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CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:39:00 -
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I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y |

KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
159
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:43:00 -
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Got to play people better than you to get better... well once you have a good chunk of sp neways |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:49:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:Got to play people better than you to get better... well once you have a good chunk of sp neways I have over 9mil sp, it's not that I can't hold my own, it's that the blues can't... But they could've if they had the support from the top tier corp that left the battle because they were scared of the other top tier corp. |

XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
610
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:49:00 -
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I see this a bit. |

Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
363
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:51:00 -
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Or it could be they are trying to simul-Q and run some training matches. LIke we were yester day. Thing is that most proto runners have more than enough ISK to last a lifetime and probably aren't worried about losing proto gear.
I mean I just bought about 100 suits as throwaway suit so I could learn to shield tank again.... that's small monies. |

KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
160
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:51:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Got to play people better than you to get better... well once you have a good chunk of sp neways I have over 9mil sp, it's not that I can't hold my own, it's that the blues can't... But they could've if they had the support from the top tier corp that left the battle because they were scared of the other top tier corp. Im not saying it towards you but the pansies that back out. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:52:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I see this a bit.
Glad I'm not alone in this... It's pretty annoying honestly, especially in skirmish, getting stomped to the redline for 15-20 minutes, it's not even fun if you're doing the stomping.
I can't understand why you'd leave a battle that would be close and fun. |

Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:52:00 -
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Is this really a thing? Fighting others of equal or superior calibre is the best practice there is. Would think it desirable.
Also fun, satisfying, gratifying. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:53:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Got to play people better than you to get better... well once you have a good chunk of sp neways I have over 9mil sp, it's not that I can't hold my own, it's that the blues can't... But they could've if they had the support from the top tier corp that left the battle because they were scared of the other top tier corp. Im not saying it towards you but the pansies that back out.
The pansies that back out are usually very good corps that are proven. |

Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:54:00 -
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The abuse of the word "P**sies" makes this argument a little hard to get-along with, except i do agree that there are certain matches that have a handful of skilled players while the other team has hardly any. Except the thing i'd have to say about that is that it's natural, every now and then you will come across a team of more experienced players that are more organized and as a result lose, and vic versa, sometimes you will have the dominant team and totally crush the opposition. You can't have perfectly balanced teams every game, that's just a reality. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
610
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:54:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I see this a bit. Glad I'm not alone in this... It's pretty annoying honestly, especially in skirmish, getting stomped to the redline for 15-20 minutes, it's not even fun if you're doing the stomping. I can't understand why you'd leave a battle that would be close and fun.
Ya most of my corp just stay in OMS now. They don't red lines. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:55:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Is this really a thing? .
3 seperate occasions this happened, all within a 2 hour window. |

TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1256
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:55:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y
CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:new trend
This isn't new. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:57:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:The abuse of the word "P**sies" makes this argument a little hard to get-along with, except i do agree that there are certain matches that have a handful of skilled players while the other team has hardly any. Except the thing i'd have to say about that is that it's natural, every now and then you will come across a team of more experienced players that are more organized and as a result lose, and vic versa, sometimes you will have the dominant team and totally crush the opposition. You can't have perfectly balanced teams every game, that's just a reality.
Did you read the op?
If you get stomped due to matchmaking so be it, it's the squad of skilled mercs that leave the battle because there's a squad of skilled mercs on the other team and they don't wanna lose their precious proto ****. |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
541
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:58:00 -
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Just another reason to have squadless options for pubmatches. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:58:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp! CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:new trend This isn't new.
No, pub stomping is not new, teams leaving prior to battle to save isk and face is new, at least I've never noticed it before uprising. |

hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
157
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:02:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y
nah matchmaking is the reason. I have 2.3 Sp spent and i go out use1 or 2 lives then sit in the MCC for the rest of the match if my team gets red lined. I do this because everyone has more SP then me and there is no point in giving them free kills.
If my team is unwilling to win from the start i am not going to sacrifice myself for them...and i sure as hell am not going to sacrifice myself to help the other teams SP WP K/D ratio.
You all have more SP then me. You all have Uber powers that i do not. You all can go **** yourselves. |

Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
364
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:06:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:Poplo Furuya wrote:Is this really a thing? . 3 seperate occasions this happened, all within a 2 hour window.
I see it a fair bit, too. Sadly, most often it's a name I recognize as a "good player" before the "left the battle" text. People cherry-picking fights to stomp, it seems.
I've backed out of exactly four matches since I began playing DUST. Two because the rest of the corp mates in my squad left the game (even though I urged to suck it up and stick it out), two because I was too damn frustrated with the Dukes of Hazard LAV fest to continue.
It's cowardice to leave a match because the other team has players that can stomp you. |

CAPN' OBVIOUS
UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:06:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y nah matchmaking is the reason. I have 2.3 Sp spent and i go out use1 or 2 lives then sit in the MCC for the rest of the match if my team gets red lined. I do this because everyone has more SP then me and there is no point in giving them free kills. If my team is unwilling to win from the start i am not going to sacrifice myself for them...and i sure as hell am not going to sacrifice myself to help the other teams SP WP K/D ratio. You all have more SP then me. You all have Uber powers that i do not. You all can go **** yourselves.
Killin me smalls... Sp doesn't make the player good... I can go out and run all mlt gear and do great in a battle, top 3 spots easy... You're part of the problem, honestly. |

Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
209
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:20:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:Poplo Furuya wrote:Is this really a thing? . 3 seperate occasions this happened, all within a 2 hour window. I see it a fair bit, too. Sadly, most often it's a name I recognize as a "good player" before the "left the battle" text. People cherry-picking fights to stomp, it seems. I've backed out of exactly four matches since I began playing DUST. Two because the rest of the corp mates in my squad left the game (even though I urged them to suck it up and stick it out), two because I was too damn frustrated with the Dukes of Hazard LAV fest to continue. It's cowardice to leave a match because the other team has players that can stomp you. In my experience, almost never the case.
80% of the time when you see a "good" squad leave a battle it is because a squad member disconnected or someone just Xed up and they backed out to pick them up.
19.99999% of the time they got called to a PC or had some other better **** to do.
the other .000001% of the time may be them being pussies, but... TBH if they backed out because they were afraid of the other squad, they wouldn't have helped you win anyway. |
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Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:24:00 -
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CAPN' OBVIOUS wrote:I've been getting pretty frustrated lately because of this... I've been playing since open beta and have had some incredibly good battles where both teams duke it out and the battle is super close and super fun.
But recently a new trend has occurred, the pubstomp!
This isn't happening because the matchmaking system is so bad, ok maybe partly the reason but the other reason and most frequent reason is because of a select few, the pu**ies.
Multiple battles over the weekend went something like this... I enter the warbarge and see that the teams are pretty evenly matched, 6man sqd of xxxx on our team, 6man sqd of xxxx on their team (xxxx=good corp) the battles looked as if they'd be extremely fun and close and then the pu**ies get sand in their clam and one of the 6man xxxx squads leaves the battle leaving a bunch of non squaded newberries to face the other dominant and now way better stacked team.
I can only imagine two reasons this is happening, 1. You're a pu**y or 2. You're a pu**y who's scared to lose proto gear and won't run a battle where your facing a decent opponent because you may lose said proto gear and even more so you're such a pu**y that you won't run anything besides proto gear in a pub battle.
Ok, I've vented now and I feel better but just know, if your squad leaves a battle because of the opposition, you're a pu**y, pu**y
If you can't beat them join them.
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The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
47
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:34:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Just another reason to have squadless options for pubmatches.
+1
QFT
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
173
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:42:00 -
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If the Squad Leader gets DC'd does the squad go with him? Maybe they didn't approve of their Teammates? I have corps I don't like and would never stand shoulder to shoulder with. Pubstomping a bunch of randoms for good WP after you've capped is a valid approach. Not a bad idea, now that iI think of it... Then sometimes, ***** just happens.
Enjoy your big, scary epeen. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
1591

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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:47:00 -
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I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2059
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:50:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.
What is the goals you are trying to achieve when rewriting the matchmaking? Are you trying to balance skill? SP? WP? Prototype vs Prototype? Shorter queue times?
I understand matchmaking is very complex, but also you can't please everyone. What is CCP trying to achieve here? |

Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
473
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:51:00 -
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@CCP Nullarbor
Just curious since we're talking matchmaking and people leaving battles, is there anyway to tell if someone has been disconnected due to network errors or if they just left the battle?
If so, are there any plans (short or longterm) to implement a desertion annotation on mercs? |

echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:52:00 -
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The problem is you win even if you loose. If the battle turns and is no longer in your favor the WP and isk pay out stay the same. Either there should be an increase in isk/sp gain for winning or a lower amount for loosing.
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:55:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern.
LOL I thought PC and FW was your matchmaking fix.
Hummm must not have worked as good as you all thought huh? |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
1599

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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:55:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern. What is the goals you are trying to achieve when rewriting the matchmaking? Are you trying to balance skill? SP? WP? Prototype vs Prototype? Shorter queue times? I understand matchmaking is very complex, but also you can't please everyone. What is CCP trying to achieve here?
Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation.
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4
Expert Intervention Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:56:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:I am working on a rewrite of matchmaking as we speak. We share the same concern. What is the goals you are trying to achieve when rewriting the matchmaking? Are you trying to balance skill? SP? WP? Prototype vs Prototype? Shorter queue times? I understand matchmaking is very complex, but also you can't please everyone. What is CCP trying to achieve here? Well the goal is simple, create an even probability for a side to win or lose with the least dependence on individual players. How that is achieved I will write about in a dev blog when we are further along with our simulation. k/d ratio matching? good idea |
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