Got to play people better than you to get better...
well once you have a good chunk of sp neways

I have over 9mil sp, it's not that I can't hold my own, it's that the blues can't... But they could've if they had the support from the top tier corp that left the battle because they were scared of the other top tier corp.

I see this a bit.

Im not saying it towards you but the pansies that back out.

Glad I'm not alone in this... It's pretty annoying honestly, especially in skirmish, getting stomped to the redline for 15-20 minutes, it's not even fun if you're doing the stomping.

I can't understand why you'd leave a battle that would be close and fun.

Is this really a thing? .

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

new trend

The abuse of the word "P**sies" makes this argument a little hard to get-along with, except i do agree that there are certain matches that have a handful of skilled players while the other team has hardly any. Except the thing i'd have to say about that is that it's natural, every now and then you will come across a team of more experienced players that are more organized and as a result lose, and vic versa, sometimes you will have the dominant team and totally crush the opposition. You can't have perfectly balanced teams every game, that's just a reality.

This isn't new.

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y

3 seperate occasions this happened, all within a 2 hour window.

nah matchmaking is the reason. I have 2.3 Sp spent and i go out use1 or 2 lives then sit in the MCC for the rest of the match if my team gets red lined. I do this because everyone has more SP then me and there is no point in giving them free kills.

If my team is unwilling to win from the start i am not going to sacrifice myself for them...and i sure as hell am not going to sacrifice myself to help the other teams SP WP K/D ratio.

You all have more SP then me. You all have Uber powers that i do not. You all can go **** yourselves.

I see it a fair bit, too. Sadly, most often it's a name I recognize as a "good player" before the "left the battle" text. People cherry-picking fights to stomp, it seems.

I've backed out of exactly four matches since I began playing DUST. Two because the rest of the corp mates in my squad left the game (even though I urged them to suck it up and stick it out), two because I was too damn frustrated with the Dukes of Hazard LAV fest to continue.

It's cowardice to leave a match because the other team has players that can stomp you.

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y

Just another reason to have squadless options for pubmatches.

I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.

I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.

What is the goals you are trying to achieve when rewriting the matchmaking? Are you trying to balance skill? SP? WP? Prototype vs Prototype? Shorter queue times?

I understand matchmaking is very complex, but also you can't please everyone. What is CCP trying to achieve here?

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

LOL I thought PC and FW was your matchmaking fix.

Hummm must not have worked as good as you all thought huh?

LOL I thought PC and FW was your matchmaking fix.

Hummm must not have worked as good as you all thought huh?

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

This isn't the concern. The concern here is that the big corps make squads to stomp players who aren't in a squad, which is the majority of the newer players. By increasing squad size this got even worse because now there are more "good" players stomping everyone in the other team. There are 2 simpler ways to solve this:

-Increase WP to 50,000 for the battke academy. Make the new players play more vs new players.

-Make a no squads matchmaking mode. Those with squads get to play with those who are in squads as well. Those who don't have squads or aren't interested in squads get to play with same random, unorganized people.

K/D ratio and minimum SP matchmaking separates the player base way too much and can lead to empty or uneven lobbies.

-XOXO

Bad idea.

if one team is given 3 high powered (high Sp) players and the other team gets the same what happens when one or two decide to AFK?

You get a pub stomp....and a pub stomp that can be pretty easy to manipulate into happening.

Better to focus on matchmaking on putting like powered players with like powered players then too worry about w/l ratio.

The SP tiers has already been suggested and even implemented with the academy. Why reinvent the wheel for a "goal" that no one cares about when the problem is plain to see: low powered players being stomped by high power players not based on skill or strategy but simply because they have acquired more SP.

Also why is it taking so long? Why are you dragging your feet? Don't say it is complicated because it is not at all. The academy took how long to put in the game? A day? A week? A rudimentary matchmaking system can be put in the game at any time (matchmaking is server side not client side)...and should have been put in months ago.

Not sure you understand what I mean by probability. If a fully stacked team joins a battle then the probability of them winning is pretty high, the job of matchmaking is to recognise that and even the odds. Hence we will be taking squads into consideration when building teams.

K/D ratio and SP are not good metrics on their own for determining the probability of a win.

"with the least dependence on individual players"

I am not the one who designed a game that chases new players away in droves. If you want to put up artificial barriers to fixing that problem then go ahead. I won't be losing my job when Dust is closed down due to lack of customers. You will.

Is this really a thing? Fighting others of equal or superior calibre is the best practice there is. Would think it desirable.

Also fun, satisfying, gratifying.

Whatever dude.

I am not the one who designed a game that chases new players away in droves. If you want to put up artificial barriers to fixing that problem then go ahead. I won't be losing my job when Dust is closed down due to lack of customers. You will.

Bad idea.

if one team is given 3 high powered (high Sp) players and the other team gets the same what happens when one or two decide to AFK?

You get a pub stomp....and a pub stomp that can be pretty easy to manipulate into happening.

Better to focus on matchmaking on putting like powered players with like powered players then too worry about w/l ratio.

The SP tiers has already been suggested and even implemented with the academy. Why reinvent the wheel for a "goal" that no one cares about when the problem is plain to see: low powered players being stomped by high power players not based on skill or strategy but simply because they have acquired more SP.


Also why is it taking so long? Why are you dragging your feet? Don't say it is complicated because it is not at all. The academy took how long to put in the game? A day? A week? A rudimentary matchmaking system can be put in the game at any time (matchmaking is server side not client side)...and should have been put in months ago.

Whatever dude.

I am not the one who designed a game that chases new players away in droves. If you want to put up artificial barriers to fixing that problem then go ahead. I won't be losing my job when Dust is closed down due to lack of customers. You will.

nah matchmaking is the reason. I have 2.3 Sp spent and i go out use1 or 2 lives then sit in the MCC for the rest of the match if my team gets red lined. I do this because everyone has more SP then me and there is no point in giving them free kills.

If my team is unwilling to win from the start i am not going to sacrifice myself for them...and i sure as hell am not going to sacrifice myself to help the other teams SP WP K/D ratio.

You all have more SP then me. You all have Uber powers that i do not. You all can go **** yourselves.

Bad idea.

if one team is given 3 high powered (high Sp) players and the other team gets the same what happens when one or two decide to AFK?

You get a pub stomp....and a pub stomp that can be pretty easy to manipulate into happening.

Better to focus on matchmaking on putting like powered players with like powered players then too worry about w/l ratio.

The SP tiers has already been suggested and even implemented with the academy. Why reinvent the wheel for a "goal" that no one cares about when the problem is plain to see: low powered players being stomped by high power players not based on skill or strategy but simply because they have acquired more SP.

Also why is it taking so long? Why are you dragging your feet? Don't say it is complicated because it is not at all. The academy took how long to put in the game? A day? A week? A rudimentary matchmaking system can be put in the game at any time (matchmaking is server side not client side)...and should have been put in months ago.

I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.

Militia and standard gear only matches seems like a great way. Sure some teams and players will likely always perform well but at least they won't have the gear advantage.

Militia and standard gear only matches seems like a great way. Sure some teams and players will likely always perform well but at least they won't have the gear advantage.

I'd rather have a no squad game mode.

I'd rather have a no squad game mode.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

Where have you been?

Would you like a free trip to Iceland to be made to look like the fool that you are.

Pubstomping has been going on for possibly every build and coordinated teams and players better adept at getting kills will most likely win their matches.

Having militia and standard only gear matches will reduce the degree of stomping, perhaps to an acceptable amount, even thought it won't remove it completely.

Not sure you understand what I mean by probability. If a fully stacked team joins a battle then the probability of them winning is pretty high, the job of matchmaking is to recognise that and even the odds. Hence we will be taking squads into consideration when building teams.

K/D ratio and SP are not good metrics on their own for determining the probability of a win.

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.

It is this mode of Dev thinking that resulted in the catastrophe we now have, after this game peaked with Chromosome. "With the least dependence on individual players". Artificially leveling the skill required to be better at gun game, and making it appeal to a larger player base. Shame on you.

iv being playing the game with the new patch and its a pain in the arse because knew the seasoned players are even harder to kill because they can dodge your bullets even faster and hit u with max out weapons. first thing don't add anything new like weapons,suits,equipment, etc to the game until u fix the main equipment. have all the main equipment balanced before u start adding things because once the main equipment is balance anything new that is OP can be nerfed down to the balance of the main equipment so everything is balance. but when the game is balanced you should only add drop suits to the game so each race has all of there LIGHT,MEDIUM,HEAVY, drop suits then start to bring in the other stuff like guns,equipment, etc.

what id like to see with the matchmaking and should of being done from the start. us should have it locked down to a matchmaking of BEGINNER,NOVICE,SEMI PRO,PRO,SEASONED, and all out WAR for players that just want to jump in to battles with any players

1. BEGINNER - 3,000,000
2. NOVICE - 6,000,000
3. SEMI PRO - 9,000,000
4. PRO - 12,000,000
5. SEASONED - 15,000,000
6. WAR - ANY SP TYPE

then a least everyone with the same SP can fight each other with the same SP then they can earn there strips and go up through the ranks. and if u do this CCP you'l see the game flooded with new players and players willing to put in the time and then the game will get off the road of destruction its on.

and would like to hear back from a dev

SP is a bad system as some people might take a break and end up in a higher tier while their actual performance has decreased due to not playing the game.

No matchmaking system should just look at one individual parameter and start throwing players together based on it. This is bound to fail at fixing the problem.

You can thank PC and the games broken economy for that. The mega corps have endless wallets now. And only give a crap about themselves. They dont even care about the well being of the game. If they have better gear thats great. And if they have more money thats great. Thats all thats going through there heads when teams full of the chumps pubstomping all day and show our new players the door. PC money should not be able to leave PC

This isn't new.

PC money dosent leave PC. You sir obviously have no idea how the system works.

All money made in PC stays in the corp wallet. Money made on an individual basis is usually just enough to cover the losses from the match.

Most of the people Proto stomping pub matches are the guys that DO NOT play PC because they are lacking the skill to kill anyone not wearing militia gear.

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y

If you were actually around for Chromosome, Stabbey, you would remember an elite 3%, who with nothing but an AR, could go 33-1 in an ambush match, simply because they hit detection/aiming was less forgiving than it is now, where any 12 year COD 'tard can pick it up. That....is leveling a once upon a time skill based shooter, that was Chromosome. Now its more like Hello Kitty.

Gear matchmaking over complicate things. What about people (like me) who run ADV suit with proto weapons? Proto suits with exile AR? It separates the player base way too much. Please stop suggesting gear matchmaking.

-XOXO

This please. Gear is irrelevant when you have communication and greater amount of skill (good players) in the opposing team. Any top corp can easily pubstomp a bunch of randoms while using exile ARs. My std LAV can wreak a full team of random players using proto suits. Gear, K/D ratio, SP, it doesn't matter. Stomping will always exist if 6 man top corp squads are playing the game vs randoms. We only need this and more time in the academy, 10k WP is way too low to get out of the academy.

-XOXO

I agree there is no way that will work, how would the matchmaking system know if I'm going to use my prototype Sentinel suit and Boundless HMG, or a Gallente basic light frame with a standard mass driver?

PC money dosent leave PC. You sir obviously have no idea how the system works.

All money made in PC stays in the corp wallet. Money made on an individual basis is usually just enough to cover the losses from the match.

Most of the people Proto stomping pub matches are the guys that DO NOT play PC because they are lacking the skill to kill anyone not wearing militia gear.

*snip for getting too long

you don't get that much passive SP so it wouldn't be that bad at all you stay off the game for 2 weeks you get 168,000 passive SP

and fixed me first post forgot to add ACADEMY

Oh it gos into the corp wallet? And the funds cant leave the corp wallet? From one to another as anyone sees fit? What the hell are you talking about...

Oh it gos into the corp wallet? And the funds cant leave the corp wallet? From one to another as anyone sees fit? What the hell are you talking about...

nah matchmaking is the reason. I have 2.3 Sp spent and i go out use1 or 2 lives then sit in the MCC for the rest of the match if my team gets red lined. I do this because everyone has more SP then me and there is no point in giving them free kills.

If my team is unwilling to win from the start i am not going to sacrifice myself for them...and i sure as hell am not going to sacrifice myself to help the other teams SP WP K/D ratio.

You all have more SP then me. You all have Uber powers that i do not. You all can go **** yourselves.

Glad someone else saw that one.

What's the point in just saving all that ISK? You don't need that much for PC. Less with the coming changes. Sounds like your either full of it or fleecing your corp mates.

I really dont think you noobs understand how much isk was p*ssed away when PC started, hence what I mean by you know nothing and you just sound idiotic.

When PC started hundreds of millions were spent on attacks, some cases Billions. considering a districts pay out was only 8mill a day... WE LOST MORE THEN WE MADE DUMB ASSES. Understand now?

WOW lol im done your ignorance is insane.

Every corp worth a **** has hundreds of millions mainly because the loyal players put it there. What your not understanding is the districts have not replaced the isk initialy spent. When your being attacked or attacking the districts yield no pay out.

If you dont understand what ive been trying to tell you get the **** off the forums, you just made yourself sound completely stupid.

I didnt say they cant leave the wallet I said they dont leave the wallet moron. Why dont you figure out how things work before you make stupid comments on things you know NOTHING about.

I really dont think you noobs understand how much isk was p*ssed away when PC started, hence what I mean by you know nothing and you just sound idiotic.

When PC started hundreds of millions were spent on attacks, some cases Billions. considering a districts pay out was only 8mill a day... WE LOST MORE THEN WE MADE DUMB ASSES. Understand now?

You 2 need to go read up on things in the war room i'm done trying to explain to 2 idiots how PC works.

Quit blameing PC and the players in it for your lack of skill. K? k. Instead of running your mouth why dont you start attacking districts and see how much money you lose and dont get back. Until then, I'm done with you.

Umm 1 of those 3 main powers is my alliance, pretty sure i know what im talking about.

Just another reason to have squadless options for pubmatches.

In my experience, almost never the case.

80% of the time when you see a "good" squad leave a battle it is because a squad member disconnected or someone just Xed up and they backed out to pick them up.

19.99999% of the time they got called to a PC or had some other better **** to do.

the other .000001% of the time may be them being pussies, but... TBH if they backed out because they were afraid of the other squad, they wouldn't have helped you win anyway.

Just "lol".

Nice way to change the subject but none of it was about how PC worked. Not even this thread was about how PC worked.

What about just matching squads with other squads, and lone players with other lone players.

How hard could THAT be?

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y

Yep, this is what you get when the game is based on gear and even worse having to skill up to that gear.


Note: playing people better than you doesn't mean they are better because the game mechanics reward them for grinding. Better means you actually put a good group together to win via strat.

This game rarely displays that.

Guaranteed the premade squad of known proto geared corpmates will win the game. Everyone else truly ends up being carried. I've been on the winning side and it is every bit as boring as being on the losing side.

Grind, grind, grind to the top or the game means nothing until then and then you have to find others who are also already ground to the top of the gear list.

I love tactics and strat but they noticeably mean nothing in this game where otherwise you might argue over what wins the game.

True, but what about 2 months, 6months, a year? You could try the game, decide you don't like it and forget about it for several months. Once you get back in you will have forgotten whatever you learned about the game, spend your SP for useless stuff and get utterly destroyed by people who know what they're doing without even a slight chance of catching up to the way too high level of play anytime soon.

Come on CCP, why not test out squadless options for the modes for a few weeks? I guarantee you aren't going to make matchmaking work like it should anytime soon, I don't think any developer has cracked it yet. So while we wait for you to roll out whatever it is you have planned, just implement no-squad options for each mode and see how it works.


- Limited segregation
- No more team-stacking pubstomps against those not in squads
- Consistent battles match after match; Squads know they will face squads, solo know they will only face solo.
- Easing academy players into standard matches is not as traumatic
- Gameplay balance is significantly increased
- Players in squads have more fun fighting others in squads
- Player enjoyment factor skyrockets which = more profit.


I really miss the days of the closed beta when team stacking pubstomps were somewhat rare. I remember having fun rivalries with certain players that I would come across from time to time. It felt more like a small community and I looked forward to running into these players again. Plus back then there was no blob spawning, so there was a lot more personal 1v1 fights going on, rather than the 1v10 we have now and almost a guaranteed suicide if you stray from the pack.

For the most part, extreme team-stacking pubstomps didn't start happening until near the end of Chromosome, when corps were starting to get ready for PC. And it hasn't slowed down one bit since (significantly worse now due to 6 player squads).


It's great you are concerned and working on matchmaking CCP, but for the time being we need a quick and dirty solution that will have a positive impact on MM balance, and no-squad options is that solution.

I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.

But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!

This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.

Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.

I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.

Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y