All depends on who is whining about it and how loud....

I'm confused. Isn't most of this will be fixed on Uprising 1.2?

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

The guys doing the balancing desperately need to keep their hands off tweaking the guns until hit detection and aiming are back to at least chromosome level
Tweaking them while those fundamental things are broken will just mean they will have to be monkeyed with again later on for a real proper balance and it just creates extra work and wastes time and resources to do it backwards

This

CCP how do you intent to balance things when hit detections and aiming are off?

Hit detection is solid, as long as your internet isn't bad. Though, the aiming is awkward if you're coming from a game with more smooth aiming.

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

But you should not do both at the sametime.

Null I understand that you guys are trying to get things back on par, but this type of issue is more like a:

Part A must be achieved before Part B can begin

kinda get my point

But you should not do both at the sametime.

Null I understand that you guys are trying to get things back on par, but this type of issue is more like a:

Part A must be achieved before Part B can begin

kinda get my point

Except that you are not going to see a defining moment like you suggest, that suddenly performance and hit detection are "fixed". They will always be iterated upon and delaying balance work is just going to waste time and prevent us getting valuable feedback early.

What you suggest sounds good in practice but it's just not the way that progress is made.

Except that you are not going to see a defining moment like you suggest, that suddenly performance and hit detection are "fixed". They will always be iterated upon and delaying balance work is just going to waste time and prevent us getting valuable feedback early.

What you suggest sounds good in practice but it's just not the way that progress is made.

How come there isn't a define moment? Surely it's just some bugs causing the lag and framerate and hit detection to be debugged right?

I mean... if it can't be fixed 100% I don't know what to say really. I mean, is it that hard to make a functional FPS?

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

Makes sense. Unless adding more people to that team wouldn't necessarily help it go any faster I say use them all on bugs and performance. I can deal adapt to OP weapons, I can't adapt to game breaking framerate and bad hit detection.

So I'm a dirty mouse user... and therefore my opinions might not be very valid for the topic...

However.. hit detection issues for me are caused completely by framerate problems... outside of PC I usually do fine.

And with a mouse.. I find aiming to be fine... You need to change the settings for the controller and PS move, and then turn off mouse smoothing. After that its pretty much just muscle memory.

the god lock pistol

Even it is currently being held back by the projectile bug, so how can you expect accurate fixes?

Except that you are not going to see a defining moment like you suggest, that suddenly performance and hit detection are "fixed". They will always be iterated upon and delaying balance work is just going to waste time and prevent us getting valuable feedback early.

What you suggest sounds good in practice but it's just not the way that progress is made.

They'll just "fix" stuff until they find a broken system that works for the player base. After we get used to that for a few months, they'll "fix" the broken system, which will make the weapons work "as expected" which will have the effect of breaking them for the player base.

different departments.... why would any other part of ccp stop, have a cup of tea and a biscuit while the guys working on the frame rates etc work on that problem. its nothing to do with them. getting them to join in on fixing a problem they know nothing about would do more harm than good.

different departments have their own problems to fix.

next you will be saying "frame rates are fine, why are you not working on new content"

So we should buff ARs because, according to our feedback, they take too long to kill.
Even though the long TTKs were caused by the boinked aiming system, and not the weapon's stats?

That makes perfect sense

Lets also give MDs a 12 m blast radius

Some crazy hit detection issues with Nova Knives and Shotguns. Nothing like getting a hit indicator and wondering if the spread went around the target or if the game is just lieing.

That being said, Id rather them fix the weapons before the aiming because no amount of aiming solutions is going to fix the Laser Rifle.

Some crazy hit detection issues with Nova Knives and Shotguns. Nothing like getting a hit indicator and wondering if the spread went around the target or if the game is just lieing.

That being said, Id rather them fix the weapons before the aiming because no amount of aiming solutions is going to fix the Laser Rifle.

i have no idea how that in anyway has bearing on what i said. actually i have no idea what your going on about

Then why are you posting in this thread? Because everything I said is relevant to THIS THREAD, and if you think it's not, then you don't understand what the OP is talking about.

Let me make things simple for you, trying to fix weapon balance, without fixing core mechanics first, is a bad move, it's that easy.

There's two guys, both wearing Proto Caldari Assault suits and wielding Duvolls ARs, they're also both strafing in a figure 8 pattern. They spend the next two minutes trying to kill each other before an LAV comes and ends their misery.

What was the problem here? Was it

A) ARs are UP, buff them
B) Proto Assault suits are OP, nerf them
C) Strafing is OP, nerf movement speeds
D) Aiming suck at the moment, fix before any other changes.

Or
E) A combination of the above, should still fix D first just to make sure feedback is as accurate as possible.

or...
F) They can't aim if 2 minutes of continuous fire and still neither one dies.

There's two guys, both wearing Proto Caldari Assault suits and wielding Duvolls ARs, they're also both strafing in a figure 8 pattern. They spend the next two minutes trying to kill each other before an LAV comes and ends their misery.

What was the problem here? Was it

A) ARs are UP, buff them
B) Proto Assault suits are OP, nerf them
C) Strafing is OP, nerf movement speeds
D) Aiming suck at the moment, fix before any other changes.

Or
E) A combination of the above, should still fix D first just to make sure feedback is as accurate as possible.

there is a right weapon for every job.
AR at close range against moving targets = bad aim so is the wrong weapon but thats down to the person wielding the weapon and not an issue to fix. now if you said you were close range with a SM and were missing shots then i would accept that as an aiming issue

Except that you are not going to see a defining moment like you suggest, that suddenly performance and hit detection are "fixed". They will always be iterated upon and delaying balance work is just going to waste time and prevent us getting valuable feedback early.

What you suggest sounds good in practice but it's just not the way that progress is made.

So you're going to deny that there's a problem with the aim and instead go with "get gud scrubs"(It's not the way you put it, but it is essentially what you're saying), okay.

Chromosome had problems but aiming and hit detection were what I would consider in the acceptable range

no i'm not denying their is a problem. i'm simply stating that stopping progression because the few are experiencing a problem is not the way to go about it. having a few more peoples points of view on balancing issues when the majority of people are experiencing these balancing issues will achieve nothing more than it already does.

if 9 people out of 10 say there is an issue with an item that requires rebalancing and the other person is having framerate issues or aiming issues which prevent him/her from stating weather there is an issue then ccp are going to go with the majority. yes there might be a real problem with that player which compounds the problem with the problem item but seeing as the balancing is based on the majority then any framerate issues or aim issues are irellivent

* Increased radius for nanite injector revival

*increased splash radius on weapons to make up for poor server to client performance of projectile based weaponry

Ughh... this is not something that is happening to a few people, it happened to everyone.

They took the old aiming system and tried to make some 'improvements" to it, these improvements made the aiming far worse than it's ever been.

This is not a bug that randomly happens to a few select players, this is CCP touching something they should left alone.

i have experienced no issues i didn't expect to have. and you only have to look at how long the thread is to gauge how much issue people have. aiming is the most important thing in a fps and if it was that bad the forums and this post would be swamped but they are not

They don't need Mintchip to tell them. Aiming is a priority to fix, it's just more complicated than could be done in the current patch cycle.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Aim&forumID=728

There's plenty of threads
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88081
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74613
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75436

Also


As you can see, it is a problem.

People have just grown tired of discussing it since there's not much else to say.

That reminds me, where is our community manager or whatever the hell shes supposed to be?

Beats me *shrug*

Thats really disappointing

i have experienced no issues i didn't expect to have. and you only have to look at how long the thread is to gauge how much issue people have. aiming is the most important thing in a fps and if it was that bad the forums and this post would be swamped but they are not

But... the aiming system... and hit detection...

Like... what if a gun only seems unbalanced because of bad mechanics, such as the MD? Is it the projectile bug that's holding MDs back, or is it it's stats, we don't know, and therefore we shouldn't be making changes to it.

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

Any talks about bringing the Core Flaylock down from godliness and just make it a sidearm like it was intended to be?

Listen to the players? No! If they do anything it will be nerfed into oblivion and become useless, look at the LR. It was fine before, (im not even an lr user) it did what it was supposed to, lots of damage at long range and little damage up close. Not look at it, little damage no matter what range you are at, proud of you ccp

Listen to the players? No! If they do anything it will be nerfed into oblivion and become useless, look at the LR. It was fine before, (im not even an lr user) it did what it was supposed to, lots of damage at long range and little damage up close. Not look at it, little damage no matter what range you are at, proud of you ccp

Except that you are not going to see a defining moment like you suggest, that suddenly performance and hit detection are "fixed". They will always be iterated upon and delaying balance work is just going to waste time and prevent us getting valuable feedback early.

What you suggest sounds good in practice but it's just not the way that progress is made.

So the guys doing the balancing are not the same people who work on frame rate and performance. Fortunately this means we can work on both at the same time.

I would expect to see performance improvements in the patch notes for almost every release this year. It is a high priority for us.

Normally this would be correct. However, I would argue that core aiming is so bad right not that weapon balance would be counter productive.

For example, I do not even know if AR sharp shooter is productive skill to have. The aiming is so inconsistent right now that I don't even know if the decrease in dispersion helps or even exists.

Secondly, I am not looking for some defining moment. All I am asking for is the basics, not having to fight my controller to kill things. Chromosome was the basics sure it could use improvements, but it would not of affected weapon balancing.

Bottom line is that team is balancing weapons on flawed core mechanics.