x2=60% 8/.6= 3.2 seconds for fully depleted shields 6/.6= 2.4 seconds for damaged shields(close enough) Hey assault suits still only get 1 equipment slot? as far as i know, yes

Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 257	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:01:00 - [111] - Quote Cry a river. Also I was in the FF14 closed beta. It's really nothing special. Kind of boring. I'm looking forward to TESO though. One thing they did do really good on FF14 on PS3 was the controls, they work great.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 281	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:03:00 - [112] - Quote DJINN Rampage wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: because they think that by us getting nerfed it, in relation, buffs thieir suit and they wont die by cal logis becausee we wont be able to "tank" hahahaha how wrong they are. good luck touching me ;) inb4 Rampage re-reads dev blog and realizes base recharge delay was nerfed. lolz i dont need to re-read because im not an ignoramous. i just know math. now lets look at numbers shall we? Complex shield Regulator=25%x.25=30%x2=60% 8/.6= 3.2 seconds for fully depleted shields 6/.6= 2.4 seconds for damaged shields(close enough) Hey assault suits still only get 1 equipment slot? as far as i know, yes Gayy I should skill into logi then better than assault suits
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 659	Posted - 2013.07.19 01:12:00 - [113] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: Wow. So every update people want a respec to skill into the FOTU ( fit of the update) Just wow. Use what you have. The reason we don't have diversity in this game is because of people that just want to skill into the "best" things I am glad to get the monthly tears...I mean updates. I figure it will take a year or two for these people to understand that the game will always be in constant flux until we finally reach a balance with the core. Allowing reallocation of SP only slows the process. I really enjoy the QQ that come from all the people who jump into anything that gives them an edge. The pain CCP hands them is the special kind that you can't get anywhere else.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.07.19 02:13:00 - [114] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:42:00 - [115] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it. People don't HTFU when you stomp them, usually they cry on the forums.
Arirana Red Star. EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.19 04:09:00 - [116] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: DJINN Rampage wrote: With the current changes made to the logistics suits, which are complete BS by the way (take away 20 CPU? DO YOU KNOW HOW TAXED MY SUIT IS ALREADY!) as well as the several mini nerfs made to just about everything in the game that 75% of the player base was forced to spec into just to compete. (yet you leave the flaylock as is) i feel we are intitled to a respec on the basis of this is the suit i picked because of the specifications that were listed to me when it came out. you going out of left wing and nerfing everything because YOU messed up is detremental to your player base. we as a whole demand a respec. and the several bumps this will ad head should prove to you that not only are we pissed. this might just make everyone leave the game altogether. i know i for one can't wait for the open beta of FF14 to drop on friday. if this demand isnt met CCP best of luck keeping your player base. Grammar grade: F Originality of thread grade: F Logic for the respec grade: F Sorry. His originality and grammar may be crap but I think you failed to give his logic the credit it deserves. This update will be a pretty significant nerf to logis, and a double wammy on Caldari logis. Caldari logis are already slower, slower shield recharge rate, and forfeit their sidearm slot compared to the assault suit. The cpu nerf is negligible, but bringing the maximum shields and recharge delay to level without giving it the equipment bonus to compensate will just make the Callogi a weak Caldari assault suit with 2 more equipment slots until the devs decide to give the equipment bonuses. This isn't such a bad update to players who used the suit as it was intended, but most who specced into it intended to use it as an effective assault suit with more equipment slots. In this circumstance where there were no solid warnings that logi suits would be balanced at the time when everyone received their optional respect, and the Caldari Logi suit was the no brainer choice over the assault suit when it came to Planetary Conquest effectiveness and flexibility, it is unfair to out of the blue announce a nerf on the most used dropsuits by Dust's main player base without another optional respec or at least a specific sp refund for the skills being affected, and their associated items. The dev blog even stated the reason for these nerfs were to discourage assault based players to rely on the logi suits as their primary frontline suit. Kinda hard to discourage them from using the suits when they already spent 6 weeks worth of sp on it.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 143	Posted - 2013.07.19 04:40:00 - [117] - Quote LOL. You don't get it. You don't deserve a respec every time the game changes. If you want to change up, yeah, it's going to cost you some skill points. Get over it. Adapt or die, buddy.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 114	Posted - 2013.07.19 04:50:00 - [118] - Quote NERF THE FLAYLOCKS!!! oooopsie...wrong thread. O_o
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1716	Posted - 2013.07.19 05:00:00 - [119] - Quote Caldari Logi crybaby: Waaah, Waaah! i need to put a CPU upgrade into one of my 4 low slots now. This is not fair! Waah, waah! me: lol you loose 20 CPU on overally so what? put a cpu upgrade into one of your 4 low slots? boo hoo you still have 5 high and 3 additional low slots to fill out and i bet you would have more CPU with a complex upgrade then previously. get over it.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 469	Posted - 2013.07.19 07:40:00 - [120] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: What weapon are you using? DJINN Rampage wrote: and myl DJINN Rampage wrote: and my



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