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Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1839
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:17:00 -
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Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2146
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:20:00 -
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Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1839
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine Shut up, you're a sloth, your intellect doesn't even begin to comprehend my cat intellect. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
316
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Hey hey don't get all gallente supremacist on me you are fighting for all armour tanking kind here. AMARR ARENT ******* SHIELD TANKERS WE DONT NEED SHIELD EFFICIENCY BOOSTS! |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
797
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:14:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine Shut up, you're a sloth, your intellect doesn't even begin to comprehend my cat intellect.
You two stop fighting and let a species with opposable thumbs figure this out |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1843
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Hey hey don't get all gallente supremacist on me you are fighting for all armour tanking kind here. AMARR ARENT ******* SHIELD TANKERS WE DONT NEED SHIELD EFFICIENCY BOOSTS! Aren't you both? |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto.
So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1848
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:14:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Caldari assault. You have no idea do you? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
318
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Hey hey don't get all gallente supremacist on me you are fighting for all armour tanking kind here. AMARR ARENT ******* SHIELD TANKERS WE DONT NEED SHIELD EFFICIENCY BOOSTS! Aren't you both? Nope Amarrian purely armour tank infact we are the pure armour tankers of the game.
However I think in general we tend to go for passive while gallenteans active armour tanking. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2256
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:19:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates. |
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:25:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates.
I could live with that actually |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:27:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Caldari assault. You have no idea do you? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread
I meant that if you want to balance a bit by buffing other suits in stead of nerfing the cladari suits. I am a armor tanked minmatar logi myself I know the frustration especially when they start spamming grenades. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2148
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:28:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine Shut up, you're a sloth, your intellect doesn't even begin to comprehend my cat intellect. You two stop fighting and let a species with opposable thumbs figure this out You monkeys got us in this mess in the first place! |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1848
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:28:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Caldari assault. You have no idea do you? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread I meant that if you want to balance a bit by buffing other suits in stead of nerfing the cladari suits. I am a armor tanked minmatar logi myself I know the frustration especially when they start spamming grenades. >Minmatar logi >Armor tank
What in the world... Minmatar are like the opposite of armor tanking in this game O_o |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Caldari assault. You have no idea do you? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread I meant that if you want to balance a bit by buffing other suits in stead of nerfing the cladari suits. I am a armor tanked minmatar logi myself I know the frustration especially when they start spamming grenades. >Minmatar logi >Armor tank What in the world... Minmatar are like the opposite of armor tanking in this game O_o
Well it works for me, as a logi I have better regenaration and with a repairer added I do quite well. on mmy proto I also use two complex shield extenders but my sever and advanced only have damage mods in the highs.
As mimnatar logi the starting walking and sprint speed is also a bit better. which I can hide fast behind the heavy I am supporting when my armor is a bit down.
My advanced scout is something else obviously. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2257
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: >Minmatar logi >Armor tank
What in the world... Minmatar are like the opposite of armor tanking in this game O_o
Minmatar Scout = Stabber Minmatar Assault = Jaguar Minmatar Logi =Scimitar |
Viktor Skirov
Heag Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:52:00 -
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Hey Kitty cat, what do you think if CCP give us a passive HP regen of 5 per level?! PER FRAME!! And if you skill in Gallente scout + basic + Basic medium + Assault + Logistic (Logis 10 per level ) and end up with a regen of 150 armor per second! (Gallentean suits only... Amarrians can have half of the regeneration)
A want mah op suit ...
Or maybe stolen Caldarian space weed, that will do. |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1854
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:00:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine Shut up, you're a sloth, your intellect doesn't even begin to comprehend my cat intellect. You two stop fighting and let a species with opposable thumbs figure this out You monkeys got us in this mess in the first place! Yeah! Those CCP monkeys! |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
402
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:11:00 -
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For assault? The logi already has this |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
146
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:13:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:For assault? The logi already has this
This really. |
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Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
551
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:16:00 -
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Mmmm cat tears. Tasty, I recommend them to the tear connoiseur |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
102
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. I wouldn't mind this, every other assault suit has higher shield regeneration and shield, gallente has less shield and shield regeneration for just a little bit more armor, why should we trade of 2 good things for just 1 good thing... |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2219
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:15:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Better than that, give a per-level bonus to the repair rate of Armor Repairers and Reactive Plates, and fix the damn penalties on the plates.
It keeps the focus on fitting rather than just bonuses, and still makes Gallente suits more effective.
The way I see it, defensive bonuses should be as follows:
Amarr: Armor Buffer Caldari: Shield Buffer Gallente: Armor "Active" tank (fast repair rates so they can recover from fights faster) Minmatar: Speed and Shield Recharge |
Dynnen Vvardenfell
187. League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:32:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Better than that, give a per-level bonus to the repair rate of Armor Repairers and Reactive Plates, and fix the damn penalties on the plates. It keeps the focus on fitting rather than just bonuses, and still makes Gallente suits more effective. The way I see it, defensive bonuses should be as follows: Amarr: Armor Buffer Caldari: Shield Buffer Gallente: Armor "Active" tank (fast repair rates so they can recover from fights faster) Minmatar: Speed and Shield Recharge With Gallente suits having a bonus to repair rates, and repair not suffering from stun effects like shields do, you end up being able to use the suits kind of like the ships in EVE of the same race. Rush in fast, beat the **** out of your enemy with your short-range high-damage weapons, and then rapidly rep your armor back up for the next fight.
How DARE you bring good suggestions to these forums! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2223
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:52:00 -
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Dynnen Vvardenfell wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. Better than that, give a per-level bonus to the repair rate of Armor Repairers and Reactive Plates, and fix the damn penalties on the plates. It keeps the focus on fitting rather than just bonuses, and still makes Gallente suits more effective. The way I see it, defensive bonuses should be as follows: Amarr: Armor Buffer Caldari: Shield Buffer Gallente: Armor "Active" tank (fast repair rates so they can recover from fights faster) Minmatar: Speed and Shield Recharge With Gallente suits having a bonus to repair rates, and repair not suffering from stun effects like shields do, you end up being able to use the suits kind of like the ships in EVE of the same race. Rush in fast, beat the **** out of your enemy with your short-range high-damage weapons, and then rapidly rep your armor back up for the next fight. How DARE you bring good suggestions to these forums! I may be fighting a losing battle, but I'm known for my stubbornness. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
430
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:56:00 -
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I have both shield tanking and armor tanking skills maxed out.
I don't care which is better I will simply use which is better. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
324
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:29:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates. I could live with that actually I couldn't that's the crappest bonus ever |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:43:00 -
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All armor suits deserve an inherent armor repair, by not having armor repair we are forced to lose 1 slot, and even then 5HP/s is super low, as a Gallente Logistics I have to always carry one repairer or I fear I will be destroyed. So I think maybe 7-10 for assault suits, and 12-15 (This is with the 5Hp/s for logi suits) for logistics suits, and none for the Caldari and Winmatar. This would give armor suits a 60-115 boost in EHP since using a repairer would be a choice, not a requirement. Shield suit aren't required to use regulators, so armor suits shouldn't be required to use repairers. Oh but you guys get repair tools ble ble ble, yeah because soooo many people run around with repair tools actually giving a rat's ass if you live or die.
Although giving us a passive repair bonus makes the Armor repair systems skill useless for some of us... |
KA24DERT
Not Guilty EoN.
68
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:43:00 -
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Yeah, I think an armor rep bonus would be more useful for the assault gallente suit than the current shield bonus. What am I going to do with a shield bonus on an armor suit? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:46:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Yeah, I think an armor rep bonus would be more useful for the assault gallente suit than the current shield bonus. What am I going to do with a shield bonus on an armor suit?
Die faster. |
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Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1869
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:04:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Yeah, I think an armor rep bonus would be more useful for the assault gallente suit than the current shield bonus. What am I going to do with a shield bonus on an armor suit? Die faster. Exactly what CCP wants >_> |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
793
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:14:00 -
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Good ideas are one out of one thousand on this thread, I'll have a long wait for the next one. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
440
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:18:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Good ideas are one out of one thousand on this thread, I'll have a long wait for the next one.
Yea we already have 3-5 good ideas in only 31 posts! |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
212
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto.
I dont use Gallante.
I would approve a inherent 3 hp/s for every gallante basic and assault. And 1 for logis gallantes. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
440
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. I dont use Gallante. I would approve a inherent 3 hp/s for every gallante basic and assault. And 1 for logis gallantes.
Thats a pretty low number, that HP/s only tickles. Specially a Logi Gallente suit which has the lowest survivability of all suits. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
262
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:53:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. I dont use Gallante. I would approve a inherent 3 hp/s for every gallante basic and assault. And 1 for logis gallantes. Thats a pretty low number, that HP/s only tickles. Specially a Logi Gallente suit which has the lowest survivability of all suits.
1st off, thats not true. 2nd of all its not at all little:
At 3 HP/s a simple complex regen (that at level 5 gives +25 efficiency to armor repairers) you get 9.25 regen per second. That and you can still equip a second complex armor rep for 15.5 HP/sec (Thats more than the Minmatar regenerates SHIELDS per second) or a Reactive armor plate for 11.25.
Logis could easily achieve 13.5 per sec with a simple complex armor rep and their bonuses....
The Armors are supposed to give MORE of it, but slower regen. I guess the REAL problem is they DONT give more than shields and if they do, they make your character turtle.... |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
466
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. I dont use Gallante. I would approve a inherent 3 hp/s for every gallante basic and assault. And 1 for logis gallantes. Thats a pretty low number, that HP/s only tickles. Specially a Logi Gallente suit which has the lowest survivability of all suits. 1st off, thats not true. 2nd of all its not at all little: At 3 HP/s a simple complex regen (that at level 5 gives +25 efficiency to armor repairers) you get 9.25 regen per second. That and you can still equip a second complex armor rep for 15.5 HP/sec (Thats more than the Minmatar regenerates SHIELDS per second) or a Reactive armor plate for 11.25. Logis could easily achieve 13.5 per sec with a simple complex armor rep and their bonuses.... The Armors are supposed to give MORE of it, but slower regen. I guess the REAL problem is they DONT give more than shields and if they do, they make your character turtle....
Umm wat? 3 x 1.25 = 3.75 not 9.25?
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
798
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:19:00 -
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While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
40
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:05:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Gallente suit is fine, everything is fine Shut up, you're a sloth, your intellect doesn't even begin to comprehend my cat intellect. You two stop fighting and let a species with opposable thumbs figure this out
hmm got news for you:
Opposable thumbs |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:16:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto.
You spend so much time crying about how armor tanking is horrible, you spend all this time ranting how you need a advantage AND YOU DON'T EVEN DUST!!!!!!! Perhaps if you put in as much time in improving your Dust gameplay and less time thinking up rants to make you better with advantages perhaps you wouldn't need all this trash you whine about daily? |
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Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
2047
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:27:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. You spend so much time crying about how armor tanking is horrible, you spend all this time ranting how you need a advantage AND YOU DON'T EVEN DUST!!!!!!! Perhaps if you put in as much time in improving your Dust gameplay and less time thinking up rants to make you better with advantages perhaps you wouldn't need all this trash you whine about daily? When I'm not being one shotted by Locus grenades, two shotted by mass drivers and flaylocks, run over by an LAV, you get the point, I average at around 20 kills a match with a max of 3 deaths. You were saying? |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1719
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates.
The minmatar assault is possibly one of the most balanced suit in the game. Its bonus to sidearm clip is interesting and not OP. Why change it ? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2309
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:58:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates. The minmatar assault is possibly one of the most balanced suit in the game. Its bonus to sidearm clip is interesting and not OP. Why change it ? Not a change, but an additional bonus so they're not left out if Gallente get an armor regen and the Amarr get a movement penalty reduction. I agree that the Minmatar suits are the best all around and I hope they don't change the bonuses for the assault or logi. |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
2047
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:02:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates. The minmatar assault is possibly one of the most balanced suit in the game. Its bonus to sidearm clip is interesting and not OP. Why change it ? Not a change, but an additional bonus so they're not left out if Gallente get an armor regen and the Amarr get a movement penalty reduction. I agree that the Minmatar suits are the best all around and I hope they don't change the bonuses for the assault or logi. I almost regret not going Minmatar. They're buds with Gallente, so I'm not a traitor (:P), and they're probably the best suits in the game.
Still, they're not half as cool :P |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:09:00 -
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Well I agree the gallente suits should get this bonus as they are known for armor tanking through rep. But I would like to this tied to a Skill (as nearly everything else in this game). So give alle gallente Frame site Skill this bonus.
So gallente light Frame giving 1HP/s per Level and Gallente Medium Frame giving 1HP/s (and of couse the upcoming heavy as well) This bonus should be applied to all suits of that given Framesize. That way the skill is at least somewhat usefull beyond level 3 and this bonus would not come for free.
To balance that thing I would like to see the following bonusses tied to the other Races frame size Skills: Amarr + 3-5 % Dropsuitarmor (they should tank through HP) Caldar +3-5 %Dropsuitshields or Shieldrecharge Minmatar +2% Stamina, +2 Sprintspeed, +2 Staminarecovery
That way every faction gets a unique flavor tied to their suits and you have a reason to skill up the frame size skills.
That would of course require a change in the current t2 suit bonusses |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
223
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:09:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Well I agree the gallente suits should get this bonus as they are known for armor tanking through rep. But I would like to this tied to a Skill (as nearly everything else in this game). So give alle gallente Frame site Skill this bonus.
So gallente light Frame giving 1HP/s per Level and Gallente Medium Frame giving 1HP/s (and of couse the upcoming heavy as well) This bonus should be applied to all suits of that given Framesize. That way the skill is at least somewhat usefull beyond level 3 and this bonus would not come for free.
To balance that thing I would like to see the following bonusses tied to the other Races frame size Skills: Amarr + 3-5 % Dropsuitarmor (they should tank through HP) Caldar +3-5 %Dropsuitshields or Shieldrecharge Minmatar +2% Stamina, +2 Sprintspeed, +2 Staminarecovery
That way every faction gets a unique flavor tied to their suits and you have a reason to skill up the frame size skills.
That would of course require a change in the current t2 suit bonusses If you're giving Amarr logis bonus AHP, , they'll need to be along the lines of 20% per level with no additional speed cuts to have them truly effective... |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:14:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Well I agree the gallente suits should get this bonus as they are known for armor tanking through rep. But I would like to this tied to a Skill (as nearly everything else in this game). So give alle gallente Frame site Skill this bonus.
So gallente light Frame giving 1HP/s per Level and Gallente Medium Frame giving 1HP/s (and of couse the upcoming heavy as well) This bonus should be applied to all suits of that given Framesize. That way the skill is at least somewhat usefull beyond level 3 and this bonus would not come for free.
To balance that thing I would like to see the following bonusses tied to the other Races frame size Skills: Amarr + 3-5 % Dropsuitarmor (they should tank through HP) Caldar +3-5 %Dropsuitshields or Shieldrecharge Minmatar +2% Stamina, +2 Sprintspeed, +2 Staminarecovery
That way every faction gets a unique flavor tied to their suits and you have a reason to skill up the frame size skills.
That would of course require a change in the current t2 suit bonusses If you're giving Amarr logis bonus AHP, , they'll need to be along the lines of 20% per level with no additional speed cuts to have them truly effective...
25% at max is pretty good... 100% is overkill. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:20:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Well I agree the gallente suits should get this bonus as they are known for armor tanking through rep. But I would like to this tied to a Skill (as nearly everything else in this game). So give alle gallente Frame site Skill this bonus.
So gallente light Frame giving 1HP/s per Level and Gallente Medium Frame giving 1HP/s (and of couse the upcoming heavy as well) This bonus should be applied to all suits of that given Framesize. That way the skill is at least somewhat usefull beyond level 3 and this bonus would not come for free.
To balance that thing I would like to see the following bonusses tied to the other Races frame size Skills: Amarr + 3-5 % Dropsuitarmor (they should tank through HP) Caldar +3-5 %Dropsuitshields or Shieldrecharge Minmatar +2% Stamina, +2 Sprintspeed, +2 Staminarecovery
That way every faction gets a unique flavor tied to their suits and you have a reason to skill up the frame size skills.
That would of course require a change in the current t2 suit bonusses If you're giving Amarr logis bonus AHP, , they'll need to be along the lines of 20% per level with no additional speed cuts to have them truly effective... 25% at max is pretty good... 100% is overkill. You're forgetting that armor doesn't regenerate, except in our case, and also that even at Proto, we barely outstrip the eHP of other logis |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:41:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Well I agree the gallente suits should get this bonus as they are known for armor tanking through rep. But I would like to this tied to a Skill (as nearly everything else in this game). So give alle gallente Frame site Skill this bonus.
So gallente light Frame giving 1HP/s per Level and Gallente Medium Frame giving 1HP/s (and of couse the upcoming heavy as well) This bonus should be applied to all suits of that given Framesize. That way the skill is at least somewhat usefull beyond level 3 and this bonus would not come for free.
To balance that thing I would like to see the following bonusses tied to the other Races frame size Skills: Amarr + 3-5 % Dropsuitarmor (they should tank through HP) Caldar +3-5 %Dropsuitshields or Shieldrecharge Minmatar +2% Stamina, +2 Sprintspeed, +2 Staminarecovery
That way every faction gets a unique flavor tied to their suits and you have a reason to skill up the frame size skills.
That would of course require a change in the current t2 suit bonusses If you're giving Amarr logis bonus AHP, , they'll need to be along the lines of 20% per level with no additional speed cuts to have them truly effective... 25% at max is pretty good... 100% is overkill. You're forgetting that armor doesn't regenerate, except in our case, and also that even at Proto, we barely outstrip the eHP of other logis
I suggestet to link these bonusses to the Framesize skills, so the Amarr Logistic can still get two bonusses to compensate for the low eHP. I know the Amarr Logi is somewhat weak. But this suggestions should give the factions a unique flavour that fits to EVE
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:17:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:So you have one more low slot free for armor plates? Seems a bit unbalanced to me. But when looking at the cal logi I see where you are comming from. Any good ideas how to buf minmatar and amar suits? Give Minmatar an efficiency bonus to biotics modules and Amarr a bonus that reduces the movement penalty on armor plates. The minmatar assault is possibly one of the most balanced suit in the game. Its bonus to sidearm clip is interesting and not OP. Why change it ?
The Minmatar assault suit is possibly the best suit in the game, not OP best, but just best. It has fast tracking and movement speed, amazing stamina, and can max around 800-900 EHP. If I had a respec that would be the suit I would run. |
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Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. You spend so much time crying about how armor tanking is horrible, you spend all this time ranting how you need a advantage AND YOU DON'T EVEN DUST!!!!!!! Perhaps if you put in as much time in improving your Dust gameplay and less time thinking up rants to make you better with advantages perhaps you wouldn't need all this trash you whine about daily? When I'm not being one shotted by Locus grenades, two shotted by mass drivers and flaylocks, run over by an LAV, you get the point, I average at around 20 kills a match with a max of 3 deaths. You were saying? I don't ask to be better, I ask to be on a level playing field, with my own strengths and weaknesses. So far I have far far more weaknesses that I have strengths, and those weaknesses overpower my strengths.
When was the last time you got 20 kills? At the academy on a alt? |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:31:00 -
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Um no.
The Gallente suit already has a nice number of lows, so use reppers, plus that would make the Amarr suits even more useless. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:32:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Give Gallente suits inherent 5hp/s regen. And no, I don't mean in a skill, I mean like the minnie suits that get 1hp/s. We don't need to make low level armor tanking even worse than it is compared to proto. You spend so much time crying about how armor tanking is horrible, you spend all this time ranting how you need a advantage AND YOU DON'T EVEN DUST!!!!!!! Perhaps if you put in as much time in improving your Dust gameplay and less time thinking up rants to make you better with advantages perhaps you wouldn't need all this trash you whine about daily? When I'm not being one shotted by Locus grenades, two shotted by mass drivers and flaylocks, run over by an LAV, you get the point, I average at around 20 kills a match with a max of 3 deaths. You were saying? I don't ask to be better, I ask to be on a level playing field, with my own strengths and weaknesses. So far I have far far more weaknesses that I have strengths, and those weaknesses overpower my strengths. When was the last time you got 20 kills? At the academy on a alt? He's actually pretty damn good. We're in the same Corp, so I've run with him before.
However, look at the kind of scores you see put up by just about anyone in a shield-tanked suit with a stack of Extenders. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:33:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:36:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? What do you mean by resists? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? What do you mean by resists? Damage type resistances, for instance if an amarr suit which has a base resist bonus is shot with a mass driver or flaylock, it would deal closer to 100% damage instead of 110%. Unfortunately I don't have the numbers for a proper bonus so my first thought would be to make it 4 or 5% higher than the armor of other suits. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:46:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? What do you mean by resists? Damage type resistances, for instance if an amarr suit which has a base resist bonus is shot with a mass driver or flaylock, it would deal closer to 100% damage instead of 110%. Unfortunately I don't have the numbers for a proper bonus so my first thought would be to make it 4 or 5% higher than the armor of other suits.
No suit has resistances actually, and since CCP hasn't actually added proper resistances except the two we know of it seems like it's just to hard for them to code, or to intensive to implement. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:51:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? What do you mean by resists? Damage type resistances, for instance if an amarr suit which has a base resist bonus is shot with a mass driver or flaylock, it would deal closer to 100% damage instead of 110%. Unfortunately I don't have the numbers for a proper bonus so my first thought would be to make it 4 or 5% higher than the armor of other suits. No suit has resistances actually, and since CCP hasn't actually added proper resistances except the two we know of it seems like it's just to hard for them to code, or to intensive to implement. It wouldn't really be a good solution.
It has the potential to create imbalance while attempting to do the opposite. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:53:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:While we're on the subject of base bonuses, how about more resists for amarr suits? No one agrees with this? What do you mean by resists? Damage type resistances, for instance if an amarr suit which has a base resist bonus is shot with a mass driver or flaylock, it would deal closer to 100% damage instead of 110%. Unfortunately I don't have the numbers for a proper bonus so my first thought would be to make it 4 or 5% higher than the armor of other suits. No suit has resistances actually, and since CCP hasn't actually added proper resistances except the two we know of it seems like it's just to hard for them to code, or to intensive to implement. They're around, but only in the form of the weapon efficiency. So instead of actual resists, it would be somehing similar to "7% reduction to weapon efficiency" while it would be listed with bonuses, it wouldn't increase per level. |
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