Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though).

They've already done it far too much...

Your choices matter.

Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature.

Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature.

Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake.

I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept.

EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would.

Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake.

I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept.

EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would.

I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit.

I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit.

I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late.

Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period?

Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it.
I don't like it.
Wasted approx 18k SP.
Get it back in a couple hours.

I still don't see the issue.

Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up.

I skill into what I want for the match.
Play the round.
Undo all my SP.
I then skill into what I want for the next match.
Rinse repeat.

Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up.

I skill into what I want for the match.
Play the round.
Undo all my SP.
I then skill into what I want for the next match.
Rinse repeat.

Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it.
I don't like it.
Wasted approx 18k SP.
Get it back in a couple hours.

I still don't see the issue.

sometimes, when people try things out like that, they dig deeper and pray it gets better, but doesn't. There goes weeks of putting faith into a build thinking things will get better with higher tier gear. Especially, low meta level gear doesn't do justice to their proto equivalents.

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The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc
Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them

I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic.
In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea.

Changing your mind, and respeccing is.

I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic.
In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea.

Changing your mind, and respeccing is.

As someone pointed out in one of the many, many other respec threads, the revenue stream created by respecs would reduce the need for, and profits from, the already existing revenue stream created by boosters.

Here's an idea, though:

Many of the weapons and items in the game have Aurum versions available that require no skills to use. If you're willing to spend the Aurum for a respec AFTER making a mistake, why not use that same Aurum to buy a couple of whatever you're thinking of speccing into, to try it out first, before committing skill points to it, and avoid making that mistake in the first place?

I bought 5 of each weapon, made a fitting for each, and tried them all out before deciding which tree to throw my SP into, for example.

It might not be a perfect solution but, under the current system, it should help to avoid spending skill points on something that you decide you don't like after trying it.

Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial
Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find

I'm just going to have to agree with you and abandon thread. My mind literally cannot piece together your post, without any punctuation.

Good discussion up until then, though. Have a +1

Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up.

I skill into what I want for the match.
Play the round.
Undo all my SP.
I then skill into what I want for the next match.
Rinse repeat.

And then what? At some point you will need to sleep unless there are a group of you doing this 23 hours a day, every day with that specific toob. Once you do sleep then the grace period will end and the SP used will be locked into that last build permanently.

Trolling, right?

If not, you can activate your respec and LEAVE YOUR POINTS UNALLOCATED when you sleep.

It's not that much trouble to earn and apply skills to a new tree, new players do it all the time, and they have no experience with the game at all.

If you're worried about being competitive, just keep using your current stuff, and apply the sp you earn with it into the skills you plan on branching into, until you've got them levelled to a comfortable level before switching over.

It just doesn't really make sense (I know, I'm venturing into RP territory here) for a character to magically "forget" the skills they've spent all their time learning, and instantly become a fully skilled expert in a completely different area, just because a new item was released or CCP makes some balance adjustments.

It is much more natural and realistic that, if a character wants to learn a completely new set of skills, they do so gradually, over time, IN ADDITION TO the skills they already know, just like in real life.

In the end, that player will be far more versatile and, as an added bonus, will have a secondary skill tree to fall back on, should their current one get nerfed in the future, without having to come back here begging for ANOTHER respec! Win-win!

Edit: that being said, I would not be against adding an "Apply Skills" button when leaving the Skills screen, that would allow a player to add and remove their current available skill points at will, and then lock their choices in when they're done. This would help avoid the "oh crap, I didn't mean to click that!" allocation accidents.

In the long term I think booster sales would be fine, after all no one is going to have even the basics of their build done on day one
Look at it this way, Player X has a way to go to finish his build so he buys a bunch of boosters to get him there
The grind is exhausting but his build is finished and hes happy until boredom and the desire to change up his playstyle kicks in
With respecs he has options aside from a booster and options are a good thing, so he buys a respec and changes his build to something else but after a while boredom kicks in again and hes locked to one thing not having enough SP yet to have two full builds, so he buys another respec and maybe a few boosters so he can have more than one full build

Im rambling a bit but you see where Im going with this right

Kind off topic, but speaking of the new player SP dilemma I had a few ideas from debating the issue with many people today.

I think we can all agree that 500k starter SP is very low considering skill costs in uprising. And that leaving the battle academy can be quite a shock to new players.

While 500k is fine to get through battle academy I think it would be a good idea to reward player's 1mill SP upon graduation from the Academy. For intelligent player's they should have a good grasp of where they would like to take their toon by this time. Also assuming that CCP can create a better tutorial system to help new player's with theory crafting their fits.

On top of that new player's should have an extended weekly cap until they hit 5mill SP. At which time they would be granted a ONE TIME ONLY Respec to undue any potential errors in their beginning weeks.

Jaqen I was trying to say that with an optional respec a player might end up spending more money than they would if boosters remained the sole option

Its a cycle of respec > bored > respec > bored > respec while also potentially buying boosters to more quickly get another build going so boredom doesnt kick in as often

Theres a lot of dumb people out there willing to throw money at things if they are packaged right, look at the people that spent hundreds of dollars on this game while it was still in beta

Sean Decker, is that you?

Jaqen I was trying to say that with an optional respec a player might end up spending more money than they would if boosters remained the sole option

Its a cycle of respec > bored > respec > bored > respec while also potentially buying boosters to more quickly get another build going so boredom doesnt kick in as often

Theres a lot of dumb people out there willing to throw money at things if they are packaged right, look at the people that spent hundreds of dollars on this game while it was still in beta

I think that is a good idea up to the part where new players get 1mil sp ( good idea ) after graduation. But then about better training and help during the academy period, also a good idea

True, but there are also many players who will not tolerate becoming bored with a game a second, or third, time and will just quit rather than throw more money at it to keep it interesting for another week or two.

So you'd end up with some short-term gain from the dumb people, at the expense of long-term player retention.

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