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Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:53:00 -
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Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:54:00 -
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Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though).
They've already done it far too much...
Your choices matter. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:57:00 -
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Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. |
Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:00:00 -
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Oh I didn't know that, well I was just asking cause I applied some sp in the wrong place and now it's kinda a long ride trying get my logistics dropsuit. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:00:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). They've already done it far too much... Your choices matter.
The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:00:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature.
Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake.
I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept.
EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. |
Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:03:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature.
I never thought about that, that's a good idea. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:06:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period? |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:07:00 -
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I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit. |
Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:07:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would.
I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late.
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Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:09:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit.
That's what I'm saying, and exactly how I feel.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:13:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit.
The ones you see most vehemently against it are the EVE players, if Dust does anything differently than EVE does they rage |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:13:00 -
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Killa Mamba wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late.
Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it. I don't like it. Wasted approx 18k SP. Get it back in a couple hours.
I still don't see the issue. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period?
Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up.
I skill into what I want for the match. Play the round. Undo all my SP. I then skill into what I want for the next match. Rinse repeat.
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Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:17:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late. Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it. I don't like it. Wasted approx 18k SP. Get it back in a couple hours. I still don't see the issue.
Oh okay, your right, I'm not stressing those little bit of skill points but they could come in handy later if your were able to apply them somewhere else. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:19:00 -
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sometimes, when people try things out like that, they dig deeper and pray it gets better, but doesn't. There goes weeks of putting faith into a build thinking things will get better with higher tier gear. Especially, low meta level gear doesn't do justice to their proto equivalents. |
Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:20:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period? Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up. I skill into what I want for the match. Play the round. Undo all my SP. I then skill into what I want for the next match. Rinse repeat.
Nah that's just cheating, I'm saying a one time deal, you get all you're sp back and apply it to what you want, because at first you didn't exactly know what you Ed doing.so know that you've experienced the game you know what fits and suits you. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:21:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period? Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up. I skill into what I want for the match. Play the round. Undo all my SP. I then skill into what I want for the next match. Rinse repeat. That's why I suggested it works on a cooldown period. So say you can only undo one skill within the grace period per week or something like that.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:22:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late. Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it. I don't like it. Wasted approx 18k SP. Get it back in a couple hours. I still don't see the issue.
The issue is some people being forced to spec into less than optimal builds for their playstyles due to missing racial suits and weapon variants Then theres the monetary potential and how it still works in the actions have consequences thing people like to bandy about |
Killa Mamba
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:22:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:sometimes, when people try things out like that, they dig deeper and pray it gets better, but doesn't. There goes weeks of putting faith into a build thinking things will get better with higher tier gear. Especially, low meta level gear doesn't do justice to their proto equivalents.
That's true and could happen but it's only for the people who seriously think they need this opportunity. |
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Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:25:00 -
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I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea.
Changing your mind, and respeccing is. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). They've already done it far too much... Your choices matter. The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them
As someone pointed out in one of the many, many other respec threads, the revenue stream created by respecs would reduce the need for, and profits from, the already existing revenue stream created by boosters.
Here's an idea, though:
Many of the weapons and items in the game have Aurum versions available that require no skills to use. If you're willing to spend the Aurum for a respec AFTER making a mistake, why not use that same Aurum to buy a couple of whatever you're thinking of speccing into, to try it out first, before committing skill points to it?
It might not be a perfect solution but, under the current system, it should help to avoid spending skill points on something that you decide you don't like after trying it. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:31:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is. I'm sort of half-and-half on whether or not I think CCP will go through with another respec when the other racial suits arrive, but if they do it then it will be a full respec. Partial respecs don't work and CCP agrees (source: the last respec). You remove one thing and it can completely change everything you skill into afterwards. Similar with how last time all that changed was specialty requirements got changed from Level 5 to Level 3 and the multipliers got reduced, yet they still understood how even something that minor can change what you skill into after so they opted with the full respec.
But still, I'm sort of leaning on the idea that CCP will say "tough luck" when the other heavies and lights are released. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:35:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is.
Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:39:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Delta 749 wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). They've already done it far too much... Your choices matter. The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them As someone pointed out in one of the many, many other respec threads, the revenue stream created by respecs would reduce the need for, and profits from, the already existing revenue stream created by boosters. Here's an idea, though: Many of the weapons and items in the game have Aurum versions available that require no skills to use. If you're willing to spend the Aurum for a respec AFTER making a mistake, why not use that same Aurum to buy a couple of whatever you're thinking of speccing into, to try it out first, before committing skill points to it, and avoid making that mistake in the first place? I bought 5 of each weapon, made a fitting for each, and tried them all out before deciding which tree to throw my SP into, for example. It might not be a perfect solution but, under the current system, it should help to avoid spending skill points on something that you decide you don't like after trying it.
In the long term I think booster sales would be fine, after all no one is going to have even the basics of their build done on day one Look at it this way, Player X has a way to go to finish his build so he buys a bunch of boosters to get him there The grind is exhausting but his build is finished and hes happy until boredom and the desire to change up his playstyle kicks in With respecs he has options aside from a booster and options are a good thing, so he buys a respec and changes his build to something else but after a while boredom kicks in again and hes locked to one thing not having enough SP yet to have two full builds, so he buys another respec and maybe a few boosters so he can have more than one full build
Im rambling a bit but you see where Im going with this right |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:40:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is. Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find
I'm just going to have to agree with you and abandon thread. My mind literally cannot piece together your post, without any punctuation.
Good discussion up until then, though. Have a +1 |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:43:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is. Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find I'm just going to have to agree with you and abandon thread. My mind literally cannot piece together your post, without any punctuation. Good discussion up until then, though. Have a +1
One run on sentence is overwhelming? |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:45:00 -
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With the amount of caffeine running through my system, and on the day I quit smoking (again), yes, unfathomably. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:47:00 -
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Ah, I quit smoking and remember how much of a ***** it was so you have my sympathy |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:48:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. Oh I get it, it's a mistake and I can live with it. But honestly what harm does it do if you accidentally misread the skill and want to use a cooldown based "undo" button within a given grace period? Let's say it's a 1 hour grace period. Let's say I've got 4 MIL SP saved up. I skill into what I want for the match. Play the round. Undo all my SP. I then skill into what I want for the next match. Rinse repeat.
And then what? At some point you will need to sleep unless there are a group of you doing this 23 hours a day, every day with that specific toon. Once you do sleep then the grace period will end and the SP used will be locked into that last build permanently. |
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