Oh shut up. Stay off the front lines scrub. You hit harder.

If you're not hitting harder find the damage mods.

powergrid is too weak. Low slots are used to extend the power grid.

The power grid is only too low when you try to fit proto or the high pg advanced rail.

vehicle shield energizer module, wih it i would battle with armor tanks.

Nope, just a neutron blaster.

That's odd, because I didn't have a problem fitting a standard blastet

Oh shut up. Stay off the front lines scrub. You hit harder.

You should know better considering who your alt is ... you run shield tanks like myself and also I knkw you dont have problems popi g less skilled pilots in maddys but I garuntee if you came up agai st me I a maddy with you in a gunlogi I would decimate you many times over . If we met in shield vrs shield it would be 50/50 if we met In armour it would be 50/50 if you had your maddy and I had my gunlogi it would be 70/30 in your favour simply because of how underpowerd shield tanks are against armour tanks.

Gotta balance how **** us Armour Infantry guys have it compared to you Shield tanking SOB's. I've been waiting since Chromosome for armour to get good.....you can wait, get to the back of the line.

If you're not hitting harder find the damage mods.

Half of the people whine because their tanks get blown up so fast, the others whine about invincible tanks. I guess this means it's perfectly balanced.

okay, for shield tanks to be viable again, they need to be the glass cannons of Chromosome- that means stacking 3 damage mods and maxing out turret skills to lvl 5 brings a 50% damage bonus. they HAVE to be able to do more damage at range than an armor tank can possibly rep/tank against. pretty much, they have to 2-shot just about everything like they used to. not popular, i know, but until that, or we get a 100hp/sec recharge, shield tanks will never be viable tank killers at any range.

Half of the people whine because their tanks get blown up so fast, the others whine about invincible tanks. I guess this means it's perfectly balanced.

tanks are only there for noobs to be impressed by.

there is no way currently to balance the tanks, and you don't make enough per match to pay for one. math is fun.

Caldari design leans heavily on missiles and long range railguns. Try equipping a missile turret on your tank, see what happens. All your powergrid issues suddenly disappear. I fly a Python and consistently note that missile shield tanks are harder to kill than railgun/blaster shield tanks. Now your problem is that large missile turrets are a little underpowered. Also, it'd be nice if accelerated missiles went as far as large turret installations can shoot them (aka forever).

okay, for shield tanks to be viable again, they need to be the glass cannons of Chromosome- that means stacking 3 damage mods and maxing out turret skills to lvl 5 brings a 50% damage bonus. they HAVE to be able to do more damage at range than an armor tank can possibly rep/tank against. pretty much, they have to 2-shot just about everything like they used to. not popular, i know, but until that, or we get a 100hp/sec recharge, shield tanks will never be viable tank killers at any range.

CCP recently stated that they were looking at balancig shield vs armor tanking for vehicles.

Expect a terrible "rebalance" sometime within the next few years.

Also, who wants to bet that one of the very few things that CCP will do for shield vehicles is add that new shield hardener that was accidentally published with the Saga II?

70% resists for 8 seconds with a 3 minute cooldown. Go home CCP, you're drunk.

Ccp isn't paying attention to tanks at all... Still waiting on the shield buff... Getting REAL tired of the "invincibility" module on the armor tanks. (also known as a armor rep). It's got a faster cooldown, and is waaay stronger than anything shield tanks have.

Also, a rep tool for infantry to work on Shields.
also, Shield tanks speed?
Also, along with the other things, armor has more hp.

Shield tanks most certainly, do NOT hit harder. And even if they did. It's not strong enough to go thru the armor rep a madrauger. makes a neutron blaster null.

Just make the shield reps just as good as armor.it'd be that simple.

ok, i run both maddies and logis with the exact same amount of SP into each.

Shield tanks are underpowered when compared to armor tanks because their reppers have a 10(30):30 cycle, and armor has a 60(25):15 cycle.

Also, armor reppers will rep over 6000 in a cycle, where shield tanks will rep 1500 (these are approximations)

Even with stacked damage mods, a shield tank will not kill an armor tank UNLESS it is a falchion with proto cycled missiles, with 3 dmagae mods, and enforcer prof lvl 5.

As long as the armor tank has reppers and hardeners going, the blaster will do more damage to the shield tank (even with reppers and hardeners on) than the shield tank can rep- therefore, the armor tank will almost every time, providing the skill is the same, ad the armor tank isnt using missiles.

Let's not forget that the armor tank, due to its speed, gets to choose the terms of engagement, provided his is not ambushed by a falchion (fitted as recently described)


For shield tanks to be viable, damage mods will have to give a 20% dmg bonus with no stacking penalty (like in chromosome), passive turret damage will again need to be 5%/lvl, and passive regen needs to be 100hp/s on shield tanks. Only then can shield tanks be viable in PC, and not a waste of money.

I've played PC against some great shield tankers and beat them 90% of the time bc i deploy a maddy to counter them. They have some of the best tactics ive ever seen and still lose, even when im playing like an idiot, just because all i need to do is sttand still, turn on all hardeners and reppers, while i carefully aim my shots at them. it is completely no-skill-required kind of thing. shield tanks need buff. the end.

shield tanks have passive recharge something armor don't get at all.

I once encountered a very skilled Madrugar pilot while I was in my Falchion. I positioned myself at the bottom of a very small incline and he came thundering out from above. Since I could aim upwards and hit him while he couldn't aim down with his blaster to hit me, I pulled off a couple salvos of proto accelerated missiles before he started shooting at me.

I get him down to very low armor, such that I would need only one more full salvo to hit and he was dead, and I was at roughly 1/2 shields. But the inevitable happened and only two of my missiles hit on the next salvo. His god-mode repper brought him back to life from near death and I started moving in the bumpy terrain so that I could get below his maximum angle of depression.

Lucky for me, I managed to get below his maximum turret depression angle which saved me about a second. I shoot 2 or 3 more salvos into him and he finally gets destroyed, and I am left with maybe 1/5 shields. My adrenaline was running throughout the entire battle.

There are a couple of things that I would like to point out that should not be happening. First, I was in an extremely close ranged engagement where only the terrain helped me win, otherwise I would've lost. I had already previously encountered him at range, but it only gave my position away and the difficulties with hitting a target at range prevented me from placing accurate hits. I was already burning in reverse and he figured that if he came charging at me he would've lost, so he pulled back and escaped with some scratches.

Second, it should not take a Falchion and local terrain to barely beat a Madrugar. I would rather it be a Gunnlogi and local terrain to barely beat a Madrugar at close range and a Gunnlogi to easily destroy a Madrugar at range without allowing the Madrugar time to escape. Without any terrain advantageous to the Gunnlogi pilot, a Madrugar should defeat the Gunnlogi at close range.

Oh shut up. Stay off the front lines scrub. You hit harder.

Ccp isn't paying attention to tanks at all... Still waiting on the shield buff... Getting REAL tired of the "invincibility" module on the armor tanks. (also known as a armor rep). It's got a faster cooldown, and is waaay stronger than anything shield tanks have.

Also, a rep tool for infantry to work on Shields.
also, Shield tanks speed?
Also, along with the other things, armor has more hp.

Ccp isn't paying attention to tanks at all... Still waiting on the shield buff... Getting REAL tired of the "invincibility" module on the armor tanks. (also known as a armor rep). It's got a faster cooldown, and is waaay stronger than anything shield tanks have.

Also, a rep tool for infantry to work on Shields.
also, Shield tanks speed?
Also, along with the other things, armor has more hp.

havent read past OP.


I feel you! CCP doesn't care about much (the only exception is Caldari Assaults and AR's) they balance based on the majority of DUST's playerbase (again Caldari Assaults and AR's) so CCP's nerfing everything that can beat AR's in 1 - 1!!!!! stat assaults without AV hate vehicles and want them nerfed... they want heavies nerfed to have less HP (not certain if they still want this nerf seeing how I see alot of Cal logis with more hp than a mlt heavy), scouts they got nerfed to have no speed (unless speed tanked... but assaults and logis can do it better with more stamina) CCP takes away the bone to any thing that can beat that Cal assault, next is logis (they do need it but we all know its going to be overkill than we'll get another respec)


in short CCP only likes Cal Assaults. R.I.P. CoD 514