DUST Search - How to Semi fix Dust kart 514

Sev Alcatraz wrote:

Soldiersaint wrote:

Sev Alcatraz wrote:

Well the humble Transport known as the Light attack vehicle is being used as a battering ram for the Lazy and maybe even "unskilled" FPS players

Then comes the Issue of -Nowhere to run
-this can be solved in many ways, adding railings, trenches and barriers that are easily traversed by foot soldiers yet impossible to get over with wheeled vehicles

__HAV's are exempt from this as tracked vehicles can climb over and crawl over obstacles at lower speeds (and you Don't see HAV's running people down__

Damage to vehicles and Infantry
if you hit a 200 LB Armor clad object that is 7 FT tall and 2 1/2 FT at the shoulders at 40 Km/H that should cause significant damage to a light vehicle

-Add Ragdoll physics, upon hitting a target there should not be an instant kill, but the target should be thrown over/to the side of or run over by the vehicle and not die, but be left significantly wounded.

Now, many people think "buff AV to ""Fix"" lavs" but you will inevitably cripple the other classes of vehicles that were previously being slaughtered across the board.

A 25% decrease In the base health to all LAV's, The state LAV's are in right now they remind me of the Canadian built Coyote LAV which has an ANti-tank gun on it and has 8 wheels.

Are LAV's too readily available? A free LAV can run down any Proto suit with it's back turned with no consequence other then the thump they make when they hit the bumper

I was in a match today and managed to just barely fight off 4 LAV's with a flaylock and AV naeds,

first throw your skill out the window...this is war.....there is no skill in war.....you do whatever it takes to win.....of course all try hard sport lovers get on this game and whine when there stupid assault rifle cant kill a lav...since your so good at this game why don't you stop whining and destroy the lav...or you can go back to cod...you wont get run over on that game....because its about fair play and all that trash.....dust 514 and eve are all about absolute victory be any means...that includes the murder taxi....skill into av or don't play the game...im sick and tired of you infantry only whores whining about something thats is actually very weak.. if one or two guys pull out some adv swarms those lavs are finished....again get some av or get out! av nades and a flaylock pistol? of course you could barely fight them off.what idiot takes on lavs with a flaylock pistol and av nades?any guy with a brain in his head will pull out a forge gun or swarms...of course i'm sure your one of those guys who does not want to skill into av.....if thats the case then you deserve to get run over....

I have been here a very, very long time...I have skilled into every class at least once, From the legendary E3 to chrome some i ran everything, I was around for the Rail gun instant win and carpet bombing missiles. I have seen ever il conceived piece of content in this game and i can definitely say I HAVE NEVER PLAYED COD AND NEVER WILL.

I am SPecced into AV and if you have ever gotten out of your LAV and tried to kill a Logi lav with ADV AV nades? the bastards laugh at them and sprint away.

PS. get out of your lav and use a gun you self righteous LAV driving *****

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Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 286	Posted - 2013.07.15 03:37:00 - [1] - Quote Well the humble Transport known as the Light attack vehicle is being used as a battering ram for the Lazy and maybe even "unskilled" FPS players Then comes the Issue of -Nowhere to run -this can be solved in many ways, adding railings, trenches and barriers that are easily traversed by foot soldiers yet impossible to get over with wheeled vehicles __HAV's are exempt from this as tracked vehicles can climb over and crawl over obstacles at lower speeds (and you Don't see HAV's running people down__ Damage to vehicles and Infantry if you hit a 200 LB Armor clad object that is 7 FT tall and 2 1/2 FT at the shoulders at 40 Km/H that should cause significant damage to a light vehicle -Add Ragdoll physics, upon hitting a target there should not be an instant kill, but the target should be thrown over/to the side of or run over by the vehicle and not die, but be left significantly wounded. Now, many people think "buff AV to ""Fix"" lavs" but you will inevitably cripple the other classes of vehicles that were previously being slaughtered across the board. A 25% decrease In the base health to all LAV's, The state LAV's are in right now they remind me of the Canadian built Coyote LAV which has an ANti-tank gun on it and has 8 wheels. Are LAV's too readily available? A free LAV can run down any Proto suit with it's back turned with no consequence other then the thump they make when they hit the bumper I was in a match today and managed to just barely fight off 4 LAV's with a flaylock and AV naeds,
The WindowLicker Backstabbers N Cheaters Union 25	Posted - 2013.07.15 03:40:00 - [2] - Quote I was thinking that CCP could add homing turtle shells and invincibility stars to combat the Karts
da GAND 187. League of Infamy 61	Posted - 2013.07.15 03:41:00 - [3] - Quote Hey this looks pretty good.
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 39	Posted - 2013.07.15 04:19:00 - [4] - Quote I want to kill the A*hle on my side who keeps running over his own people. This has made me so f***ng angry.
Slen Kaleth XCOM ENEMY UNKNOWN 8	Posted - 2013.07.15 04:20:00 - [5] - Quote Take away the incentives, no more free LAVs and only get 25 WP for an impact kill instead of the full 50.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 557	Posted - 2013.07.15 04:22:00 - [6] - Quote All anti LAV threads will be directed at CCP Blam!, for he created them.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 287	Posted - 2013.07.15 04:36:00 - [7] - Quote Blam is a babbling fool who is hiding from the problems he has created, It is easier for him to turn a blind eye then try and find a solution and keep the community happy. If i was a Dev of Dust and looked at the forums and seen 50 threads all about the same thing i would make a public announcement asking the community how they would solve it then i would look at how I would solve it and try and meet a cross roads instead of ``lets change a whole bunch of numbers and see what happens``
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 125	Posted - 2013.07.15 06:36:00 - [8] - Quote I like the free LAV spam. It's basically free points since I can one shot them with my FG.
Sgt Buttscratch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 493	Posted - 2013.07.15 07:11:00 - [9] - Quote they should make them be fords, then they'd have 50 % chance of breaking down, 20% chance spontanious combustion. and turn vehicle ram kills into assists(25wp)
Upper Deckin Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:38:00 - [10] - Quote -1 Play any game with vehicles , your gonna get run over . Go play a cod game if your worried about losing your proto and want to just shoot plp .

Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 292	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:44:00 - [11] - Quote Upper Deckin wrote: -1 Play any game with vehicles , you're gonna get run over . Go play a cod game if you're worried about losing your proto and want to just shoot plp . With the frequency of Hit and runs in dust something needs to change, when i play battlefield i am never run over, because its hard to run people over in battlefield. Now you are probably an LAV driver and would like to keep up getting your Instant kills with the only threat to you being AV you my good sir and a low life.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 102	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:07:00 - [12] - Quote Upper Deckin wrote: -1 Play any game with vehicles , your gonna get run over . Go play a cod game if your worried about losing your proto and want to just shoot plp . Damn, dude. You immediately strike me as someone who will defend CCP at any turn for any of their clearly broken game mechanics. 'go play cod or htfu' is the battle cry of the fanboy.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 331	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:12:00 - [13] - Quote agree. LAVs need to take damage, and people hit by them should be both hurt and thrown, and perhaps have to go through a getting-up animation.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 201	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:12:00 - [14] - Quote personally I think murder taxi is a viable tactic and has a viable counter measure ( AV) you don't like it then you should remove tanks as well.... that being said, CCP BLAM is a useless tool who if im not mistaken we haven't heard from since may and should at most least be removed from the head of the vehicle dept. if not fired out right for being useless and unresponsive to the community.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 664	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:23:00 - [15] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: agree. LAVs need to take damage, and people hit by them should be both hurt and thrown, and perhaps have to go through a getting-up animation. IMHO, there also needs to be a getting in and getting out animation for all the vehicles. I've seen too many people running around in heavies with LAVs driving right up next to someone, hopping out, WTFPWNing them with their HMG and then speeding off. I assume they are doing this because of the "push button->Appear in vehicle" we currently have. If they had to worry about getting all shot up while getting into and out of the vehicles, I doubt it would be so rampant. I also agree with the idea of throwing people when hitting them with LAVs. There should eventually be a full physics suite for vehicle interactions.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 293	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:25:00 - [16] - Quote Blam is a fool and should be demoted to coffee makeing duty (he would probably fuk that up too)
Eero Vesisaari Bullet Cluster 5	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:30:00 - [17] - Quote I agree with the original post here. LLAVs have become a severe detriment to what I humbly believe is the intended flow of the game. LLAVs are operating way outside their intended role, making Dust in general a negative experience for a huge portion of the player base (any infantry-only player). There sounds like a few ways it can be "fixed" or "corrected" - my only hope is CCP gives this a very hard look. For myself and several other players I usually run with, this specific issue is killing the "fun factor" and we're seeing the issue contribute greatly to players only logging on to cap out - if at all. This vid is pretty hilarious to watch, but sadly represents what the game is becoming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCJ1ca1Ysh4
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 572	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:33:00 - [18] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: Take away the incentives, no more free LAVs and only get 25 WP for an impact kill instead of the full 50. I dont care if I get no points for ramming mercs. You could give me -ve wp and ill still carry on going up to 27/0 in my chabby or limby.
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War 2363	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:33:00 - [19] - Quote Stopped at "humble transport" Dropships are transports, LAVs are well... light attack vehicles. They do hit-and-run attacks and support infantry. While that was intended to be done with the turret, I guess the bumper works too.
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War 2363	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:34:00 - [20] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: Take away the incentives, no more free LAVs and only get 25 WP for an impact kill instead of the full 50. Hey look! Even less WP for non-HAV drivers!

Poonmunch Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 90	Posted - 2013.07.15 15:45:00 - [21] - Quote I think they could do a few simple alterations to the mechanic for LAVs. 1. Make the LAVs harder to turn over once they flip. No auto flipping. Flipping should take at least 10 seconds. 2. Autokill the LAV and passengers if they drop off one of those super tall buildings. 3. More damage to LAV and passengers for driving off lower buildings. 4. More damage to LAVs and passengers of they hit immovable objects like buildings or turrets. 5. Trees and boulders. My two cents, Munch
LT Dans Legs Bullet Cluster 144	Posted - 2013.07.15 17:37:00 - [22] - Quote Or just make them not able to hurt infantry at all if they try to run them over. Of course half the player count would quit playin cuz thats the ONLY way they can kill anyone. Efin poonannies. Wait, no, they would just snipe I suppose.
BLKDG ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 11	Posted - 2013.07.15 17:44:00 - [23] - Quote My forge eats lavs My av nades make you boom Teamate loves his wiki whatever missles... Spawn those lavs in Nomnomnkm
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 172	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:30:00 - [24] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Well the humble Transport known as the Light attack vehicle is being used as a battering ram for the Lazy and maybe even "unskilled" FPS players Then comes the Issue of -Nowhere to run -this can be solved in many ways, adding railings, trenches and barriers that are easily traversed by foot soldiers yet impossible to get over with wheeled vehicles __HAV's are exempt from this as tracked vehicles can climb over and crawl over obstacles at lower speeds (and you Don't see HAV's running people down__ Damage to vehicles and Infantry if you hit a 200 LB Armor clad object that is 7 FT tall and 2 1/2 FT at the shoulders at 40 Km/H that should cause significant damage to a light vehicle -Add Ragdoll physics, upon hitting a target there should not be an instant kill, but the target should be thrown over/to the side of or run over by the vehicle and not die, but be left significantly wounded. Now, many people think "buff AV to ""Fix"" lavs" but you will inevitably cripple the other classes of vehicles that were previously being slaughtered across the board. A 25% decrease In the base health to all LAV's, The state LAV's are in right now they remind me of the Canadian built Coyote LAV which has an ANti-tank gun on it and has 8 wheels. Are LAV's too readily available? A free LAV can run down any Proto suit with it's back turned with no consequence other then the thump they make when they hit the bumper I was in a match today and managed to just barely fight off 4 LAV's with a flaylock and AV naeds, first throw your skill out the window...this is war.....there is no skill in war.....you do whatever it takes to win.....of course all tryhard sport lovers get on this game and whine when there stupid assault rifle cant kill a lav...since your so good at this game why dont you stop whining and destroy the lav...or you can go back to cod...you wont get run over on that game....because its about fairplay and all that trash.....dust 514 and eve are all about absolute victory be any means...that includes the murder taxi....skill into av or dont play the game...im sick and tired of you infantry only whores whining about something thats is actually very weak.. if one or two guys pull out some adv swarms those lavs are finished....again get some av or get out! av nades and a flaylock pistol? of course you could barely fight them off.what idiot takes on lavs with a flaylock pistol and av nades?any guy with a brain in his head will pull out a forge gun or swarms...of course im sure your one of those guys who does not want to skill into av.....if thats the case then you deserve to get run over....
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 295	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:01:00 - [25] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Well the humble Transport known as the Light attack vehicle is being used as a battering ram for the Lazy and maybe even "unskilled" FPS players Then comes the Issue of -Nowhere to run -this can be solved in many ways, adding railings, trenches and barriers that are easily traversed by foot soldiers yet impossible to get over with wheeled vehicles __HAV's are exempt from this as tracked vehicles can climb over and crawl over obstacles at lower speeds (and you Don't see HAV's running people down__ Damage to vehicles and Infantry if you hit a 200 LB Armor clad object that is 7 FT tall and 2 1/2 FT at the shoulders at 40 Km/H that should cause significant damage to a light vehicle -Add Ragdoll physics, upon hitting a target there should not be an instant kill, but the target should be thrown over/to the side of or run over by the vehicle and not die, but be left significantly wounded. Now, many people think "buff AV to ""Fix"" lavs" but you will inevitably cripple the other classes of vehicles that were previously being slaughtered across the board. A 25% decrease In the base health to all LAV's, The state LAV's are in right now they remind me of the Canadian built Coyote LAV which has an ANti-tank gun on it and has 8 wheels. Are LAV's too readily available? A free LAV can run down any Proto suit with it's back turned with no consequence other then the thump they make when they hit the bumper I was in a match today and managed to just barely fight off 4 LAV's with a flaylock and AV naeds, first throw your skill out the window...this is war.....there is no skill in war.....you do whatever it takes to win.....of course all try hard sport lovers get on this game and whine when there stupid assault rifle cant kill a lav...since your so good at this game why don't you stop whining and destroy the lav...or you can go back to cod...you wont get run over on that game....because its about fair play and all that trash.....dust 514 and eve are all about absolute victory be any means...that includes the murder taxi....skill into av or don't play the game...im sick and tired of you infantry only whores whining about something thats is actually very weak.. if one or two guys pull out some adv swarms those lavs are finished....again get some av or get out! av nades and a flaylock pistol? of course you could barely fight them off.what idiot takes on lavs with a flaylock pistol and av nades?any guy with a brain in his head will pull out a forge gun or swarms...of course i'm sure your one of those guys who does not want to skill into av.....if thats the case then you deserve to get run over.... I have been here a very, very long time...I have skilled into every class at least once, From the legendary E3 to chrome some i ran everything, I was around for the Rail gun instant win and carpet bombing missiles. I have seen ever il conceived piece of content in this game and i can definitely say I HAVE NEVER PLAYED COD AND NEVER WILL. I am SPecced into AV and if you have ever gotten out of your LAV and tried to kill a Logi lav with ADV AV nades? the bastards laugh at them and sprint away. PS. get out of your lav and use a gun you self righteous LAV driving *****
dazlb72 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 36	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:03:00 - [26] - Quote The WindowLicker wrote: I was thinking that CCP could add homing turtle shells and invincibility stars to combat the Karts don't forget banana skins
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 146	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:09:00 - [27] - Quote The WindowLicker wrote: I was thinking that CCP could add homing turtle shells and invincibility stars to combat the Karts Ya the red ones not the crappy green ones. But seriously this all revolves around poor map design, other games have more barriers and terrain and maps that really aren't practical for jeeps all over the place. Other games can limit what vehicles are on which maps but since CCP cannot then good map design is a MUST.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 173	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:12:00 - [28] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Well the humble Transport known as the Light attack vehicle is being used as a battering ram for the Lazy and maybe even "unskilled" FPS players Then comes the Issue of -Nowhere to run -this can be solved in many ways, adding railings, trenches and barriers that are easily traversed by foot soldiers yet impossible to get over with wheeled vehicles __HAV's are exempt from this as tracked vehicles can climb over and crawl over obstacles at lower speeds (and you Don't see HAV's running people down__ Damage to vehicles and Infantry if you hit a 200 LB Armor clad object that is 7 FT tall and 2 1/2 FT at the shoulders at 40 Km/H that should cause significant damage to a light vehicle -Add Ragdoll physics, upon hitting a target there should not be an instant kill, but the target should be thrown over/to the side of or run over by the vehicle and not die, but be left significantly wounded. Now, many people think "buff AV to ""Fix"" lavs" but you will inevitably cripple the other classes of vehicles that were previously being slaughtered across the board. A 25% decrease In the base health to all LAV's, The state LAV's are in right now they remind me of the Canadian built Coyote LAV which has an ANti-tank gun on it and has 8 wheels. Are LAV's too readily available? A free LAV can run down any Proto suit with it's back turned with no consequence other then the thump they make when they hit the bumper I was in a match today and managed to just barely fight off 4 LAV's with a flaylock and AV naeds, first throw your skill out the window...this is war.....there is no skill in war.....you do whatever it takes to win.....of course all try hard sport lovers get on this game and whine when there stupid assault rifle cant kill a lav...since your so good at this game why don't you stop whining and destroy the lav...or you can go back to cod...you wont get run over on that game....because its about fair play and all that trash.....dust 514 and eve are all about absolute victory be any means...that includes the murder taxi....skill into av or don't play the game...im sick and tired of you infantry only whores whining about something thats is actually very weak.. if one or two guys pull out some adv swarms those lavs are finished....again get some av or get out! av nades and a flaylock pistol? of course you could barely fight them off.what idiot takes on lavs with a flaylock pistol and av nades?any guy with a brain in his head will pull out a forge gun or swarms...of course i'm sure your one of those guys who does not want to skill into av.....if thats the case then you deserve to get run over.... I have been here a very, very long time...I have skilled into every class at least once, From the legendary E3 to chrome some i ran everything, I was around for the Rail gun instant win and carpet bombing missiles. I have seen ever il conceived piece of content in this game and i can definitely say I HAVE NEVER PLAYED COD AND NEVER WILL. I am SPecced into AV and if you have ever gotten out of your LAV and tried to kill a Logi lav with ADV AV nades? the bastards laugh at them and sprint away. PS. get out of your lav and use a gun you self righteous LAV driving *** I do use guns im also specced into av....i drive in lavs because its smarter than running and dancing with a freaking assault rifle.. who are you to tell me not to use a lav...I USE A LAV BECAUSE I FREAKING WANT TO....YOU WANT TO PLAY STUPID INFANTRY THATS FINE.....I WANT TO USE THE LAV.......this game is all about choice,.... you chose your infantry...i chose vehicles.....use a gun?.....HOW ABOUT YOU STOP USING YOUR GUN AND GET IN A LAV YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS INFANTRY ***. you gun only players will never be able to enjoy this game NEVER! vehicles are the future of dust not your freaking guns
semperfi1999 Internal Error. League of Infamy 666	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:15:00 - [29] - Quote At this point I say..........................make is such that the only way to kill someone with an LAV is to squish them between your vehicle and an object. Any other hits in the open against infantry will damage shields and cause the infantry to get hit into the air and then land. Remember we are in dropsuits that can be launched from FREAKIN SPACE!!! and land on a planet unharmed....its rediculous to think that a hit from an LAV would be enough to kill you after you survived a planetary drop.
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.07.15 21:22:00 - [30] - Quote I think if you get hit by a murder taxi, your total HP should be taken from the LAV (or maybe just your HP in armor, since shields don't increase your merc's overall mass. So, if an LAV mows down a heavy with 400+ HP armor, it would do around that much damage to the LAV. It makes sense physically...if you hit something in your car, it's gonna do damage to your vehicle. If you hit a large object, it will do more damage than if you were to hit a smaller object. I think implementing a system like this would cut down on the people who spawn LAV's for the sole purpose of running players down, because the drivers themselves would be putting themselves at risk after a short while. BTW, I know this theory has been brought up before, I just felt like reiterating.



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