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DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. 22	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:22:00 - [1] - Quote Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 937	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:23:00 - [2] - Quote lol... i win button taken away
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5279	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:26:00 - [3] - Quote ladwar wrote: lol... i win button taken away It's not even that big of a nerf, to be honest. It's still a tough suit until they can do away with combat bonuses for logi's all together and give them equipment bonuses like they should have. If you wanted to be a slayer, you shouldn't have picked the support suit.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1484	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:28:00 - [4] - Quote Sweet, sweet calilogi tears...how I have waited for this day. Keep them coming guys, they are delicious.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3408	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:30:00 - [6] - Quote CCP's hamsters need to be fed with tears.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1485	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:32:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: CCP's hamsters need to be fed with tears. They must eat like kings.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1014	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:32:00 - [8] - Quote xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm...
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:33:00 - [9] - Quote No need for respecs, just quit the game /logis /respecs /resets of any type /dust514 /PS3 #PS4 lol
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1485	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:34:00 - [10] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty.

DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. 24	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:36:00 - [11] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Sweet, sweet calilogi tears...how I have waited for this day. Keep them coming guys, they are delicious. Flaylocks nerf are coming soon......
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5280	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:36:00 - [12] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty. Actually it's perfectly good feedback. I know a couple people who tried out DUST and promptly set it down after having their choices totally altered in random patches. They likely will never pick the game up again, at least not for a good year or so, and at least two of them are heavy spenders in games that they enjoy. :/
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 706	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:37:00 - [13] - Quote +1 for respecs Note: I have only spent 2.3 million of my 7.4 million SP...please do not accuse me of using win buttons.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:38:00 - [14] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... You know, proto isn't the only option here in fact, I never run anything above adv suits and do just fine. And don't pretend like the cal logi won't be a force still, you're lucky it didn't get a nerf hammer thrown on it.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1485	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:39:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jin Robot wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty. Actually it's perfectly good feedback. I know a couple people who tried out DUST and promptly set it down after having their choices totally altered in random patches. They likely will never pick the game up again, at least not for a good year or so, and at least two of them are heavy spenders in games that they enjoy. :/ Well, it was no secret the nerf was coming. I see this as a tantrum. Children threatening to stop playing and go home. Toddler time bs.
DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. 24	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:39:00 - [16] - Quote hooc order wrote: +1 for respecs Note: I have only spent 2.3 million of my 7.4 million SP...please do not accuse me of using win buttons. I tell you right now forget about that...... come back in 5 years.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 167	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:40:00 - [17] - Quote Everybody wants respect, but it needs to be earned. Respecs are another story.
Poonmunch Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 110	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:40:00 - [18] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... How many SP did you get before, during and after the triple SP event with that suit? How much salvage did you get before, during and after the triple SP event with that suit? How much ISK did you get before, during and after the triple SP event with that suit? Everyone knew it was over powered and the forums were lit up with the controversy. Didn't you see this coming? It was pretty obvious to me that the suit would be rebalanced. No sympathy here. Munch
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 939	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:43:00 - [19] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Jin Robot wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty. Actually it's perfectly good feedback. I know a couple people who tried out DUST and promptly set it down after having their choices totally altered in random patches. They likely will never pick the game up again, at least not for a good year or so, and at least two of them are heavy spenders in games that they enjoy. :/ Well, it was no secret the nerf was coming. I see this as a tantrum. Children threatening to stop playing and go home. Toddler time bs. yup... they had there fun at the cost of everyone else so payback is good for that, its not like they are going to be useless like oh shield HAVs which i have 12mil into or anything like it so there is not that big of a reason to complain.
DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. 24	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:45:00 - [20] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Jin Robot wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: This hardly changes anything on the cal logi tbh... And it's not like you're not into the cal racial assault already, just switch over. Oh yeah.. with that 2.47 million SP I just had laying around for the lulz. Oh yeah... let me grind out 2.47 million SP real quick... oh... thats 9 weeks of grinding... well FF14 is releasing in 4... hm... Ohh, do I detect a hint of lemon in those tears....nice touch, very tasty. Actually it's perfectly good feedback. I know a couple people who tried out DUST and promptly set it down after having their choices totally altered in random patches. They likely will never pick the game up again, at least not for a good year or so, and at least two of them are heavy spenders in games that they enjoy. :/ Well, it was no secret the nerf was coming. I see this as a tantrum. Children threatening to stop playing and go home. Toddler time bs. No, don't stop playing this game is awesome. The hit detection and the aiming are one of the best in the FPS market. The maps are smooth as hell, I mean when was the last time you got stuck in any structure of any map. All the game modes and don't even mention the huge player base in a 78 million playstations sold- market.

Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2553	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:45:00 - [21] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding. Because that is of course their goal. Grow up.
SteelDark Knight Internal Error. 53	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:48:00 - [22] - Quote In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered. TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game. Note: I donGÇÖt use either item.
DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. 24	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Caldary logis: I want a respect. CCP: HAHAHA, No. just buy more boosters Caldari logis: ahhhhhh, I guess i will look for another FPS game, where the core mechanics at least work. The marketing of CCP is to purposefully put op weapons and dropsuits, so the masses run to them and wait months to change them and when they change them people are stuck with a uncompetitive dropsuit or weapon. You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding. Because that is of course their goal. Grow up. zzzzzzzzzzz, boring........ oh f***k. It is betamax . Nvm.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:55:00 - [24] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered. TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game. Note: I donGÇÖt use either item. But FPS...............
Keyser Soze VerbalKint Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 495	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:58:00 - [25] - Quote Yup lets all assume everyone is tuned into CCP thinking and sifts through these forums all day. Surely there are people who specced into Callogi who will find that the suit is no longer suited to their playstyle. More to the point a no respec policy makes only sense when CCP isnt making rapid changes to the weapons and suits balance at a rapid pace. If the game was stable for years on end and something new was introduced or a tweak was made sure that would make sense but otherwise no there is no reason to deny people respecs. At the very least people ought to get a refund out of the logi suit and not the racial frame itself. Personally id say the whole dropsuit frame should be refunded but other areas iike weapons and modules shouldnt be done. Moreover these arent the final changes to the suit either, they said that these bonuses are in place because the real bonuses that they want arent on the frames because of a technical hurdle that means players are playing on an unfinished archetype. To punish players who spec into under a certain set of parameters and to then completely change those parameters and tell them they are stuck with them is completely counterproductive. It will only prevent anyone from trying any new items on the assumption that if its a bust then they are stuck with them which leads to a drop in player statistics for those items and feedback which in turn leads to unbalanced item staying in the game far longer then they would if people utilize them. In an ideal world the devs would have the items fully balanced on initial iteration. Keep in mind there is a ton of content still planned to be added to which players would like to have access to. This however is the biggest point to be made is that few if anyone would care about respecs if there were no SP cap, if earning SP was at a rate similar to 3x SP events people wouldnt care about the balance changes because they could rectify it in short order. So the solution is simple either give respecs or get rid of the cap during the iterative and balancing phase of this game, once the bulk of the content is released and balanced then CCP can stick to the decisions matter mantra all they want, until then its a garbage policy. For the record i run Gallente Logi and a host of proto weapons so i dont want nor need a respec, that and i dont play this game but for the people who still do id at least like to see them not constantly get screwed over at every turn, or perhaps its better this way it will only kill of the game faster which allows me to come in here and boast with smug satisfaction.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:58:00 - [26] - Quote So what. I have to use 3 complex shield instead on 2. But I drop a complex damage mod... Now my Duvolle wont insta kill no more
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 731	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:00:00 - [27] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: [...]You as a player face two options: either stop playing the game (which a lot of people is doing btw) or buy more booster to be competitive again in months of grinding. Or don't all-in on clearly overpowered crap when you know that you're into it for the OPnes, not the playstyle. Not that hard a concept one might think... I'm a cal logi btw and i'm already on water infusions because of all the salty tears.
NOAMIzzzzz The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 3	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:01:00 - [28] - Quote olololol dem tears
Keyser Soze VerbalKint Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 497	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:03:00 - [29] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: In a game that is in the same universe as another that is fondly called GÇ£Spreadsheets in SpaceGÇ¥ I am surprised by the amount of people whom blame the player for taking a look at the numbers of each item and making an educated decision. Cal LogiGÇÖs, Flaylocks, etc. are all poor balancing decisions by CCP and the fact that we demonize players whom make educated decisions instead of CCP seems a bit strange to me all things considered. TL:DR GÇô DonGÇÖt hate the player. Hate the game. Note: I donGÇÖt use either item. The sad part is if there were a test server or if CCP had the decency to do a full data dump like we asked for prior to release of all this content then we could have pointed out everyone of these issues. It wasnt difficult to see that all these things were out of place. Now one side will argue well thats the exact reason to avoid those items because they will eventually get addressed meanwhile you are asking for competitve players to not use the most competitive gear operating under the assumption everyone will act in the same accord it doesnt happen. The fact is CCP reactive approach to developing this game is half of its problem, most if not all of these imbalances and inconsistencies are spotted on the first day of new content drops because once the players have the actual numbers in their hands they can quickly determine how it will fit in with the rest of the game. Now its nice they are releasing blogs and telling us ahead of time what the coming changes are, what future consideration they are looking into but its bit late on the matter for this point in time.
Sloth9230 Deepspace Digital 2476	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:07:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ladwar wrote: lol... i win button taken away It's not even that big of a nerf, to be honest. It's still a tough suit until they can do away with combat bonuses for logi's all together and give them equipment bonuses like they should have. If you wanted to be a slayer, you shouldn't have picked the support suit. Or they could be planning to give them multiple bonuses, just like Galente suit, you never know



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