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P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:56:00 -
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If I fly below 200 feet, I get instapopped. One hit = dead. Seems to be railguns but not certain the death screen details are not very specific. Expensive fireball. Perhaps lag. Death screen shows total damage but onscreen is boom dead. No time to react. I try to liftoff into the red on skirmish but same result. After first minute or so AB is needed and some luck just to call in dropship and get into the air. Hugging the red is ineffective.
If I spend too much time at maximum height as to avoid said death, a bug occurs where I am hit for 57k damage and die instantly. Yep.
I have tried many alts flying all of the dropships. There are a few ways to fit it. Logi tank, Afterburner GTFO, or LAVmince AKA Assault. None of them are successful. If you go for tank, you die from maximum height death. If you go for AB, you cannot get out in time against the ubertracking playerturrets. If you go assault. LOL assault. Superfunhappyride all aboard for pointless fit.
All I'm saying is: It's impossible to fly Dropships. Between the ground offence, zero counter measures and glitchtastic gameplay, I just have to give up playing. I really want it to be playable but I've exhaunted all my options and I'm afraid it isn't achievable to fulfil the role whatsoever. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:02:00 -
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You are probably too new to have read all the veteran pilot threads where we went over this ad nauseam and concluded by respecing out of flying.
Just put your toys in the hanger for a year or so until they get fixed. |
P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:07:00 -
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Skihids wrote:You are probably too new to have read all the veteran pilot threads where we went over this ad nauseam and concluded by respecing out of flying.
Just put your toys in the hanger for a year or so until they get fixed.
I would respec out of flying if I cared about anything else in this game.
Yes, yes I might just come back when dropships are fixed. But it's been a year now a they are still broken. i'm just frustrated and fed up to be honest. I've read other complaints but wanted to put my extra sauce on it before I left. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:13:00 -
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i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:22:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it You can get done good EHP on the incubus, problem is it tends to cost you too much mobility, dropships seem to end up with 3 choices of tanking, EHP tank, speed tank, and a bit of both. Problem is dropships fail at all 3 for obvious reasons. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:25:00 -
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gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it You can get done good EHP on the incubus, problem is it tends to cost you too much mobility, dropships seem to end up with 3 choices of tanking, EHP tank, speed tank, and a bit of both. Problem is dropships fail at all 3 for obvious reasons. yea i'm always up in the air about afterburner or more shield/shield hardener, but i figured trying to afterburn a gallente was kinda polishing a turd |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:31:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it You can get done good EHP on the incubus, problem is it tends to cost you too much mobility, dropships seem to end up with 3 choices of tanking, EHP tank, speed tank, and a bit of both. Problem is dropships fail at all 3 for obvious reasons. yea i'm always up in the air about afterburner or more shield/shield hardener, but i figured trying to afterburn a gallente was kinda polishing a turd with the 1400/4000 i can tank about 4 good FG hits, and about 2 large rail turret installations, i can sometimes get to juking in time to make it away from the last fatal hit, but yea i enjoy flying lesser HP ships for the speed reason you mentioned. It works to a certain extent but the PG cost is a little too much for a low slot tanker. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:33:00 -
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Yeah I retired my wings until CCP decides to care about dropships.
Which will be after the game dies. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:37:00 -
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gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it You can get done good EHP on the incubus, problem is it tends to cost you too much mobility, dropships seem to end up with 3 choices of tanking, EHP tank, speed tank, and a bit of both. Problem is dropships fail at all 3 for obvious reasons. yea i'm always up in the air about afterburner or more shield/shield hardener, but i figured trying to afterburn a gallente was kinda polishing a turd with the 1400/4000 i can tank about 4 good FG hits, and about 2 large rail turret installations, i can sometimes get to juking in time to make it away from the last fatal hit, but yea i enjoy flying lesser HP ships for the speed reason you mentioned. It works to a certain extent but the PG cost is a little too much for a low slot tanker.
right i have to fit 2 %15 power upgrades and nano fibers to fit AB, which is going against the armor bonus strengths of a gallente |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
468
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:40:00 -
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I tend to not know if a forge or a rail killed me because I'm good at jumping out of the ship. Unless I see the shot fired or fly past, it's a little hard to tell which it was and when the second shot takes me out I'm out of the ship before it even starts losing altitude. |
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French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:42:00 -
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If you actually read the forums instead of just coming to whine and cry you would know CCP has said they are going to review dropships and lower the price, they are also looking for a way to make it so pilots gain wp |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:43:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:gbghg wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:i just spent about 800k sp upgrading my dropships tank and have gone about 8 maps without loosing an incubus, 1400/4000hp, the points spent to me were worth it You can get done good EHP on the incubus, problem is it tends to cost you too much mobility, dropships seem to end up with 3 choices of tanking, EHP tank, speed tank, and a bit of both. Problem is dropships fail at all 3 for obvious reasons. yea i'm always up in the air about afterburner or more shield/shield hardener, but i figured trying to afterburn a gallente was kinda polishing a turd with the 1400/4000 i can tank about 4 good FG hits, and about 2 large rail turret installations, i can sometimes get to juking in time to make it away from the last fatal hit, but yea i enjoy flying lesser HP ships for the speed reason you mentioned. It works to a certain extent but the PG cost is a little too much for a low slot tanker. right i have to fit 2 %15 power upgrades and nano fibers to fit AB, which is going against the armor bonus strengths of a gallente I wish I still had my chassis mods, then I really could speed tank a python. |
Gordon WarHammer
Corporate Industrial Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:43:00 -
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I love the dropships. They aren't supposed to be invincible or really even be aerial support, they are troop transports with guns on them. I lose a few but only when I put my self in silly situations where if the enemy is any good they will shoot me down. Key is to be fast in and out and have good turret skills good gunners and not to stay in one spot to long. Properly fit you can take quite a few hits, and have time to find cover and heal up. The ones purchased with aur are paper thin so don't buy those. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
825
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:44:00 -
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French Fancy wrote:If you actually read the forums instead of just coming to whine and cry you would know CCP has said they are going to review dropships and lower the price, they are also looking for a way to make it so pilots gain wp CCP says a lot of things.
80% of it is fluff. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1959
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:52:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:French Fancy wrote:If you actually read the forums instead of just coming to whine and cry you would know CCP has said they are going to review dropships and lower the price, they are also looking for a way to make it so pilots gain wp CCP says a lot of things. 80% of it is fluff.
that's a very generous number. I'd say it's closer to 100%. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:02:00 -
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Idunno man, they do have far too little EHP but I was playing with a fellow named Blackout last night and he seemed to fly his dropship pretty well and had no issue with anything other than swarms.
Wasn't really a problem for him since he could easily do some fancy barrel roll to evade them. |
P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:14:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Idunno man, they do have far too little EHP but I was playing with a fellow named Blackout last night and he seemed to fly his dropship pretty well and had no issue with anything other than swarms.
Wasn't really a problem for him since he could easily do some fancy barrel roll to evade them.
Do a barrel roll!
I find that hard to believe. You need at least 100 feet a full momentum to do a barrel roll. If you are going full throttle at a hundred feet, then your mercs must have to time your jumps perfectly. Most players don't get how to do that. More over if you don't have a clone onboard, how are you going to pick up players? No worries brah, just do a barrel roll and evade them. As if that **** actually worked because it doesn't. Only thing that stops swarms is range and obstructions.
For this reason, AB fit is effective against swarms. Put on some hardeners and youre golden. Fly away, rep and come back later. But then if you fit an afterburner, youre effective HP goes down, meaning you are weak to forges and rails and get 2 shotted, i.e. instant death.
I don't know how to approach this. I had my little rant but I'm a constructive person at heart. Honestly, I probably need more tips. |
Shadow Stlker
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:17:00 -
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You should learn when to not call in a dropship as compressed railgun tanks will 2 shot most. Map awareness is really key when flying a dropship along with a good ground team to help with av fire. Get a 2nd role to play or you will be really bored with the game. |
Telleth
DUST University Ivy League
78
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:59:00 -
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I haven't flown dropships, but have done LLAV's. would a DS with EHP of a LLAV make it OP or would that feel about right? |
Benjamin Ciscko
S.e.V.e.N. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:11:00 -
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If you know what your doing you should be fine, I was a gunner in an Assault dropship with Blackout (same squad as THUNDERGROOVE) and whenever we encountered a Forge gun or swarms he would boost away or fly in an unorthodox way to avoid the blasts. Then he would fly back and we would kill the enemy if our turrets couldn't get him I would drop off on top of him and kill him. In 4-5 matches he lost only 1 drops If you are an experienced pilot you can be a very formidable enemy. |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1962
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:16:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:If you know what your doing you should be fine, I was a gunner in an Assault dropship with Blackout (same squad as THUNDERGROOVE) and whenever we encountered a Forge gun or swarms he would boost away or fly in an unorthodox way to avoid the blasts. Then he would fly back and we would kill the enemy if our turrets couldn't get him I would drop off on top of him and kill him. In 4-5 matches he lost only 1 drops If you are an experienced pilot you can be a very formidable enemy.
I can rofl-stomp newbs with a scout and a plasma cannon, but that doesn't really mean a damn thing. Unless you were flying in a "real" match against actual AV, it's just anecdotal evidence of how bad new players in instant battles are. I too have had matches where my gunners pulled 20+ kills each, but it wasn't because dropships are good, it's because our opponents were awful. |
P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:16:00 -
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Telleth wrote:I haven't flown dropships, but have done LLAV's. would a DS with EHP of a LLAV make it OP or would that feel about right?
I am ignorant about LLAV fits but surely a DS has more EHP already.
Thing is, LLAVs are much more manoeuvrable than dropships. A good driver will use buildings and so forth between him and the threat and he can GTFO quite easily.
A dropship on the other hand, can't get away quickly or use buildings between himself and the would be turret or forge gunner. Or should I say, he is strongly advised not to. If you want to you have to land somewhere for protection. And when you're on the ground you are extremely vulnerable. Not because you have low HP or anything like that, but because you just cut yourself off from the only escape plan you had. Taking off takes a long time, too long. There is no way you can react to swarm even, if you wait for him to come for you. |
P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:30:00 -
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If the DS handled like an LAV in the air, that would solve 90% of problems. |
Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
428
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:46:00 -
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*Dies in Dark Souls, Looks up*
All these responses are saying like: "If you know what you're doing..."
No. CCP ****** them over, Blam is probably unemployed and now they're trying to scrape together a fix for what they broke, which will probably cause the Dropships to become AC130's and rip everyone apart, something they won't fix for another 6 months, or maybe never.
*Goes back to Dark Souls* |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1734
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:50:00 -
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Gordon WarHammer wrote:I love the dropships. They aren't supposed to be invincible or really even be aerial support, they are troop transports with guns on them. I lose a few but only when I put my self in silly situations where if the enemy is any good they will shoot me down. Key is to be fast in and out and have good turret skills good gunners and not to stay in one spot to long. Properly fit you can take quite a few hits, and have time to find cover and heal up. The ones purchased with aur are paper thin so don't buy those.
Dropships aren't "for" anything. CCP just threw them together without a solid mission in mind.
Transport? If they were serious about that there would A) Be some need for aerial transport and B) A much more coordin+íted/practical way to get mercs in and out in a group.
No, they started with a "flying thing" and then half heartedly made up reasons for it to exist. Oh, it can scan! Never mind that the radial scanner is crap in a flying vehicle. Let's let it rep armor! Never mind that it's made of paper m+óch+¬ and has to remain within ten meters of what's being shot at.
Oh hell, let's add a gun and have it kill things, because that's the only real mission we have to offer... |
P06-B
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:56:00 -
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Skihids wrote:[...]
Oh hell, let's add a gun and have it kill things, because that's the only real mission we have to offer...
Holy hell that thing is hard to aim.
Like trying to urinate in tin while you hula hoop. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
700
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Posted - 2013.07.18 03:00:00 -
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Saw some poor guy lose his ADS today it was quite depressing really he called it in took off and suddenly, the guy who was stood next to him and got in the DS with him (who I presumed was waiting for the dropship) well his MLT LAV turned up and the RDV slammed the ADS back down pronto. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1735
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Posted - 2013.07.18 03:38:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Saw some poor guy lose his ADS today it was quite depressing really he called it in took off and suddenly, the guy who was stood next to him and got in the DS with him (who I presumed was waiting for the dropship) well his MLT LAV turned up and the RDV slammed the ADS back down pronto.
Oh yeah, now that RDVs have a three second response time you can call them in like artillery rounds where ever you are. |
Mary Sedillo
BetaMax. CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:21:00 -
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P06-B wrote:If I fly below 200 feet, I get instapopped. One hit = dead. Seems to be railguns but not certain the death screen details are not very specific. Expensive fireball. Perhaps lag. Death screen shows total damage but onscreen is boom dead. No time to react. I try to liftoff into the red on skirmish but same result. After first minute or so AB is needed and some luck just to call in dropship and get into the air. Hugging the red is ineffective.
If I spend too much time at maximum height as to avoid said death, a bug occurs where I am hit for 57k damage and die instantly. Yep.
I have tried many alts flying all of the dropships. There are a few ways to fit it. Logi tank, Afterburner GTFO, or LAVmince AKA Assault. None of them are successful. If you go for tank, you die from maximum height death. If you go for AB, you cannot get out in time against the ubertracking playerturrets. If you go assault. LOL assault. Superfunhappyride all aboard for pointless fit.
All I'm saying is: It's impossible to fly Dropships. Between the ground offence, zero counter measures and glitchtastic gameplay, I just have to give up playing. I really want it to be playable but I've exhaunted all my options and I'm afraid it isn't achievable to fulfil the role whatsoever.
Umm, you are doing it wrong? I can get 40+ kills with my dropship.
Yes, you will lose a dropship when you are a new pilot. Yes, the AV is strong enough to wipe the floor of newer ones in a single go.
But lets back up a second, yes?
Do newer pilot have a sense of builds? You should prioritize survival over raw power. Why you ask? Well, with the current state of AV, you need to. Afterburners, resistance modules both active and passive, and more can save your ship from instant popping. Also, certain instances are just bad to fly.
What to do? Recall your ship. Swallow your pride and fill a different role. I have flown for a long time and yes I love to fly but I realize that if the AV exceeds a certain level, I am no longer truly useful. So I recall, bring in a tank right for the situation (Was the enemy a rail tank? Bring in a rail myself. Was the enemy fielding a blob of infantry? Blaster/LLAV) and I go from there. One problem I see with many pilots are how inflexible they are.
Do I think the current state of Dropships is perfect? No. It definitely needs work. More WP from different sources which Dropships excel at, i.e. WP for spawn in, WP for kill had from someone dropping, etc, tweaks on the physics from weapons that nearly roll us but do no damage (looking at you flaylocks/mass drivers). I won't give up on the role and I will continue to fight to prove our viability on the battlefield.
Tip: Caldari beats Gallente in Air-to-Air but Gallente better at surviving Ground-to-Air Anti-Vehicle weaponry (even the rockets). |
Cygnus Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:54:00 -
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P06-B wrote: Do a barrel roll!
This ^ |
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