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Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:00:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). They've already done it far too much... Your choices matter.
The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc
Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:13:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:I don't understand why people think the cons outweigh the pros. Sure, trends will be picked up here and there but builds need to be tested out. If a build doesn't work for someone it will take months to recover/spec into a different build, or more likely, quit.
The ones you see most vehemently against it are the EVE players, if Dust does anything differently than EVE does they rage |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:22:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Only thing I think that needs to be added is a 1 hour refund period incase you made a mad decision. Or heck, make it 30 minutes or whatever. I know I've accidentally skilled into something and realized two seconds later my mistake, or skilled into something and after one match regretted it. Perhaps put a cooldown on such a feature. Maybe if you'd have waited those 2 seconds before confirming, you wouldn't have made the mistake. I don't understand why people would want to undo what they've done. If you're unsure about your decision, don't do it. If you do it, commit to it. Want to try something else, save up some SP and branch out. It's not a difficult concept. EDIT: We already have an option similar to a respec. They're called boosters, and they let you put SP into skills quicker than you normally would. I get what your saying but kinda hard committing to something you've never experienced. You wouldn't know the consequence until it's to late. Okay, picture this. I want to tryout a new weapon, I'll buy the skill, get it to level 1 and then buy it. I don't like it. Wasted approx 18k SP. Get it back in a couple hours. I still don't see the issue.
The issue is some people being forced to spec into less than optimal builds for their playstyles due to missing racial suits and weapon variants
Then theres the monetary potential and how it still works in the actions have consequences thing people like to bandy about |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:35:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is.
Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial
Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:39:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Delta 749 wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:Killa Mamba wrote:Am I the only one that thinks there should be like a skill points reset for those players who want to apply sp in a different area of need? And if so do you think they will eventually do it. (just a one time deal though). They've already done it far too much... Your choices matter. The logical argument to "Your choices matter" is that he made a bad choice and is paying to correct that mistake ergo choice leads to consequence, consequences matter, etc etc Then the usual counter argument is that the price he pays is to be stuck with that choice but thats really rather limiting dont you think and from a business sense if respecs had an AUR cost it would be cutting out a potentially significant revenue stream considering how many people ask for them As someone pointed out in one of the many, many other respec threads, the revenue stream created by respecs would reduce the need for, and profits from, the already existing revenue stream created by boosters. Here's an idea, though: Many of the weapons and items in the game have Aurum versions available that require no skills to use. If you're willing to spend the Aurum for a respec AFTER making a mistake, why not use that same Aurum to buy a couple of whatever you're thinking of speccing into, to try it out first, before committing skill points to it, and avoid making that mistake in the first place? I bought 5 of each weapon, made a fitting for each, and tried them all out before deciding which tree to throw my SP into, for example. It might not be a perfect solution but, under the current system, it should help to avoid spending skill points on something that you decide you don't like after trying it.
In the long term I think booster sales would be fine, after all no one is going to have even the basics of their build done on day one
Look at it this way, Player X has a way to go to finish his build so he buys a bunch of boosters to get him there
The grind is exhausting but his build is finished and hes happy until boredom and the desire to change up his playstyle kicks in
With respecs he has options aside from a booster and options are a good thing, so he buys a respec and changes his build to something else but after a while boredom kicks in again and hes locked to one thing not having enough SP yet to have two full builds, so he buys another respec and maybe a few boosters so he can have more than one full build
Im rambling a bit but you see where Im going with this right |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:43:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:I don't believe this thread was about future content and 'wasted' SP, but more about changing your mind on your skills. You're referring to a completely different topic. In response to future content, I'm hoping CCP will do partial respecs for the skills that were 'forced' to give the option to use the future skills. That's not a bad idea. Changing your mind, and respeccing is. Not completely different, its related and falls under the umbrella of why respecs are good or bad whether they are full or partial Anyway as for changing your mind and respeccing I dont see how it is bad, aside from all the weapon and suit issues and potential build mistakes variety is the spice of life and even just knowing they could potentially change would do a lot towards player retention I think which is something I believe outweighs some people constantly buying respecs to skill into whatever flavor of the month people find I'm just going to have to agree with you and abandon thread. My mind literally cannot piece together your post, without any punctuation. Good discussion up until then, though. Have a +1
One run on sentence is overwhelming? |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 10:47:00 -
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Ah, I quit smoking and remember how much of a ***** it was so you have my sympathy |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:27:00 -
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Jaqen I was trying to say that with an optional respec a player might end up spending more money than they would if boosters remained the sole option
Its a cycle of respec > bored > respec > bored > respec while also potentially buying boosters to more quickly get another build going so boredom doesnt kick in as often
Theres a lot of dumb people out there willing to throw money at things if they are packaged right, look at the people that spent hundreds of dollars on this game while it was still in beta |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:31:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Jaqen I was trying to say that with an optional respec a player might end up spending more money than they would if boosters remained the sole option
Its a cycle of respec > bored > respec > bored > respec while also potentially buying boosters to more quickly get another build going so boredom doesnt kick in as often
Theres a lot of dumb people out there willing to throw money at things if they are packaged right, look at the people that spent hundreds of dollars on this game while it was still in beta Sean Decker, is that you?
Nope, just another scrub trying to show everyone the joys of Caldari culture |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:37:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Jaqen I was trying to say that with an optional respec a player might end up spending more money than they would if boosters remained the sole option
Its a cycle of respec > bored > respec > bored > respec while also potentially buying boosters to more quickly get another build going so boredom doesnt kick in as often
Theres a lot of dumb people out there willing to throw money at things if they are packaged right, look at the people that spent hundreds of dollars on this game while it was still in beta True, but there are also many players who will not tolerate becoming bored with a game a second, or third, time and will just quit rather than throw more money at it to keep it interesting for another week or two. So you'd end up with some short-term gain from the dumb people, at the expense of long-term player retention.
True but I cant imagine those players would stay long in the first place seeing as it takes millions of SP to skill yourself out now |
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Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:40:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Nope, just another scrub trying to show everyone the joys of Caldari culture
Now, I want you to read that again: Delta 749 wrote:
the joys of Caldari culture
You want me to do this, don't you?
What, you dont like corporate backstabbing and cheap *******? |
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