Biggest question: how CCP will manage to put 10 lows on the fitting screen without redoing it to be more like the eve version.

Hmmm...4 local PG expansions, 3 surges, 2 heavy extenders, 2 reppers, 3 ward amps...oh my god that thing would be unkillable
Give me. NOW.


But yes, that is how proto HAVs should look. I can't even imagine the price, though.

But yes, that is how proto HAVs should look. I can't even imagine the price, though.

people would still take it into pubs and punish scrubs with it.

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You mean vehicles users would be able to proto pubstomp and thats unfair because only tryhard AR scrubs should be allowed to proto pub stomp

Imagine trying to learn to tank in a game were there are people like us with enough SP and ISK to run these types of tanks all day.

They would never live long enough to learn how to tank.

It isn't all about the infantry.

BS and you know it

We aint always in these games

Half the ppl i see with tanks roll ambush with enforcers and get wrecked in skirmish plus tankers are a small minority when compared to tryhards and ther AR plus proto vehicle will cost alot more to get into

What about ppl learning to point and shoot with an AR wouldnt being proto pub stomped by tryhard AR users hinder them because they cant kill them? no because you still see milita fits etc being used even if the other team proto stomps

You cannot balance with ISK.

So, so, SO true!

It is absolutely not how proto HAV's should look, and no matter how much it would cost, people would still take it into pubs and punish scrubs with it.

I have close to a billion ISK spread out among my alts. My corp isn't really involved in PC, and I have SP to spare. There is nothing stopping me from just casually throwing those types of whips at the unprepared masses.

And when Eve to Dust ISK transfers come in, I will be able to give my self hundreds of billions. I will be able to run those types of tanks all day, every day. With zero concern about my bank balance.

You cannot balance with ISK.

Imagine trying to learn to tank in a game were there are people like us with enough SP and ISK to run these types of tanks all day.

They would never live long enough to learn how to tank.

It isn't all about the infantry.

So i had a look at dropsuits from basic and skipped to proto

What i realised is that the CPU/PG values are doubled, whiel the slots themselves are nearly doubled on the majority of suits

Example - Caldari basic frame is 2H/2L and the proto basic is 4H/3L but with the logi its basic 2H/2L to proto 5H/4L and thats not including 3 equip slots and 1 nade and 1 primary no sidearm

Bonus is if you have sidearm you dont have to use it or the nade/equip slot, vehicle wise all turrets slots need to be filled and we dont have rigs yet or never tbh and we need to use all slots up for the tanks anyways

But with some suits you get 1 or 2 less slots or they put extra slots in a different area so amarr logi gets a sidearm slot or like proto heavy they have 1 high slot but 4 low

So with this in mind we can roughly guess to what it maybe for a vehicle if we just double it all

Madrugar - 210 CPU, 2700PG, 2H/5L, 3turret slots - mandatory filled

So if we just doubled it - 420CPU, 5400PG, 4H/10L, 3 turret slots

Now of course entire forums and anyone running AV or infantry will cry OP at the very rough idea of this proto tank which would easily be able to fit on 2 180plates, 2 heavy reppers, 3 resist mods, PG expansion, light repper, maybe damage mod or 2 and thats not including the high slots which you can whack on a scanner/DCII/MCRU/HS/Shield ext or booster or whatever you can put in ther while having proto turrets and laughing in a pub game while you proto stomp and vehicle drivers get to feel what its like to proto pub stomp

But if we looked at the most advanced tank we had tanking wise the Surya, it was 3H/5L but we gained an extra slot in a kinda useless area, the extra slot was useable on the Sagaris

But in general when looking at advanced and proto the dropsuits generally gain slots on both high and low or they remove a slot and add it to a more useful area ie proto heavy low slow

So really the Surya/Sagaris should have another slot added so they are 3H/6L and reverse for Sagaris

So we add another 2 slots for the tank above the Surya and Sagaris and it would be 4H/7L and reverse for Sagaris which doesnt look as OP as the original double it up 4H/10L proto tank idea


Looking and using the same system for DS and LAVs they could be 8H/4L for the shield versions if we just doubled it up from basic like the dropsuits but using the surya/sagaris as a guide generally they may only gain 1 slot in a useless area but if they gained a high and low slot then its more like 6H/4L for shield varients, armor LAV would be 5H/5L and armor DS would be reverse of shield


In general proto vehicle wise im at least hoping for an extra slot for both high and low for each one up so advanced is increased by 2 slots from basic and proto would be 4 slots from basic with relevent PG/CPU increases to make use of them slots, plsu the ability to finally run without any turrets or even the ability to put a small turret in the big turret slot because why not

You cannot balance with ISK.

im pretty sure 5 slots is the highest they can go so no 6high/low slots.
so equipment(or maybe medium slots are to come, LOL yea right standard HAVs are meant to be proto and the rest are step downs that should never ever be used because it is easier on CCP)

Oh so like in Chromosome.e where I was getting wrecked on the daily by Saggys in my sic a and gunlogi for 3 straight months? I did fine after i figured out tanking and so did the rest of us. You have yet to give solid numbers to support what you want or even describe with numbers what you want.

I learned in Chromosome to, so don't try and cry to me about it. The tanks that English is asking for are MUCH stronger than any Surya or Sagaris. On my heavy, during Chromo, I can recall having to take a DS to the redline with two proto forge guns to actually down a tank. That was when FG's could shoot 600m. You guys want more than that, which would very much unbalance the game.

I haven't made a list of demands, or specified what I want. I am not a game designer, and I am not filled to the brim with information about what CCP has planned long term for the game.

I give them feedback off of what they give us, which is why I have been trying to get Devs involved in our discussion more than playing nice with the other tankers while you guys cry for huge buffs.

The more I think about it, you guys can get your 8 low 4 high Gallente tanks, provided CCP creates a low SP class Tank Destroyer. Fixed Gun, ultra high damage, great mobility. Unlocks beside the standard tanks. That way, for a total investment of less than say 6 million SP, someone would be able to ultrakill your 30 million ISK 15 million SP super tank.

Or how about this, since it is a much more reasonable request:

Remove or severely reduce the movement penalty on Enforcers. Do that and they instantly become more relevant to the battle field. Sure they would be a little softer, but the extra damage and range is a more than fair trade off.

I learned in Chromosome to, so don't try and cry to me about it. The tanks that English is asking for are MUCH stronger than any Surya or Sagaris. On my heavy, during Chromo, I can recall having to take a DS to the redline with two proto forge guns to actually down a tank. That was when FG's could shoot 600m. You guys want more than that, which would very much unbalance the game.

I haven't made a list of demands, or specified what I want. I am not a game designer, and I am not filled to the brim with information about what CCP has planned long term for the game.

I give them feedback off of what they give us, which is why I have been trying to get Devs involved in our discussion more than playing nice with the other tankers while you guys cry for huge buffs.

The more I think about it, you guys can get your 8 low 4 high Gallente tanks, provided CCP creates a low SP class Tank Destroyer. Fixed Gun, ultra high damage, great mobility. Unlocks beside the standard tanks. That way, for a total investment of less than say 6 million SP, someone would be able to ultrakill your 30 million ISK 15 million SP super tank.

Or how about this, since it is a much more reasonable request:

Remove or severely reduce the movement penalty on Enforcers. Do that and they instantly become more relevant to the battle field. Sure they would be a little softer, but the extra damage and range is a more than fair trade off.

Snake, last paragraph in the op. That is you asking for a 9 low slot armor tank.

At this point I am just going to stop coming into these threads.

90% of the so called tankers do nothing but cry.

I hope they buff tanks just for you.

Then I hope they nerf hammer them to near uselessness.

Hopefully then you guys can learn to tone down your requests.

I didn't avoid anything, the difference between 9 or 10 slots is minuscule.

HAVs are not dropsuits. Why do they have to function the same way for tiers?

Stop acting like a 5 year old.

I didn't avoid anything, the difference between 9 or 10 slots is minuscule.

HAVs are not dropsuits. Why do they have to function the same way for tiers?

Stop acting like a 5 year old.

Comparing dropsuits against vehicles is foolish.

Should infantry demand armor and shield hardeners?

Heavy suits need nitrous don't they?

Enjoy those AV nades when everyone has unlimited ammo.

Keep crying for OP stuff, just makes you look like a scrub.