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Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
239
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:12:00 -
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Post a reply below to raise awareness towards CCP to remove free murder taxis.
They require no skills to use, they're free, they clog up our airspace with RDV's, becoming instant-death hammers against dropships, not to mention they're stronger and more survivable than them, so why should they be free?
Show your approval of the removal of free LAVs.
Sign here
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Girltoi
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
[2] - Quote
+1
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KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
84
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
[3] - Quote
Signed |
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
[4] - Quote
1+ signed |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1671
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
[5] - Quote
Signed. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
418
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
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they exist as bpo's so won't help anything.
the bpo lav's just need to become coffins again.
they need to be used for transport and expect to die if you use it for even that.... |
Gorra Snell
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:16:00 -
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I like them - they give AV fits something to do. Just nerf their EHP enough to one-shot them with ADV AV nades. |
Rian CuThalion
D3LTA FORC3
Inver Brass
26
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:16:00 -
[8] - Quote
LOL I think your looking for the feedback request side of the forum:
Here |
Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
1025
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:17:00 -
[9] - Quote
Remove the free Boosters/Reppers from them. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
49
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:17:00 -
[10] - Quote
Signed. They are usually a bigger danger to their own team's vehicles. |
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Abby Invocat
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:18:00 -
[11] - Quote
signed |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:19:00 -
[12] - Quote
I say no to removing free LAVs. My reasoning for this is that people need some method of transportation on large maps, and paying for simple transportation would be frowned upon.
However, I agree with the fact that the starter LAVs are being abused as murder taxis. I think militia LAVs should be brought down to pre-buff levels so that the most basic AV weapons can kill them in single shots. People will be greatly discouraged from using them as murder taxis and will be used as free transport at the risk of death. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
294
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:23:00 -
[13] - Quote
can I sign twice? +1 |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
1221
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:25:00 -
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These are the easiest taxis to deal with though. Anyway the saga II pretty much is taking over. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:26:00 -
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Nope, they're easy enough to kill, stop whining about them. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
534
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:26:00 -
[16] - Quote
I'd like to see them swapped out for free dropships. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:26:00 -
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Of course. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
139
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:26:00 -
[18] - Quote
+1
However, as an alternative to removing them I wouldn't mind if their HP decreased by 25%, and the time to call them in was closer to 7-8 seconds. |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
242
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:27:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:I say no to removing free LAVs. My reasoning for this is that people need some method of transportation on large maps, and paying for simple transportation would be frowned upon.
However, I agree with the fact that the starter LAVs are being abused as murder taxis. I think militia LAVs should be brought down to pre-buff levels so that the most basic AV weapons can kill them in single shots. People will be greatly discouraged from using them as murder taxis and will be used as free transport at the risk of death.
This is what dropships are for. Troop Transport. Unfortunatley the free LAV is more survivable than them right now, so every
blueberry and their mother uses them. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
50
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:50:00 -
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Silas Swakhammer wrote:Nope, they're easy enough to kill, stop whining about them.
It's not enemy LAVs that are the problem. It's every stupid blue dot in the game running around in them and doing more harm to their own team than the enemy's. |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
418
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:03:00 -
[21] - Quote
i'd like to see players pay for their assets.
if transports are useful as transports let players spec into them an pay the isk for them.
I see no reason for them to be free.
but bpo's exist so like I said it doesn't matter now does it. |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
486
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:04:00 -
[22] - Quote
No, I just skilled up to Boundless Proximity Mines. Keep the free points and kills for me  |
Heavy Breaks
Ill Omens
EoN.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:24:00 -
[23] - Quote
Signed |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Doomslaying Democratic League
13
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:31:00 -
[24] - Quote
+1
Defo n00b stuff that is just not suited to Dust's character progression model. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
336
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:35:00 -
[25] - Quote
I'd sooner see
limit of free MLT LAV per match:3
Free MLT LAV not available for 1st minute of match (this allows paying customers to access their multi-million ISK tanks/DS before the talentless)
Cooldown on MLT LAV after destruction 2 minutes. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:47:00 -
[26] - Quote
Free LAVs are not the problem.
Road kills are the problem.
Remove free LAVs and the same kind of people will just invest in the LAV tree and build super tanky LAVs they can continue racking up easy kills with little or no threat to themselves.
You need to remove the reason people like that use LAVs and that's the ease of killing anyone in one shot at any speed. |
Tryan Sacee
Airam National
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:55:00 -
[27] - Quote
Boot them |
commando biffle
Shadow Company HQ
2
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:57:00 -
[28] - Quote
+1 |
Everything Dies
WARANGELS
Commonwealth Coalition
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:03:00 -
[29] - Quote
Or just make the weight and speed of the vehicle determine how much damage they do; say, 200 damage for an LAV going at full speed. However, running over people should also do an equal amount of damage to the car. |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
42
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:04:00 -
[30] - Quote
No. This petition ends here. |
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Akdhar Saif
Resistance of Tomorrow
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:05:00 -
[31] - Quote
+1 Signed. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI
Omega Commission
196
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:05:00 -
[32] - Quote
+1
Sure they provide free WP for tankers but support people using AV way too much. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI
Omega Commission
42
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:11:00 -
[33] - Quote
How do you suggest squaring things with players who bought DLC pack which contain LAV BPO's, OP? |
Nix Vulken
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:14:00 -
[34] - Quote
+1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4668
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:15:00 -
[35] - Quote
NO!
LAVs being free is not the problem; those ones are not even hard to kill (2 STD AV grenades destroy them), the problem is that LAVs kill way too easily; very little speed is needed to kill someone by running them over, and the LAV takes no impact damage from it. They get impact damage from hitting rocks and walls, but not heavily shielded and armored mercs. |
Menthol Man
S.e.V.e.N.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:53:00 -
[36] - Quote
Signed |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty
EoN.
708
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:53:00 -
[37] - Quote
Sign. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
24
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:54:00 -
[38] - Quote
signed |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:59:00 -
[39] - Quote
signed.. coz im a boss |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
102
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:40:00 -
[40] - Quote
Signed +1 |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1897
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
I've been seeing more Saga II spam today than starter fit spam.
Clearly, removing starter fits won't stop the professional murder taxi drivers. |
Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
9
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:08:00 -
[42] - Quote
Signed +1 |
Government CheeseBurger
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
459
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:10:00 -
[43] - Quote
X |
Defy Gravity
Silver Talon Corporation
54
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
Free likes anyone?? |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
49
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:59:00 -
[45] - Quote
Anyone notice how few likes the people signing this petition have? I bet none of them have speced into AV. |
Hop3LesS
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:10:00 -
[46] - Quote
wtf is +1
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
387
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:42:00 -
[47] - Quote
Croned wrote:Anyone notice how few likes the people signing this petition have? I bet none of them have speced into AV.
let them cry. its their only defence |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:45:00 -
[48] - Quote
signed |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:45:00 -
[49] - Quote
he is agreeing with the OP |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
220
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:48:00 -
[50] - Quote
The fact that CCP hasnt removed them already shows how brutal this game is.
SIgned. |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
741
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:50:00 -
[51] - Quote
+1 Lol I dont expect them to listen but signed |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
595
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:54:00 -
[52] - Quote
Signed. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
159
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:54:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Remove the free Boosters/Reppers from them.
F*** LAVs, this is a Freakn FPS not GTA.
+1 |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.07.05 02:24:00 -
[54] - Quote
Showing up on radar would also be a good start. |
Grims Tooth
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
+1 to removing that horrible HP buff on militia LAVs |
Silent Defiance
Lone Hound of Death
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 03:34:00 -
[56] - Quote
signed |
Shavan D
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
Signed
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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
202
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:59:00 -
[58] - Quote
you do know you can kill a free lav and get 90 wp with just to std av grenades
the problem you guys are having are logistic lav's
the ones that people spend actual skill points trying to get |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:03:00 -
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But i having so much fun killing them.... can you just leave them for a bit longer ? That 40wp+50wp, and their shocked faces every time i switch from my GEK-38 to the Swarm Launcher.. is... priceless. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
143
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
The maps aren't even that big, and unlike the free dropsuits they give you LAVs are not essential to actually playing the game. If you really want one and don't want to skill into them go buy a militia version like everything else. |
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
82
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:07:00 -
[61] - Quote
Good arguments on both sides |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:10:00 -
[62] - Quote
You guys do know you can one shot them with a forge or swarm launcher right.... |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
117
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:12:00 -
[63] - Quote
-1
Only if they remove free swarm launchers as well. And they better not touch my Ikushune LAV BPO.
Also, I'd just like to note, if free LAVs give easy kills for no skill, why not use them yourself? They're free and take no SP.
I think most the people claiming they take no skill are just upset because they aren't good with them. |
KrazyEyeKilla
Greek Death Squad
12
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:14:00 -
[64] - Quote
+1 |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:15:00 -
[65] - Quote
CuuCH Crusher wrote:You guys do know you can one shot them with a forge or swarm launcher right....
Ohhh.. but i do... They see me with a GEK-38 with the commando suit, and they think; Hey!! easy target !... I let them get close to me, give them a false sense of security.. and then.. boom !! 5 Swarm missiles in their face.. I am addicted to it.. that is the only thing i do in battles this days. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
143
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Posted - 2013.07.05 10:16:00 -
[66] - Quote
Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Also, I'd just like to note, if free LAVs give easy kills for no skill, why not use them yourself? They're free and take no SP.
I think most the people claiming they take no skill are just upset because they aren't good with them. If the whole point of being a mercenary is to make money, then why not just AFK? You'll make a guaranteed profit and still receive plenty of skill points.
The point is it's not the style of play we want. Sure I could spawn in a free LAV and run people over all day, but I'd rather be on the frontline capturing bases even if its less efficient. If you want to drive your LAV so much put in a bit of ISK, that's all.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2403
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
They need to be kept. Kept free and skill less. I have no problem with FREE LAVs. It's the near invincible Logi LAVs. I literally played 2 games of the new build. That all. Why? Because Logi LAVs are a freaking joke. Game ruined. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
600
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Posted - 2013.07.05 11:28:00 -
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Im fine with that
Milita LAV are the main problem but what lead to this was giving all vehicles a HP buff because they took away skills that give 5% armor/shield per level from vehicles while infantry still have those skills for ther dropsuits which is total BS |
Pvt Numnutz
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
73
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
Loving the rdv changes in 1.2. However people still use free lav's as free anti dropship weapons. If they don't get removed then I want free dropship blueprint to compensate! Can't have it both ways |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
121
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:49:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Tharak Meuridiar wrote:Also, I'd just like to note, if free LAVs give easy kills for no skill, why not use them yourself? They're free and take no SP.
I think most the people claiming they take no skill are just upset because they aren't good with them. If the whole point of being a mercenary is to make money, then why not just AFK? You'll make a guaranteed profit and still receive plenty of skill points. The point is it's not the style of play we want. Sure I could spawn in a free LAV and run people over all day, but I'd rather be on the frontline capturing bases even if its less efficient. If you want to drive your LAV so much put in a bit of ISK, that's all.
Sorry bud I paid 100$ for a set of BPO's that came with a BPO LAV. Absolutely nothing will be taking my free LAV away. They aren't going to revoke BPO's from paying customers. They would have to give refunds and you know that isn't going to happen.
If you don't want to run LAVs, thats fine, learn to live with them. I almost never get hit by LAVs when I'm on on foot, and 90% of the time I do it's because I ditched my LAV (Due to taking a round from a forge gun or an Packed AV nade or something) and I get hit while I'm trying run back into cover.
I however get plenty of SL kills against them.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
My LAV was bought and paid for with a merc pack so I say no. The free LAV that everyone starts with I say yes. Also they should be banned from Ambush. When half the team is driving LAV's and you have only so many nades you get the pictures. Also they should not be allowed on stairways or any other man built surface other than roads and off road terrain. I cant stand these weak characters racking up kills off LAV's by driving up stairs and killing half the team because of the stupid glitches. |
Boot Booter
Elite Gamers Militia
11
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO!
LAVs being free is not the problem; those ones are not even hard to kill (2 STD AV grenades destroy them), the problem is that LAVs kill way too easily; very little speed is needed to kill someone by running them over, and the LAV takes no impact damage from it. They get impact damage from hitting rocks and walls, but not heavily shielded and armored mercs.
Vehicle play is just as much a part of the game as infantry play, so vehicles need at least one free starter fit (infantry has 4).
Agree.
Most of the time I get killed by an LAV is when they are driving around in circles going about 10 mph and run over my toes. Way too much damage at low speeds!
AND! to all of you saying "stop crying, just use AV nades" well, Idk, maybe it would be nice to use my grenade slot for something other than a cheap kill of some idiot in a free LAV.
My tactic, until the murder taxis end?
Standing on boxes. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1681
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:17:00 -
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Croned wrote:Anyone notice how few likes the people signing this petition have? I bet none of them have speced into AV.
Oh look, I have 1600+ more likes than you.
/signed.
As a primarily Vehicle based player, I can say that the free LAV doesn't help anyone apart from players that don't want to pay to get to an objective or run people over.
By removing the free LAV, players have to pay to get to objectives faster, which means they'll be more likely to not send their vehicle crashing repeatedly into players but also means a Dropship Pilot becomes more useful. You see it all the time, every skirmish match, everybody calls their LAVs in, and that poor Dropship mug sits there waiting for a couple of people to get in so he can play a part, but it rarely happens. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
42
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:23:00 -
[74] - Quote
They can be killed with Standard AV grenades and a MLT Swarm very easily. Not very hard to kill. I think the Murder Taxi is just a symptom of a larger problem: ProtoStomping. Newer players may be more inclined to not use the LAV as a weapon of murder if the matchmaking system was more fair. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1681
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
BARDAS wrote:They can be killed with Standard AV grenades and a MLT Swarm very easily. Not very hard to kill. I think the Murder Taxi is just a symptom of a larger problem: ProtoStomping. Newer players may be more inclined to not use the LAV as a weapon of murder if the matchmaking system was more fair.
LAVs are easy to kill with. I'm able to use Proto Cannons and Enforcer HAVs, but it's easier and cheaper to kill in a Logistics LAV, and I'm running the Logistics because I'm fighting proto players. Newer players will use whatever is available to them so they can make easy money and get easy kills. |
dazlb72
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
20
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:30:00 -
[76] - Quote
signed |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
222
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:34:00 -
[77] - Quote
Free LAVs are terrible and are easy to take down with a free swarm launcher.
Those LLAvs on the other hand are way more of a problem. |
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