DUST Search - Why can't we go prone ?

Reno Pechieu wrote:

Spirit Charm wrote:

Reno Pechieu wrote:

Also agree on the vaulting, but that might be harder to implement I can imagine.
Seeing as it might need some instructions on the map to designate what is a viable obstacle to vault over.

just auto vault when sprinting towards an object.

The thing is; what is an object?
Seen from the games point of view.

We all understand what we perceive is fair, but thatGÇÖs not necessary true for the game to understand

If itGÇÖs something thatGÇÖs build into the player movement, then a lot of values needs to be determined:
Is a wall an object? Is it vaultable from every side?
How low, high, short or long must it be for one to be or not be able to vault over it?
Does it need a clearing?
Will it commit to a vault if itGÇÖs a drop on the other side?

If itGÇÖs build into the map, then thatGÇÖs a lot of extra work for whoever designs the map.
This is what I believe they went with in the shooter game Brink, and recalling even then they had plenty of issues with it.

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Italian dude 93 D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 4	Posted - 2013.07.16 20:11:00 - [1] - Quote I would like the ability to go prone.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 776	Posted - 2013.07.16 20:26:00 - [2] - Quote Don't see why not.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 444	Posted - 2013.07.16 20:29:00 - [3] - Quote Probably for the same reason we cannot vault over low obstacles.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2524	Posted - 2013.07.16 20:35:00 - [4] - Quote Italian dude 93 wrote: I would like the ability to go prone. Because the god-tier players like xprotoman23 and such have declared that prone would instantly ruin the game because then everyone would be prone all the time and the gameplay would be slow and boring. Basically, giving players options leads to bad gameplay. Who'da thunk it?
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 344	Posted - 2013.07.16 20:42:00 - [5] - Quote Who needs prone when we have the far superior defense - terrain glitching?
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.07.16 21:14:00 - [6] - Quote Prone position, being the most stable shooting platform, to me would be an obvious addition. I would like to think that even though we are functionally immortal, we still could see some advantage in taking a position that reduces our chances at being shot, especially in open terrain.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 120	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:12:00 - [7] - Quote Camping would ensue
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Has my support, it could be imitated by holding down Triangle. Different suits should use more time going into or out of prone, Light doing it fairly easy and HeavyGÇÖs taking a bit more time. Also, mobility should be hampered, making someone slowly twist to be able to look behind.
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 18	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:26:00 - [9] - Quote Yes. This cannot be seen as a bad idea. It makes since. Years into the future has shown me that we are less effective and have worse of military strength then today. So please please let our mercs know basic training! Game mechanically is fine too since it wouldnt be the first FPS to have it. ALSO vaulting makes since too. Just saiyan.:D
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:37:00 - [10] - Quote Also agree on the vaulting, but that might be harder to implement I can imagine. Seeing as it might need some instructions on the map to designate what is a viable obstacle to vault over.

Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 18	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:47:00 - [11] - Quote Reno Pechieu wrote: Also agree on the vaulting, but that might be harder to implement I can imagine. Seeing as it might need some instructions on the map to designate what is a viable obstacle to vault over. just auto vault when sprinting towards an object.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 14	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote prone would be good to avoid LAV if you lay down in the right position
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 18	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:56:00 - [13] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: prone would be good to avoid LAV if you lay down in the right position Just thought about this but what if you jump your character would interact with a LAV and run on the top of it to avoid getting hit. So you can just jump and your guy will not get hit and preform a cool animation..
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote Spirit Charm wrote: Reno Pechieu wrote: Also agree on the vaulting, but that might be harder to implement I can imagine. Seeing as it might need some instructions on the map to designate what is a viable obstacle to vault over. just auto vault when sprinting towards an object. The thing is; what is an object? Seen from the games point of view. We all understand what we perceive is fair, but thatGÇÖs not necessary true for the game to understand If itGÇÖs something thatGÇÖs build into the player movement, then a lot of values needs to be determined: Is a wall an object? Is it vaultable from every side? How low, high, short or long must it be for one to be or not be able to vault over it? Does it need a clearing? Will it commit to a vault if itGÇÖs a drop on the other side? If itGÇÖs build into the map, then thatGÇÖs a lot of extra work for whoever designs the map. This is what I believe they went with in the shooter game Brink, and recalling even then they had plenty of issues with it.
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:01:00 - [15] - Quote Prone probably won't happen, because non-snipers already cry endlessly about not being able to kill snipers with their short-to-mid range weapons. Sure, it's about as stupid as someone complaining that they can't talk to someone in another country by yelling, but someone with a telephone can, but logic isn't the AR Ram-bro's strong suit.
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:10:00 - [16] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Prone probably won't happen, because non-snipers already cry endlessly about not being able to kill snipers with their short-to-mid range weapons. Sure, it's about as stupid as someone complaining that they can't talk to someone in another country by yelling, but someone with a telephone can, but logic isn't the AR Ram-bro's strong suit. When Dust 514 implements stealth modules there are going to be cloaked Sniper-hunters, and a prone sniper with no way to turn fast enough or run away is dead when one creeps up behind.
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:14:00 - [17] - Quote Reno Pechieu wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Prone probably won't happen, because non-snipers already cry endlessly about not being able to kill snipers with their short-to-mid range weapons. Sure, it's about as stupid as someone complaining that they can't talk to someone in another country by yelling, but someone with a telephone can, but logic isn't the AR Ram-bro's strong suit. When Dust 514 implements stealth modules there are going to be cloaked Sniper-hunters, and a prone sniper whit no way to turn fast enough or run away is dead when one creeps up behind. When that time comes, those snipers will be cloaked as well. The smart ones, anyway.
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:18:00 - [18] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Reno Pechieu wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Prone probably won't happen, because non-snipers already cry endlessly about not being able to kill snipers with their short-to-mid range weapons. Sure, it's about as stupid as someone complaining that they can't talk to someone in another country by yelling, but someone with a telephone can, but logic isn't the AR Ram-bro's strong suit. When Dust 514 implements stealth modules there are going to be cloaked Sniper-hunters, and a prone sniper whit no way to turn fast enough or run away is dead when one creeps up behind. When that time comes, those snipers will be cloaked as well. The smart ones, anyway. From what I been lead to believe, it would just make them hard to see, not impossible. Also, Sniper-hunters will likely build their suit to be able to sneak around and detect a sniper once he gets close, while most snipers need to build up damage. Either way, itGÇÖs going to be a cat and mouse game between those two roles and cautious snipers might not always have the safety to lounge in prone.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 155	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:25:00 - [19] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Camping would ensue Never quite understood complaining about camping in an FPS where you respawn in a few seconds.... In Counter Strike camping literally halted rounds for 3-4 minutes at a time while a CT refused to rescue hostages, or a T refused to plant a bomb. The dead players were stuck spectating. In a game like Dust... if someone is camping, and they kill you while doing it, you now know exactly where they are going to be and you could deal with them ridiculously easily with that information. I just don't get it.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2535	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:39:00 - [20] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Reno Pechieu wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: Prone probably won't happen, because non-snipers already cry endlessly about not being able to kill snipers with their short-to-mid range weapons. Sure, it's about as stupid as someone complaining that they can't talk to someone in another country by yelling, but someone with a telephone can, but logic isn't the AR Ram-bro's strong suit. When Dust 514 implements stealth modules there are going to be cloaked Sniper-hunters, and a prone sniper whit no way to turn fast enough or run away is dead when one creeps up behind. When that time comes, those snipers will be cloaked as well. The smart ones, anyway. You can't shoot while cloaked, and sniper shots leave trails through the air. Nemo Bluntz wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Camping would ensue Never quite understood complaining about camping in an FPS where you respawn in a few seconds.... In Counter Strike camping literally halted rounds for 3-4 minutes at a time while a CT refused to rescue hostages, or a T refused to plant a bomb. The dead players were stuck spectating. In a game like Dust... if someone is camping, and they kill you while doing it, you now know exactly where they are going to be and you could deal with them ridiculously easily with that information. I just don't get it. And that's another thing. Camping? Really? You do realize that what can be construed as camping in other shooters is pretty essential to holding critical points on a map and thereby winning fights in this game?

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.07.17 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote I agree... prone would be awsome
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.07.17 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote Now this is the first thread I support Snipers going prone would be awesome lol
TunRa The Vanguardians 3	Posted - 2013.07.17 02:53:00 - [23] - Quote PRONE HEAVYS! DO IT!
Clyffton Donovan Fallen Angels Syndicate 14	Posted - 2013.07.17 04:19:00 - [24] - Quote Ooh, Idea! What if only light suits could go prone.
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 19	Posted - 2013.07.17 04:55:00 - [25] - Quote Reno Pechieu wrote: Spirit Charm wrote: Reno Pechieu wrote: Also agree on the vaulting, but that might be harder to implement I can imagine. Seeing as it might need some instructions on the map to designate what is a viable obstacle to vault over. just auto vault when sprinting towards an object. The thing is; what is an object? Seen from the games point of view. We all understand what we perceive is fair, but thatGÇÖs not necessary true for the game to understand If itGÇÖs something thatGÇÖs build into the player movement, then a lot of values needs to be determined: Is a wall an object? Is it vaultable from every side? How low, high, short or long must it be for one to be or not be able to vault over it? Does it need a clearing? Will it commit to a vault if itGÇÖs a drop on the other side? If itGÇÖs build into the map, then thatGÇÖs a lot of extra work for whoever designs the map. This is what I believe they went with in the shooter game Brink, and recalling even then they had plenty of issues with it. I feel like this things are not an issue. At all. If its about coding then the devs got it. I really feel like your trying to make an issue out of something that doesnt exist.
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 19	Posted - 2013.07.17 05:04:00 - [26] - Quote Camping is a vital part of real life strategy. why do ppl get pissed off when someone does it in a video game?
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 260	Posted - 2013.07.17 05:07:00 - [27] - Quote It will make for devastating counter-sniping.
Leovarian L Lavitz 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 348	Posted - 2013.07.17 07:57:00 - [28] - Quote I wonder what a masshole or flaygod could do to a prone individual who could barely move or turn... or dropship missiles.... Or anything with an explosion radius. Like railguns, or forgeguns omg
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 60	Posted - 2013.07.17 08:05:00 - [29] - Quote Heavies going prone... the lols. Everyone jump on the heavy! Actually from what I've read in previous threads about these type of things is vaulting and sliding are in the works. Going prone seems great but isn't needed. This is supposed to be a fast paced shooter not who is the best at hide and go seek.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2013.07.17 08:57:00 - [30] - Quote I really don't see how mercenaries of the future in these high tech, high damage resisting suits could be going to prone position. It just doesn't seem right.



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