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Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:42:00 -
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Yeah, cause this game isn't predictable at all.
*Joins game*
*Assault Rifle kills flood the killfeed* |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
157
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Yes the whole 4-5 hour long games have put me off single player modes completely now, it's just like a really short film that's far too easy so for me the actual challenging gaming part rarely exists anymore, I'm going to try last of us but it looks fat to dramatical and I felt like cringing when I saw the advert, it was far too touching it sermed Um, if you don't like serious games, do not get the last of us. No joke, it's the most violent game I've ever played. It feels so real. The game has almost no happy moments, the whole thing is depressing, it has maybe one or two scenes of humor, everything is is all sad and serious stuff. It took me nearly 15 hours to beat though, and it's fun to replay, the multiplayer is fun too, it's something different compared to most games out there and it has a cool metagame attached to it. |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:49:00 -
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And in recent news atari just aquired bungie |
Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:56:00 -
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It is better to cooperate than it is to compete.
Just imagine what life in general would look like today if people worked together instead of against each other.
We'd probably have Mars colonized already.
But instead we compete and waste money making huge bombs, airplanes and tanks, etc. Just to try to be better than the other guy and using violence as the means to prove it.
Co-op is better for your soul.
Seriously, if America didn't have to worry about spending on military to "defend itself". What would it be spending that money on instead? Advancing mankind.
Nukes do not advance mankind. Jet Fighters do not advance mankind. Aircraft Carriers do not advance mankind. Submarines, Destroyers, Guns, Bullets, Spying, Intelligence Agencies.
Seeing as how gaming is a direct line to future generations, and gaming is basically the babysitter of future generations.... It's the best place to start on the notion of cooperation rather than competition. |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:12:00 -
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Sir Eos wrote:It is better to cooperate than it is to compete.
Just imagine what life in general would look like today if people worked together instead of against each other.
We'd probably have Mars colonized already.
But instead we compete and waste money making huge bombs, airplanes and tanks, etc. Just to try to be better than the other guy and using violence as the means to prove it.
Co-op is better for your soul.
Seriously, if America didn't have to worry about spending on military to "defend itself". What would it be spending that money on instead? Advancing mankind.
Nukes do not advance mankind. Jet Fighters do not advance mankind. Aircraft Carriers do not advance mankind. Submarines, Destroyers, Guns, Bullets, Spying, Intelligence Agencies.
Seeing as how gaming is a direct line of communication to future generations (gaming is basically the babysitter of future generations). It's the best place to start on the notion of cooperation rather than competition.
Life isn't fair.... You know why?
Because you've all been raised up to be pricks. Because you follow this.... "He who dies with the most toys, wins"
Nothing could be further from the truth. But are the Americans the only ones at fault, people won't abandon those notions they're too deeply ingrained into our culture look nobody is fully right. This isn't just do what I say and the world will be butterfies and flowers. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
45
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:13:00 -
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Senator your actually the idiot assuming I came here for high fives, that just reflects on your mentality and no if I had a d d the short easy games would actually appeal to me, gtfo lol |
Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:30:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Sir Eos wrote:
Nothing could be further from the truth.
But are the Americans the only ones at fault, people won't abandon those notions they're too deeply ingrained into our culture look nobody is fully right. This isn't just do what I say and the world will be butterfies and flowers.
The point is...
CCP has made a game that takes the most detrimental aspects of life.... The aspects of life that actually hold life back. Then Magnifies it. And makes it a game meant to be "Enjoyable"
There is something wrong there.
Now CCP isn't the only one who does this..
But nobody takes it to the extreme that I see in a game like EVE and Dust.
No other game out there encourages things like, stealing time from another player.
It's bad enough that without the PVP aspect of EVE/Dust. it's just a huge time sink.... Where a person is either waiting for a skill to train or grinding on an asteroid or both.
Its worse when the entire PVP aspect revolves soley around the idea of "Stealing" that time from other players. That's where the "Enjoyment" factor is focused. And I've seen more than enough proof of it from the people in this forum.
Then you get certain corps who are proud of following a set of rules in which they... fight in such a way, as to suck all enjoyment away from the other players in an attempt, to make them not want to even bother logging in to play.
Then you get my brief experience (About a week in) with the game in which I was griefed out of nowhere just attempting to explore a blackhole.
And not a single word from the person who attacked me either. It was a fighter, outfitted with weapons of war vs my mining vessel outfitted for mining. That is not what I call good PVP. That is just straight up being a prick for no reason. I don't care how you justify it with your "It's New Eden, HTFU" It's being a prick, plain and simple. There was no challenge to that confrontation. So I don't see how it could have been enjoyable for you or me. Unless the enjoyment comes simply from the fact that you were a prick so some completely random stranger you had just met.
It all paints a pretty clear picture that you have to be some kind of scum sucking loser to give CCP money to keep this shithole of a franchise afloat, just so you can practice being a prick. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:58:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:I'm not saying it's just FPS. I've always preferred playing alone than against people. I like stories, that's why I like RPGs so much. You'll find that's how it was mostly. Then it seems, here comes 2007. Modern Warfare, what's single player?
SP has been screwed over by so many games lately for multiplayer, I think there needs to be more single player games, and not 4-5 hour things like COD or BF.
And maybe Iron Wolf... maybe. I've played a LOT of RPGs. The best one always had pvp or pvevp as the endgame.
Why spend x amount of hours training your skills to max? To take one the hardest monsters? Any smart player will beat monters 2-3 levels ahead of them anyways. Once you max, other maxed players are the only way to test your skill. Horde mechanics are fun but my team even got bored with those quick. The equation is pretty easy to figure out. You know what's fun? Trying to take a horde from another group of players. Some of us made a RL living off of it and still occasionally failed. Real players are the only competition for some of us.
Btw, this isn't new. I was doing this in 2001 |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:04:00 -
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What RPGs you did you PvP in? What are you playing MMOs? I'm talking about games like Skyrim, Fallout, Oblivion, etc... More classic games too like JRPGs. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:05:00 -
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P14gu3 I agree :-) |
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Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:06:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:I'm not saying it's just FPS. I've always preferred playing alone than against people. I like stories, that's why I like RPGs so much. You'll find that's how it was mostly. Then it seems, here comes 2007. Modern Warfare, what's single player?
SP has been screwed over by so many games lately for multiplayer, I think there needs to be more single player games, and not 4-5 hour things like COD or BF.
And maybe Iron Wolf... maybe. I've played a LOT of RPGs. The best one always had pvp or pvevp as the endgame. Why spend x amount of hours training your skills to max? To take one the hardest monsters? Any smart player will beat monters 2-3 levels ahead of them anyways. Once you max, other maxed players are the only way to test your skill. Horde mechanics are fun but my team even got bored with those quick. The equation is pretty easy to figure out. You know what's fun? Trying to take a horde from another group of players. Some of us made a RL living off of it and still occasionally failed. Real players are the only competition for some of us. Btw, this isn't new. I was doing this in 2001
That's funny, cause most RPG's with PVP in them that I ever played...
Think Neverwinter Nights.
Involved players going out of their way to attack players who stood absolutely no chance of defending themselves.
IE. A Level 60 actively hunting level 20's or lower.
Most PVP in most games actually follow this same exact scenario.
Usually players looking for the easy win.
That's why COD is known for it's killstreaks now. Because players aren't looking for the challenge, they're looking for the easy win.
And I seriously doubt you are any different. In fact.... Most the time, The AI provides a better challenge than a human player. Because you can choose a difficulty that artificially enhances the AI. No PVP game out there lets you artificially enhance a human player to provide you a challenge. And the one time that COD did attempt that with "Deathstreaks" The entire community was in an uproar about it. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
153
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:27:00 -
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NwN was a joke. Try Ultima Online, Warhammer Online, EvE Online, hell, even Dark Age of Camelot had decent zerg style PvP. The internet has provided some of the best RPGs to date.
I can't wait for elder scrolls online. I haven't played skyrim in months. I basically did everything the game had to offer ~a month or two. I played UO and EvE for 4+ years. That's the difference. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
46
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:30:00 -
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Ultima online damn, been ages :-) |
Reign Omega
Quafe Runners
36
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:39:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:I've played a LOT of RPGs. The best one always had pvp or pvevp as the endgame. Why spend x amount of hours training your skills to max? To take one the hardest monsters? Any smart player will beat monters 2-3 levels ahead of them anyways. Once you max, other maxed players are the only way to test your skill. Horde mechanics are fun but my team even got bored with those quick. The equation is pretty easy to figure out. You know what's fun? Trying to take a horde from another group of players. Some of us made a RL living off of it and still occasionally failed. Real players are the only competition for some of us. Btw, this isn't new. I was doing this in 2001
I wish somebody WOULD tell me that hokey pokey after playing FF XI...lol. 2 or 3 levels above? Try 2 or 3 below...and still better have a full party with good gear, and STILL may get wiped by a crab or random goblin spawn. *shudders* Anywho...speaking of A.I in FPS....remember the Perfect and Dark Agent bots in Perfect Dark 64? I have never had a harder time with an actual player in any shooter in my life. Mainly because they could break the laws of the game and do the impossible, but still. I think they may have actual been the model for the Agents in the Matrix lol.
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