[quote=Zeylon Rho]

Well I know for certain the TAR can't charge up and 1 shot a adv suit, might be a balancing thing I don't know.

Even the assault scrambler is worse than the standard AR at range, due to higher kick when scoped (i.e. the exact situation where a scrambler is meant to be better than an AR)

...then why does the blaster-tech mimic-gun/knock-off have better optimal and max range than the actual scrambler (pulse laser)? You apparently adjusted the Scrambler Rifle range in this last patch, but you left the range advantage squarely with the "shortest range" tech.

Duvolle-TAR: 65 optimal, 100 max range.
Imperial-Scr: 50 optimal, 87 max range.

You gave the blaster trying to mimic the superior technology/gun-type a 30% range advantage on optimal and 15% range advantage on max.

Unless you're going to release a "OMG-SUPER-TACTICAL-SCRAMBLER" Rifle that gets better range, I don't know what the hell you were thinking here. It seems to fly against exactly what you've stated your aims were in creating variants and having techs behave in a certain way. It's one thing if they make a variety of Blaster that has higher range the average blaster, it's another if it's superior in range to the tech and type it's supposed to be a knock-off of.

The ASR is better than the AR though. They should add the Rail Rifle and the Combat Rifle and remove all variants until the normal rifles are balanced.

The AR is more accurate, but it may be that adjustments need to be made either way. The point is, at no point should the "blaster"'s long range be better than the "pulse laser's" long range option.

It's like if they made two models of car, a race-car and an off-road vehicle, but they made it so the off-road was also the fastest. Because F'you, that's why. It doesn't make sense.

The AR should be the best short range-high damage rifle, and it's possible the ASCR needs tweaking of it's own. There are other issues here (like the Scrambler Passive not doing anything for the assault version). I've also heard the heat build on Scramblers is per-second instead of per-shot, which makes for some possible balance issues. If that were altered, it's heat build might get higher much quicker, and a heat reduction passive would make even more sense at that point.

It seems odd that the range is so far skewed still even RIGHT after they "fixed" ranges. Blaster hackjob = longer range than the pulse laser weapon that's made specifically for range? How did that make sense even AFTER they were fixing ranges?

Longest range blaster rifle = longer range than longest range pulse laser? It makes no sense.

Swapping the ranges seems reasonable.

...then why does the blaster-tech mimic-gun/knock-off have better optimal and max range than the actual scrambler (pulse laser)? You apparently adjusted the Scrambler Rifle range in this last patch, but you left the range advantage squarely with the "shortest range" tech.

Duvolle-TAR: 65 optimal, 100 max range.
Imperial-Scr: 50 optimal, 87 max range.

You gave the blaster trying to mimic the superior technology/gun-type a 30% range advantage on optimal and 15% range advantage on max.

Unless you're going to release a "OMG-SUPER-TACTICAL-SCRAMBLER" Rifle that gets better range, I don't know what the hell you were thinking here. It seems to fly against exactly what you've stated your aims were in creating variants and having techs behave in a certain way. It's one thing if they make a variety of Blaster that has higher range the average blaster, it's another if it's superior in range to the tech and type it's supposed to be a knock-off of.

You sir are mistaken, the rail rifle and combat rifle have yet to be released and so although the TAC AR is not accurately reflecting the scrambler rifle it is not meant to. BTW in response to your request for more range I say buff my TAC AR ROF to 500 so my gun stops jamming.

I like how this discussion is continuing. Uprising 1.3 is slated to have a lot of balancing; hopefully some tweaks like this will sneak in as well.

I think they could probably do this with a hotfix, 1.3's contents are supposedly already "fixed" because it was submitted a long time ago now. That means they already know what's coming, it's just a trickly of knowledge as far as what will actually be changed (Amarr suit changes, etc.).

No weapon changes in 1.3?

These seems more ironic in context of them announcing their vision for how the weapons compare, and having weapons blatant ignore the distinctions (TAR vs. Scrambler) in the same post. They really loathe the Amarr. Or love the AR. Or both.

I dont think that the TAC needs another nerf. Its more likely that the scrambler rifle needs a buff in terms of range. Apart from that both weapons are balanced cause the TAC has a slower rate of fire and a smaller clip while the scrambler has the overheat function to prevent you from abusing it.

I would even be okay with both of them having the longer range.

It's always nice to see how CCP has this very firm vision of what Dust 514 is supposed to be like.

And then it's disheartening to see that the game as it is being played on the servers right now runs directly against that vision.

This is even more true since they demonstrated before that they con hotfix this type of thing. But then for some reason they choose to ignore this bit.