So.... your dream is to want HAVs to constantly Redline Snipe?

AV Nades should be removed or seriously nerfed, like almost all other AV weapons they require no skill, but except these can be carried around by a Cal Logi packing a Duvolle.

Like red line sniping takes this "skill" you speak of?

I wish there was a way I could start a crusade in which EVERYONE runs AV grenades 24/7. Could you imagine how peaceful the Dust world would be once all vehicle operators have a constant fear of not being able to call in their vehicles due to constant AV pressure at all times. Make them run the red line and play the outskirts of the maps with fear of joining the front lines due to constant AV pressure...... It may seem like a dream, but we can make this a reality

Dust 514 : The Importance Of AV Grenades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

Like red line sniping takes this "skill" you speak of?

That guy in the video basically states why AV grenades need to be nerfed / removed - Why run a swarm launcher and hinder yourself when you can have an assault rifle with some AV grenades?

The problem is more that the swarm is hilariously bad. The rocket spread usually means that other than completely open terrain that at least on rocket will find a crate to run into instead, you're stuck in Los of the tAnk to kill you and you're totally worthless against any shield tank.

While av grenades are mostly pointless against non militia shield tanking vehicles, you can at least toss them from cover and use them quicker. Though you're mostly useless against ds unless they get a little too aggressive in ground hunting.

The current confusion in tankers is that while armor beats shields, nearly all infantry av is anti armor. So they turn to the forums when they get over run with av shooting them in their weak spot. Introducing some form of shield av for infantry might actually help since itll thin down the armor av and as a plus thin out the logi lav spam.

The problem is more that the swarm is hilariously bad. The rocket spread usually means that other than completely open terrain that at least on rocket will find a crate to run into instead, you're stuck in Los of the tAnk to kill you and you're totally worthless against any shield tank.

While av grenades are mostly pointless against non militia shield tanking vehicles, you can at least toss them from cover and use them quicker. Though you're mostly useless against ds unless they get a little too aggressive in ground hunting.

The current confusion in tankers is that while armor beats shields, nearly all infantry av is anti armor. So they turn to the forums when they get over run with av shooting them in their weak spot. Introducing some form of shield av for infantry might actually help since itll thin down the armor av and as a plus thin out the logi lav spam.

Nerf LAV's then nerf AV grenades.

No, we complain that the two forms of AV that are most effective, are auto targeting, and get a damage bonus against armor. We complain because they're so stupidly damn effective.

Ok..no auto target..but bigger payload?

Perfectly fine with me.

Perfectly fine with me.

i also agree, but still give it very little tracking,

There should be an increase in tracking capability concurrent with the meta level. Militia grade, very little/stupid tracking. ADV, decent tracking but ditches about 35% of the time with little tracked-player input. PRO level, good tracking, tracked player needs to actively evade. Also, auto explosion needs to remain.