lol... i win button taken away

CCP's hamsters need to be fed with tears.

This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over.

Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz.

Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm...

Sweet, sweet calilogi tears...how I have waited for this day. Keep them coming guys, they are delicious.

Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty.

Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz.

Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm...

Actually it's perfectly good feedback.

I know a couple people who tried out DUST and promptly set it down after having their choices totally altered in random patches. They likely will never pick the game up again, at least not for a good year or so, and at least two of them are heavy spenders in games that they enjoy.

:/

+1 for respecs

Note: I have only spent 2.3 million of my 7.4 million SP...please do not accuse me of using win buttons.

Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz.

Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm...

Well, it was no secret the nerf was coming. I see this as a tantrum. Children threatening to stop playing and go home. Toddler time bs.

Well, it was no secret the nerf was coming. I see this as a tantrum. Children threatening to stop playing and go home. Toddler time bs.

Caldary logis: I want a respect.
CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters
Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work.

The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.

Because that is of course their goal.

Grow up.

In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered.

TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game.

Note: I donGÇÖt use either item.

[...]You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.

In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered.

TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game.

Note: I donGÇÖt use either item.

It's not even that big of a nerf, to be honest. It's still a tough suit until they can do away with combat bonuses for logi's all together and give them equipment bonuses like they should have.

If you wanted to be a slayer, you shouldn't have picked the support suit.

Why does everyone misspell respec?

Flaylocks nerf are coming soon......

Why does everyone misspell respec?

Caldari Logi + TAC AR was the best time i has on Dust 514 i enjoyed it , now it going down hill , Now i has to grind sp for other suit til then , what ever suit am in , it getting nerf due to QQ ,
Respect button pretty good idea for a fee of ISK or AUR , i don't care,

Dear CCP if not i willing to give 10,000 - 100,000 aurs to Respects my character

In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered.

TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game.

Note: I donGÇÖt use either item.

They must eat like kings.

Yup lets all assume everyone is tuned into CCP thinking and sifts through these forums all day. Surely there are people who specced into Callogi who will find that the suit is no longer suited to their playstyle. More to the point a no respec policy makes only sense when CCP isnt making rapid changes to the weapons and suits balance at a rapid pace. If the game was stable for years on end and something new was introduced or a tweak was made sure that would make sense but otherwise no there is no reason to deny people respecs.

At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself. Personally id say the whole dropsuit frame should be refunded but other areas iike weapons and modules shouldnt be done. Moreover these arent the final changes to the suit either, they said that these bonuses are in place because the real bonuses that they want arent on the frames because of a technical hurdle that means players are playing on an unfinished archetype. To punish players who spec into under a certain set of parameters and to then completely change those parameters and tell them they are stuck with them is completely counterproductive.

It will only prevent anyone from trying any new items on the assumption that if its a bust then they are stuck with them which leads to a drop in player statistics for those items and feedback which in turn leads to unbalanced item staying in the game far longer then they would if people utilize them.

In an ideal world the devs would have the items fully balanced on initial iteration. Keep in mind there is a ton of content still planned to be added to which players would like to have access to.

This however is the biggest point to be made is that few if anyone would care about respecs if there were no SP cap, if earning SP was at a rate similar to 3x SP events people wouldnt care about the balance changes because they could rectify it in short order.

So the solution is simple either give respecs or get rid of the cap during the iterative and balancing phase of this game, once the bulk of the content is released and balanced then CCP can stick to the decisions matter mantra all they want, until then its a garbage policy.


For the record i run Gallente Logi and a host of proto weapons so i dont want nor need a respec, that and i dont play this game but for the people who still do id at least like to see them not constantly get screwed over at every turn, or perhaps its better this way it will only kill of the game faster which allows me to come in here and boast with smug satisfaction.

Caldary logis: I want a respect.
CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters
Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work.

The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.

Why does everyone misspell respec?

There wont be no refunds,those who speced into caldari logi knew the nerf would come.Just like those who invested all their sp into flaylock,,,you think they should also get a refund after it get nerf?Get rid of cap?that was funny,you imagine how many **** buckets would get full?

Caldary logis: I want a respect.
CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters
Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work.

The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.

Saving this for later so I can laugh at all the people who dont get there is going to be respec coming, they are inevitable given the content additions and the full litanty of rebalancing of weapons and suits coming. And the comment about the shiit buckets, just lol you're one of those scrubs that thinks that continued SP accrual matters in this game. Time and time again 10-15M, hell 20M is the most anyone needs to play this game competitively. Beyond this is window dressing. So yes tell yourself people will continue to grind away because so many people are logging on to cap every week just like they were in the beginning right? No wait they dont even log on perhaps its becaue they dont like playing the game and they have the amount of SP they wanted to build the character they desired. Hmm no thats too obvious that couldnt be the reason

with all the babies that whine and cry on here any time a change is made I would whole heartedly agree.

but you can't tell someone to htfu and grind 2.47 million SP cause CCP decided on a whim to fundamentally change the design of suits all over the place.

If there was no active SP it would be completely different, but not offering people a means of getting out of suits that they change so drastically is nullifying WEEKS of people's play time. Most of us are fine with grinding, but I am not happy with CCP making me feel like my time is being completely wasted with every choice I make from ACTIVE sp that I have to spend actual in game time accrueing.

At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself.

No, not HTFU. More like look before you leap. If you're choosing a support class to play as an assault class, don't be surprised when the devs make the class better for support than assault. No real analysis needed for that one. Also, 2.47m SP is if you're changing races. Given how much shields work out better than armor right now, Caldari is still strong.

You consider this a whim and a fundamental change. It's neither. Don't be surprised if they further tweak the logis to further reduce their assault possibilities in favor of making a truly fundamental change. For example, make their equipment even better (+ spawns or HP on links, + clusters on hives, + damage or drop count on RE/PM, + HP/s on reppers, + % restored on rezzers) and take away 1 or 2 mod slots or even the grenade.

Why does everyone misspell respec?

Caldary logis: I want a respect.
CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters
Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work.

The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.

To everyone responding to my post.

Even if I got a respec I would probably still go back into proto cal logi. I'm fine with the changes and im fine with my suit choice. I still think logis need a lot of work on their class design since proto equipment is next to impossible to fit unless you want to wear all advanced modules.

but you can't tell someone to htfu and grind 2.47 million SP cause CCP decided on a whim to fundamentally change the design of suits all over the place.

If there was no active SP it would be completely different, but not offering people a means of getting out of suits that they change so drastically is nullifying WEEKS of people's play time. Most of us are fine with grinding, but I am not happy with CCP making me feel like my time is being completely wasted with every choice I make from ACTIVE sp that I have to spend actual in game time accrueing.

(also we don't need a respec for 1.3 but if this rumored 'huge change' that is coming out in 1.4 happens then we should at least have a dropsuit command tree refund)

the first suit i skilled into was the caldari logi however i did not know that people considered it op and am aswell disapointed with the change.

Saving this for later so I can laugh at all the people who dont get there is going to be respec coming, they are inevitable given the content additions and the full litanty of rebalancing of weapons and suits coming. And the comment about the shiit buckets, just lol you're one of those scrubs that thinks that continued SP accrual matters in this game. Time and time again 10-15M, hell 20M is the most anyone needs to play this game competitively. Beyond this is window dressing. So yes tell yourself people will continue to grind away because so many people are logging on to cap every week just like they were in the beginning right? No wait they dont even log on perhaps its becaue they dont like playing the game and they have the amount of SP they wanted to build the character they desired. Hmm no thats too obvious that couldnt be the reason

And yet take a look at that same game and it's balance changes and you could see this long coming. Things may remain OP for months or in some cases years and all the tears in the world won't save it from the eventual nerf and likely over-nerf. Yet look at their history for refunding skills for balance changes. None. In the end they played a game which by your reasoning they knew they would lose yet chose to ride the high while it lasted.

We don't demonize their FOTM chasing, we demonize their requests for respecs in the wake of the inevitable.