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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:09:00 -
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Why does everyone misspell respec? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
624
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:11:00 -
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Don't sit there and pretend like you didn't know the Caldari Logi was OP and would one day get nerfed. It is your fault for specing into a suit not to use it as intended but to take advantage of the imbalance. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
732
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:12:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Why does everyone misspell respec? Because doing prior research into the subject and its terminology is a no go if this subject happens to be "respecs".
Or crappy auto correction, something like that...
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1493
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:14:00 -
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DARK - IMPULSE wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Sweet, sweet calilogi tears...how I have waited for this day. Keep them coming guys, they are delicious. Flaylocks nerf are coming soon...... yep, and if they leave them as effective as they left calogis (not nerfed to the ground) all you will hear me do is adapt. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
304
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:15:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Why does everyone misspell respec?
Seriously, what the hell is so hard about "respec"?
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BGoat
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:18:00 -
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I think this is sweet justice. Players who went Caldari Logi + TAC AR had their fun, now it's over. TAC AR nerfed, Caldari Logi shield bonuses nerfed. I wouldn't even say the TAC AR was nerfed that much, it's still a beast and I mop up with it all the time. Unfortunately, they put all their eggs in one basket. I have no sympathy for a player whose play style is Assault that decided to go with the Logi suit with no intention of actually functioning as a Logistics support player.
If you are an Assault player and you are willing give up some key offensive benefits in terms of weaponry and speed, the changes to the Caldari Logi suit are not your biggest problem.
I'm happy with my Gallente Assault armor tank with 600+ HP and triple complex damage mods. Sure, I'm a little slow and can't make certain jumps, but it suits my play style well, which is why I chose the fit. |
flesth
Red Star. EoN.
42
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:29:00 -
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Caldari Logi + TAC AR was the best time i has on Dust 514 i enjoyed it , now it going down hill , Now i has to grind sp for other suit til then , what ever suit am in , it getting nerf due to QQ , Respect button pretty good idea for a fee of ISK or AUR , i don't care,
Dear CCP if not i willing to give 10,000 - 100,000 aurs to Respects my character |
BGoat
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:31:00 -
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flesth wrote:Caldari Logi + TAC AR was the best time i has on Dust 514 i enjoyed it , now it going down hill , Now i has to grind sp for other suit til then , what ever suit am in , it getting nerf due to QQ , Respect button pretty good idea for a fee of ISK or AUR , i don't care,
Dear CCP if not i willing to give 10,000 - 100,000 aurs to Respects my character
I actually wouldn't have a problem with always available respecs if people had to pay $49.99 USD to get them |
GVGISDEAD
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:33:00 -
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Sure CCP will give you the " RespecT " you need |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
279
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:34:00 -
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Use militia gear then..I played a few matches today with no sp invested all I had was militia and I did fine |
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:37:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered.
TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game.
Note: I donGÇÖt use either item.
And yet take a look at that same game and it's balance changes and you could see this long coming. Things may remain OP for months or in some cases years and all the tears in the world won't save it from the eventual nerf and likely over-nerf. Yet look at their history for refunding skills for balance changes. None. In the end they played a game which by your reasoning they knew they would lose yet chose to ride the high while it lasted.
We don't demonize their FOTM chasing, we demonize their requests for respecs in the wake of the inevitable. |
TITANIC Xangore
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:40:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:CCP's hamsters need to be fed with tears. They must eat like kings.
with all the babies that whine and cry on here any time a change is made I would whole heartedly agree. |
Bob Teller
Red Star. EoN.
36
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:41:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Yup lets all assume everyone is tuned into CCP thinking and sifts through these forums all day. Surely there are people who specced into Callogi who will find that the suit is no longer suited to their playstyle. More to the point a no respec policy makes only sense when CCP isnt making rapid changes to the weapons and suits balance at a rapid pace. If the game was stable for years on end and something new was introduced or a tweak was made sure that would make sense but otherwise no there is no reason to deny people respecs.
At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself. Personally id say the whole dropsuit frame should be refunded but other areas iike weapons and modules shouldnt be done. Moreover these arent the final changes to the suit either, they said that these bonuses are in place because the real bonuses that they want arent on the frames because of a technical hurdle that means players are playing on an unfinished archetype. To punish players who spec into under a certain set of parameters and to then completely change those parameters and tell them they are stuck with them is completely counterproductive.
It will only prevent anyone from trying any new items on the assumption that if its a bust then they are stuck with them which leads to a drop in player statistics for those items and feedback which in turn leads to unbalanced item staying in the game far longer then they would if people utilize them.
In an ideal world the devs would have the items fully balanced on initial iteration. Keep in mind there is a ton of content still planned to be added to which players would like to have access to.
This however is the biggest point to be made is that few if anyone would care about respecs if there were no SP cap, if earning SP was at a rate similar to 3x SP events people wouldnt care about the balance changes because they could rectify it in short order.
So the solution is simple either give respecs or get rid of the cap during the iterative and balancing phase of this game, once the bulk of the content is released and balanced then CCP can stick to the decisions matter mantra all they want, until then its a garbage policy.
For the record i run Gallente Logi and a host of proto weapons so i dont want nor need a respec, that and i dont play this game but for the people who still do id at least like to see them not constantly get screwed over at every turn, or perhaps its better this way it will only kill of the game faster which allows me to come in here and boast with smug satisfaction. There wont be no refunds,those who speced into caldari logi knew the nerf would come.Just like those who invested all their sp into flaylock,,,you think they should also get a refund after it get nerf?Get rid of cap?that was funny,you imagine how many **** buckets would get full? |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
309
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:41:00 -
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DARK - IMPULSE wrote:Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.
You're a Caldari Logi, you get no respect from me
but on a more serious note, it wasn't that bad a nerf, you just don't get the stupid amount of shield that you shouldn't have been able to get anyway |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1017
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:42:00 -
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To everyone responding to my post.
Even if I got a respec I would probably still go back into proto cal logi. I'm fine with the changes and im fine with my suit choice. I still think logis need a lot of work on their class design since proto equipment is next to impossible to fit unless you want to wear all advanced modules.
but you can't tell someone to htfu and grind 2.47 million SP cause CCP decided on a whim to fundamentally change the design of suits all over the place.
If there was no active SP it would be completely different, but not offering people a means of getting out of suits that they change so drastically is nullifying WEEKS of people's play time. Most of us are fine with grinding, but I am not happy with CCP making me feel like my time is being completely wasted with every choice I make from ACTIVE sp that I have to spend actual in game time accrueing.
(also we don't need a respec for 1.3 but if this rumored 'huge change' that is coming out in 1.4 happens then we should at least have a dropsuit command tree refund) |
pierce Hawkeye
843 Boot Camp
34
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:45:00 -
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the first suit i skilled into was the caldari logi however i did not know that people considered it op and am aswell disapointed with the change. |
DARK - IMPULSE
Internal Error.
27
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:47:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Why does everyone misspell respec?
I chose to. Hopefully you get it |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
498
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:50:00 -
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Bob Teller wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Yup lets all assume everyone is tuned into CCP thinking and sifts through these forums all day. Surely there are people who specced into Callogi who will find that the suit is no longer suited to their playstyle. More to the point a no respec policy makes only sense when CCP isnt making rapid changes to the weapons and suits balance at a rapid pace. If the game was stable for years on end and something new was introduced or a tweak was made sure that would make sense but otherwise no there is no reason to deny people respecs.
At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself. Personally id say the whole dropsuit frame should be refunded but other areas iike weapons and modules shouldnt be done. Moreover these arent the final changes to the suit either, they said that these bonuses are in place because the real bonuses that they want arent on the frames because of a technical hurdle that means players are playing on an unfinished archetype. To punish players who spec into under a certain set of parameters and to then completely change those parameters and tell them they are stuck with them is completely counterproductive.
It will only prevent anyone from trying any new items on the assumption that if its a bust then they are stuck with them which leads to a drop in player statistics for those items and feedback which in turn leads to unbalanced item staying in the game far longer then they would if people utilize them.
In an ideal world the devs would have the items fully balanced on initial iteration. Keep in mind there is a ton of content still planned to be added to which players would like to have access to.
This however is the biggest point to be made is that few if anyone would care about respecs if there were no SP cap, if earning SP was at a rate similar to 3x SP events people wouldnt care about the balance changes because they could rectify it in short order.
So the solution is simple either give respecs or get rid of the cap during the iterative and balancing phase of this game, once the bulk of the content is released and balanced then CCP can stick to the decisions matter mantra all they want, until then its a garbage policy.
For the record i run Gallente Logi and a host of proto weapons so i dont want nor need a respec, that and i dont play this game but for the people who still do id at least like to see them not constantly get screwed over at every turn, or perhaps its better this way it will only kill of the game faster which allows me to come in here and boast with smug satisfaction. There wont be no refunds,those who speced into caldari logi knew the nerf would come.Just like those who invested all their sp into flaylock,,,you think they should also get a refund after it get nerf?Get rid of cap?that was funny,you imagine how many **** buckets would get full?
Saving this for later so I can laugh at all the people who dont get there is going to be respec coming, they are inevitable given the content additions and the full litanty of rebalancing of weapons and suits coming. And the comment about the shiit buckets, just lol you're one of those scrubs that thinks that continued SP accrual matters in this game. Time and time again 10-15M, hell 20M is the most anyone needs to play this game competitively. Beyond this is window dressing. So yes tell yourself people will continue to grind away because so many people are logging on to cap every week just like they were in the beginning right? No wait they dont even log on perhaps its becaue they dont like playing the game and they have the amount of SP they wanted to build the character they desired. Hmm no thats too obvious that couldnt be the reason |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2477
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:50:00 -
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CCP's ability to ignore a question is OP. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=95499&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1072661#post1072661 Join us here to see if it ever gets answered |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:53:00 -
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DARK - IMPULSE wrote:Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding. or option 3, don't spec into obvious broken **** |
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:59:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Saving this for later so I can laugh at all the people who dont get there is going to be respec coming, they are inevitable given the content additions and the full litanty of rebalancing of weapons and suits coming. And the comment about the shiit buckets, just lol you're one of those scrubs that thinks that continued SP accrual matters in this game. Time and time again 10-15M, hell 20M is the most anyone needs to play this game competitively. Beyond this is window dressing. So yes tell yourself people will continue to grind away because so many people are logging on to cap every week just like they were in the beginning right? No wait they dont even log on perhaps its becaue they dont like playing the game and they have the amount of SP they wanted to build the character they desired. Hmm no thats too obvious that couldnt be the reason Regarding inevitability of respecs, we'll see how that plays out. With 1.2, and so far with 1.3, we haven't come with any such announcements despite both potentially changing how people would have allocated SP based upon changes and additions. But as far as SP, honestly, since I'm not a single role player I could go well beyond 20m SP and still not have maxed all the relevant skills for what I use. Add new things and your analysis becomes complete BS. |
DARK - IMPULSE
Internal Error.
28
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:12:00 -
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TITANIC Xangore wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:CCP's hamsters need to be fed with tears. They must eat like kings. with all the babies that whine and cry on here any time a change is made I would whole heartedly agree.
Nobody is crying.
I am not unhappy with the changes other than the 20 cpu decrease which makes it even harder to fit any proto equipment.
My problem is the way they approach things and how the handle business. Dust 514 is not a finished game and is going to take a while before it gets there if it does. We are just testers of the game and respecs are just necessary since changes are going to continuing happening .
The player base is terrible and not to mention that this game can't stand toe-to-toe with other FPS in the playstation market because of the lack of core-basic mechanics. The possibility of having respecs after changes makes it a great feature to stop losing players.
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Call Down
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:42:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote: but you can't tell someone to htfu and grind 2.47 million SP cause CCP decided on a whim to fundamentally change the design of suits all over the place.
If there was no active SP it would be completely different, but not offering people a means of getting out of suits that they change so drastically is nullifying WEEKS of people's play time. Most of us are fine with grinding, but I am not happy with CCP making me feel like my time is being completely wasted with every choice I make from ACTIVE sp that I have to spend actual in game time accrueing.
No, not HTFU. More like look before you leap. If you're choosing a support class to play as an assault class, don't be surprised when the devs make the class better for support than assault. No real analysis needed for that one. Also, 2.47m SP is if you're changing races. Given how much shields work out better than armor right now, Caldari is still strong.
You consider this a whim and a fundamental change. It's neither. Don't be surprised if they further tweak the logis to further reduce their assault possibilities in favor of making a truly fundamental change. For example, make their equipment even better (+ spawns or HP on links, + clusters on hives, + damage or drop count on RE/PM, + HP/s on reppers, + % restored on rezzers) and take away 1 or 2 mod slots or even the grenade.
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Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
111
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:50:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself.
The problem with this is that these players made a bunch of SP before, during and after the triple SP event.
Giving them the respec would let them have their cake and eat it, too. All they would need to do now would be to take all their SP out and throw it into something else, which isn't fair because the suit wasn't fair.
At least without a respec, they have some sort of penalty.
Munch |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
673
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:53:00 -
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I don't mind it at all. The 20 CPU may be an issue, but I like the regulator bonus. I honestly think people will cry about them more.
The CPU nerf will likely make me less of a support element than before. I won't be able to run proto equipment now. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1024
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:53:00 -
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Call Down wrote:ZDub 303 wrote: but you can't tell someone to htfu and grind 2.47 million SP cause CCP decided on a whim to fundamentally change the design of suits all over the place.
If there was no active SP it would be completely different, but not offering people a means of getting out of suits that they change so drastically is nullifying WEEKS of people's play time. Most of us are fine with grinding, but I am not happy with CCP making me feel like my time is being completely wasted with every choice I make from ACTIVE sp that I have to spend actual in game time accrueing.
No, not HTFU. More like look before you leap. If you're choosing a support class to play as an assault class, don't be surprised when the devs make the class better for support than assault. No real analysis needed for that one. Also, 2.47m SP is if you're changing races. Given how much shields work out better than armor right now, Caldari is still strong. You consider this a whim and a fundamental change. It's neither. Don't be surprised if they further tweak the logis to further reduce their assault possibilities in favor of making a truly fundamental change. For example, make their equipment even better (+ spawns or HP on links, + clusters on hives, + damage or drop count on RE/PM, + HP/s on reppers, + % restored on rezzers) and take away 1 or 2 mod slots or even the grenade.
Its 2.47 mill SP for me to go from 0 points in caldari assault to 5 points in caldari assault... if you change races its even more as you need 3 levels of basic frame.
I'm aware of the potential 1.4 changes they are making. If they are as drastic as you think... then I really hope we all get another refund. I looked before I leapt... I wanted shield tanked logi.. and thats what i got.
Doesn't change the fact that 2.47 million SP is 9 weeks of grinding... not waiting like in eve, actual in game grinding. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War
2423
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:59:00 -
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People who specced into Caldari logis for the FotM don't deserve respect. They don't need a respec either. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
112
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:05:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Why does everyone misspell respec?
In my case it is my spell check. It auto changes respec to respect. I have to watch it carefully.
Munch
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
259
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:27:00 -
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I literally just got my cal logi 5, knew this was coming, and don't care....
lesson to the FOTM chasers...
stop chasing
actually learn to play the game and quit depending on your equipment to carry you
then when the nerf bat swings it wont shatter your tiny world.
to all the QQers who want respecs and are threatening to quit... I say quit
you knew the suit was OP and you road the wave with glee. now you have the audacity to complain? youre pathetic and you drive the overall I.Q. of the player base down.
the nerf isn't that big after all its a LOGI suit not an assault suit and CCP is trying to make it work as intended so shame on you frontliners for trying to exploit their honest mistakes... youre getting what you deserve, and if that drives you to quit then you weren't worth the time of the community anyway and I say good effing riddance.
I love the rest of you
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1171
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:29:00 -
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DARK - IMPULSE wrote:Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.
I respect logi players. |
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