So.... your dream is to want HAVs to constantly Redline Snipe?

AV Nades should be removed or seriously nerfed, like almost all other AV weapons they require no skill, but except these can be carried around by a Cal Logi packing a Duvolle.

Like red line sniping takes this "skill" you speak of?

I wish there was a way I could start a crusade in which EVERYONE runs AV grenades 24/7. Could you imagine how peaceful the Dust world would be once all vehicle operators have a constant fear of not being able to call in their vehicles due to constant AV pressure at all times. Make them run the red line and play the outskirts of the maps with fear of joining the front lines due to constant AV pressure...... It may seem like a dream, but we can make this a reality

Dust 514 : The Importance Of AV Grenades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

Like red line sniping takes this "skill" you speak of?

That guy in the video basically states why AV grenades need to be nerfed / removed - Why run a swarm launcher and hinder yourself when you can have an assault rifle with some AV grenades?

The problem is more that the swarm is hilariously bad. The rocket spread usually means that other than completely open terrain that at least on rocket will find a crate to run into instead, you're stuck in Los of the tAnk to kill you and you're totally worthless against any shield tank.

While av grenades are mostly pointless against non militia shield tanking vehicles, you can at least toss them from cover and use them quicker. Though you're mostly useless against ds unless they get a little too aggressive in ground hunting.

The current confusion in tankers is that while armor beats shields, nearly all infantry av is anti armor. So they turn to the forums when they get over run with av shooting them in their weak spot. Introducing some form of shield av for infantry might actually help since itll thin down the armor av and as a plus thin out the logi lav spam.

The problem is more that the swarm is hilariously bad. The rocket spread usually means that other than completely open terrain that at least on rocket will find a crate to run into instead, you're stuck in Los of the tAnk to kill you and you're totally worthless against any shield tank.

While av grenades are mostly pointless against non militia shield tanking vehicles, you can at least toss them from cover and use them quicker. Though you're mostly useless against ds unless they get a little too aggressive in ground hunting.

The current confusion in tankers is that while armor beats shields, nearly all infantry av is anti armor. So they turn to the forums when they get over run with av shooting them in their weak spot. Introducing some form of shield av for infantry might actually help since itll thin down the armor av and as a plus thin out the logi lav spam.

Nerf LAV's then nerf AV grenades.

No, we complain that the two forms of AV that are most effective, are auto targeting, and get a damage bonus against armor. We complain because they're so stupidly damn effective.

Ok..no auto target..but bigger payload?

Perfectly fine with me.

Perfectly fine with me.

i also agree, but still give it very little tracking,

There should be an increase in tracking capability concurrent with the meta level. Militia grade, very little/stupid tracking. ADV, decent tracking but ditches about 35% of the time with little tracked-player input. PRO level, good tracking, tracked player needs to actively evade. Also, auto explosion needs to remain.

While I can enjoy the compromise, this is ultimately still just a lav buff. It's incredibly hard to not hit the hav, a hav pilot mightlike to ***** about the tracking but the nades rarely land far from the things.

So hav pilots will still be back to complain, meanwhile all you really accomplish is buffing lavs and giving another, un needed incentive to have even more lavs out on the field.

I still feel that ultimately the problem is that the current hav mentality is to ram all the things because they feel the isk tag price should entitle them to invincible solo pwn mobile, and their deaths tend to be around mostly ramming the red dot line and beingnsurprised when half a dozen av nades land on them.

If anything maybe a Beefier tank class role might be healthier one that gives up extra turrets for more hp so they don't feel as squishy as the enforcer glass cannon frame but have more blind spots from not having the extra two turrets.

That guy in the video basically states why AV grenades need to be nerfed / removed - Why run a swarm launcher and hinder yourself when you can have an assault rifle with some AV grenades?

Until LAV's are fixed, AV grenades should stay in the game.
Heck, buff them, I've thrown three AV grenades at a LLAV and only half it's shields got scratched.

Perfectly fine with me.

Remove tracking all together, make them explode on contact with a vehicle, damage remains the same.

Done.

So.... your dream is to want HAVs to constantly Redline Snipe?

AV Nades should be removed or seriously nerfed, like almost all other AV weapons they require no skill, but except these can be carried around by a Cal Logi packing a Duvolle.

What happened to the good old days where a tank driver knew better than to "rush" with no fear of assault av classes, and expected squad cohecison to take out enemy av and assault.

A tank is not a "rambo" class....and should never be allowed to be one...bottom line.

The lav death taxi thing is just a huge joke.....there is no room for these player types in a squad unless its ambush.

I wish there was a way I could start a crusade in which EVERYONE runs AV grenades 24/7. Could you imagine how peaceful the Dust world would be once all vehicle operators have a constant fear of not being able to call in their vehicles due to constant AV pressure at all times. Make them run the red line and play the outskirts of the maps with fear of joining the front lines due to constant AV pressure...... It may seem like a dream, but we can make this a reality

Dust 514 : The Importance Of AV Grenades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

Ever since the build where tanks were pretty much unstoppable they thought they should be like that.

Dont worry brobro.

Assault rifle + Swarm Launcher Commandos are coming soon....

Umm....no

Their a big different between STD and PRO asset. I hard to take a beating when i'm in my Madruger with is dmg control, armor hardener, and armor rep on. That all of the vehicle are still STD. Please CCP give us at least a ADV vehicle PPPLLLEEEAAASSEE!!!

Make them run the red line

Umm yeah.

Afraid you'll lose your crutch, heck this way you have to use actualy skill to play AV, imagine that?

Either this, or HAVs get a high slot module (High slot because all tracking AV is Anti-Armour) that disables all tracking for a short period of time within a limited range, AV Nades can still damage a HAV, but they have to rely on direct contact, not their tracking.

What ??? So your saying youd rather tanks returned to unkillable redline sniping. I serioisly dont think you mean that. This thread tbh looks like a cod514 promotion cause believe it or not thats what would happen if everyone ran av nades.