Regarding shield extenders increasing hitboxes, I still believe the long ago recommended increase to scan profile would be a better fit, increasing hitboxes is a dramatic nerf, and though I could not confirm this for certain, would likely be a huge undertaking to code and implement it into the game.

Hmmph, your plate idea sounds better.

You are forgetting that this kind of speed only happens when you get hit.
After that, you are down to 25% of that rep speed, meaning 18.75.
And you have zero HP to go along with it, so you're just a meat bag.

Note, even if you have 10000000 reps, the dude has almost no HP, a standard AR with no skills or damage mods can kill him before the first rep cycle with ease.

Scan profile is not nearly as penalizing as speed.
So NOPE.
And if hitboxes are a dramatic nerf, then speed is a HUGE nerf, because it does the same thing (making you easier to hit) while also crippling your speed.

Hmmph, your plate idea sounds better.

You are forgetting that this kind of speed only happens when you get hit.
After that, you are down to 25% of that rep speed, meaning 18.75.
And you have zero HP to go along with it, so you're just a meat bag.

Note, even if you have 10000000 reps, the dude has almost no HP, a standard AR with no skills or damage mods can kill him before the first rep cycle with ease.

Scan profile is not nearly as penalizing as speed.
So NOPE.
And if hitboxes are a dramatic nerf, then speed is a HUGE nerf, because it does the same thing (making you easier to hit) while also crippling your speed.

Just give it up people. CCP will never give us Gallente's what we want. They love their precious shields and Caldari's far too much.

My point was to solidify armor as a powerful brawler that needs logis to repair properly outside of battle.
Your idea just makes them shields 2.0.

What I don't like is that you are solving armor for the Gallente assault suits but not for the other 5 armor suits. Your Gallente assault suit bonus should apply to ALL armor suits. Although it should be more like 10% PG/CPU reduction and 7% armor module, including repairers, efficacy per level.

Gallente Assault Bonus- 10% basic armor plate movement penalty reduction per level and 3% increased armor bonus from ferroscale and reactive plates per level
Amarr Assault Bonus- 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build-up per level
Gallente Logistics Bonus- 5% equipment PG/CPU reduction per level
Amarr Logistics Bonus- 5% repair module and reactive plate repair rate increase per level
Heavy Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage received reduction per level
Amarr Sentinel Bonus- 2% dropsuit shield and armor increase per level
Amarr Commando Bonus- 5% decrease in light weapon CPU and PG use per level
Gallente Scout Bonus- 10% dropsuit and active scanner scan radius increase per level

Only bonuses that help armor are class exclusive. So the other suits are left out in the Dust.

Why wouldn't a Logistic suit tank? Thats like expecting a scout suit to repair, a Logistic suit needs high HP to compensate for low damage and mobility...

I have been playing a Logistic as a while and I have never had assault suits defend me while I am providing triage, I have to depend on myself for survival, and thus I ensure that my HP is as high as possible while mitigating as much speed penalty as I can.

I am talking about primary function, and a logi's primary function is team support, not self-support. Yes, a logi can better help his team if he has more survivability, but it is only an associated ability with their primary ability, so all the logi's get direct bonuses to their support, they already get more modules to increase their survival, they don't need small percentage bonuses to help themselves.

How can I team support if I can't stay alive. I have 1 extra low slot and my EHP can only get about 40 higher than a Assault suit but thats only if I use all complex armor modules. So yes we do need small percentages...

This fix is supposed to make shields and armor have unique roles.


Please read GÇ£[P2] Roles of shield and armourGÇ¥, where the roles of shield and armor are covered.


Here are the list of things done, I will then expand on each:
-All plates HP increased by 2x
-Plates movement penalties changed to 5/7.5/10
-Armor reps changed to 5/7.5/10
-Armor reps now have a unique mechanic
-Gallente suits are given an inherent 5hp/s regeneration, helping lower level armor tanking


You might see the 2x HP increase and think GÇ£WTFGÇ¥, and I expected that.
But see, armor is supposed to have much higher HP than shields do, but because we need to use half our slots for reps, the HP gained is lost, while still having less reps.


But then you think GÇ£But didnGÇÖt you just increase reps amount?GÇ¥, and thatGÇÖs true, but hear me out on this.
This is the main part of the idea:
If you read the Roles of shield and armor part, then you would know that shields are skirmishers, they dictate their range, get out of battle, regenerate quickly and come back.
Armor is a brawler, taking a good punch while dealing lots of damage and regenerating under fire, but need repair tools to repair properly outside of battle.
Armor is also slow, which means it canGÇÖt dictate range, and canGÇÖt run out of battle as quickly, and its a very easy target.
Also has problems with power projection, taking time to respond to enemies taking your objectives, or teammates need help.
So taking this into consideration, I have got an idea to solidify the armor tanking role.
When you take damage from an enemy (not just any damage, like fall damage), your reps work at 100%.
The longer time has passed from the last time you took damage, the slower your reps work, down to 25% at the lowest level.
It goes like this:
0-5 seconds = 100%
5-10 seconds = 75%
10-15 seconds = 50%
15 seconds and beyond = 25%


The basic and enhanced plates penalty has been increased, because in its current form, the penalty rises very disproportionately to the HP gained.
This fixes the problem, making complex plates worthwhile.


New plates numbers:
Basic plate = 130HP, -5% speed
Enhanced plate = 174HP - 7.5% speed
Complex plate = 230HP - 10% speed


Some numbers.
Gallente Assault:
210 Armor HP + 230HP + 230HP (2x Complex plates) = 670 HP
The other two slots are used for armor repairers, and in addition to the inherent rep speed this turns into 25hp/s of regeneration at the first 5 seconds you take damage.
After 15 seconds this rep drops to 25%, putting it at 6.25, which is painfully slow.

how about basic reps heal 15hp a sec and 20 for enhanced and so on

This fix is supposed to make shields and armor have unique roles.


Please read GÇ£[P2] Roles of shield and armourGÇ¥, where the roles of shield and armor are covered.


Here are the list of things done, I will then expand on each:
-All plates HP increased by 2x
-Plates movement penalties changed to 5/7.5/10
-Armor reps changed to 5/7.5/10
-Armor reps now have a unique mechanic
-Gallente suits are given an inherent 5hp/s regeneration, helping lower level armor tanking


You might see the 2x HP increase and think GÇ£WTFGÇ¥, and I expected that.
But see, armor is supposed to have much higher HP than shields do, but because we need to use half our slots for reps, the HP gained is lost, while still having less reps.


But then you think GÇ£But didnGÇÖt you just increase reps amount?GÇ¥, and thatGÇÖs true, but hear me out on this.
This is the main part of the idea:
If you read the Roles of shield and armor part, then you would know that shields are skirmishers, they dictate their range, get out of battle, regenerate quickly and come back.
Armor is a brawler, taking a good punch while dealing lots of damage and regenerating under fire, but need repair tools to repair properly outside of battle.
Armor is also slow, which means it canGÇÖt dictate range, and canGÇÖt run out of battle as quickly, and its a very easy target.
Also has problems with power projection, taking time to respond to enemies taking your objectives, or teammates need help.
So taking this into consideration, I have got an idea to solidify the armor tanking role.
When you take damage from an enemy (not just any damage, like fall damage), your reps work at 100%.
The longer time has passed from the last time you took damage, the slower your reps work, down to 25% at the lowest level.
It goes like this:
0-5 seconds = 100%
5-10 seconds = 75%
10-15 seconds = 50%
15 seconds and beyond = 25%


The basic and enhanced plates penalty has been increased, because in its current form, the penalty rises very disproportionately to the HP gained.
This fixes the problem, making complex plates worthwhile.


New plates numbers:
Basic plate = 130HP, -5% speed
Enhanced plate = 174HP - 7.5% speed
Complex plate = 230HP - 10% speed


Some numbers.
Gallente Assault:
210 Armor HP + 230HP + 230HP (2x Complex plates) = 670 HP
The other two slots are used for armor repairers, and in addition to the inherent rep speed this turns into 25hp/s of regeneration at the first 5 seconds you take damage.
After 15 seconds this rep drops to 25%, putting it at 6.25, which is painfully slow.

and that extra hitbox will apply to scouts?, because that its not nearly balanced to scouts, think minma scouts, that depend only on shield tanking, considering that they are vey squishy right now, and when caldari scouts come this extra hitbox would only serve to further our extintion

Not really, you guys are extremely fast so you can dodge bullets, also hit box goes back to normal when your shields are down so you should invest in armor. Regardless scouts are UP now, so once they are buffed then this would be a fair implementation.