Ya I think ur just trying to get a nerf on tanks, seeing as you referenced the Heavy armor repair mod.

An associated issue is I've seem some people exploiting the logi lav repper where they can turn the repper on themself somehow, jump out and have someone drive away even, and the player remians getting reps for the full amount of time. This is obviously a major issue as it creates a literal 'god mode'

Not a prevalent issue overall yet but obviously this is not as intended and creates a major imbalance on the battlefield

[BUG] Vehicle armor reps repair 3x what they should https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90289&find=unread
Status: A defect on this has been reported and a fix planned for in a future update.

It's funny since this bug has existed since forever I believe? It's been present since I ran some low-end tanks back in October (I can't remember exactly when I ran tanks, it might have been earlier than that tbh).

Though, what's even funnier is that the reps should probably be like this. If they really "nerf" the reps by fixing the bug both shield and armor tanks will be so bad it's not even funny.

.... it repairs 345 every three seconds..
you do the math

it just pulses in three second individuals

AFAIK it is working as intented.
Interval does not mean the time before next burst happens, it means the length of one burst. So to say 414hp/s for 3 seconds for 5 times for a total lenght of 15 seconds of course. It means that you will get repaired for a total amount of 6210 over the duration of 15 seconds. There is no such thing as wait time before next burst starts, there is only duration of one burst.
Now, of course since it reads "414hp" and not "414hp/s" as it should, it might confuse some people. But anyone who knows how modules behave will not be confused by that.


TLDR; 414hp/s x3 seconds x5 bursts = 6210hp = correct.

A "pulse" giving said hp every pulse. pulse interval 3sec. so every three seconds it gives said hp for 5 pulses.

I have yet to find any repair or booster module that doesn't do X/s even if it is listed as "X" only. Of course booster modules only have 1 second intervals though unless they are remote ones.
But if I will be proven wrong, then I will be really surprised and I owe you an apology.

Until a Dev responds we are all just guessing. Without the code in front of someone we are testing/guessing at the intention and the expected results.

There are two problems in the current implementation and, is common in all software, the documentation is part of the problem. If it is 414HP/s then the documentation should be corrected. Which is not likely, documentation is the bastard step child and last on any developers list to correct.

The other is the balance in game as without the current functionality of the Heavy Repair the Armor tank is nearly useless. Couple that with the several second delay before the Repair starts and the high chance that the Repair tool will arbitrarily decide to enter into a cool down cycle when the driver is trying to get it to start only add to the problems with HAV drivers using armor tanks.

[BUG] Vehicle armor reps repair 3x what they should
Status: A defect on this has been reported and a fix planned for in a future update.

boosters activate instantly giving the hp for the first pulse, then it takes three seconds for the second pulse, and another 3sec for the third pulse etc.

Armor takes 3seconds to start then gives hp every second, even though the pulse interval says every three seconds.

I apologise for coming off to strong its just ive been whining about this for a while.

In their description, they state that they repair a given amount of armor once every 3 seconds a total of 5 times. Instead, they are currently repairing a given amount of armor once every second a total of 15 times.

For instance, the Heavy IG-L polarized armor regenerator is supposed to repair 342HP 5 times over 15 seconds, a total of 1710HP. Instead, it is repairing 342HP 15 times over 15 seconds, for a total of 5130HP.

[BUG] Vehicle armor reps repair 3x what they should https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90289&find=unread
Status: A defect on this has been reported and a fix planned for in a future update.

Hopefully this big will cause them to iterate on havs sooner rather than later, tweak modules and balance and hopefully Regine the muddy control zones. HAVs would benefit a lot from a number of small tweaks.

Since it has been marked for fix I suppose you were right and I was wrong. But I have to say it is very misleading in either case. And the fix is gonna make armor tanks totally obsolete. Anyway, you were right, so I'm sorry. :)



So you are saying that since shields would repair for 1640hp over 5 seconds it would be worse than 2070hp over 15+3 seconds?
That's 3280hp over 40 seconds and 4140hp over 60+6 seconds. On average that's 4920hp/min+1320hp/min (passive) shields and 3763hp/min armor. I don't see how armor is superior in any way? Also Shields take more damage from Flux Grenades and equal damage from Forge Guns, armor takes more damage from Swarms and AV Grenades.
So basically, shield tanks are the only viable tanks after that fix.

In their description, they state that they repair a given amount of armor once every 3 seconds a total of 5 times. Instead, they are currently repairing a given amount of armor once every second a total of 15 times.

For instance, the Heavy IG-L polarized armor regenerator is supposed to repair 342HP 5 times over 15 seconds, a total of 1710HP. Instead, it is repairing 342HP 15 times over 15 seconds, for a total of 5130HP.

you should just stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about because it makes you look like an idiot.

I love how shield tankers want to nerf the armor tank, what's your logic. My tank is **** make their tank **** too. Just buff shield tanks to something of this effect, this bug makes armor tanks good and thus viable. I am a forgegunner btw just think tanks need some work.

Who has said that? I will rip them apart for you. I as a shield tanker push for buffs to shields. AV is already powerful enough where we can get soloed by PRO AV, and that's how it should be as we are in STD tanks. But give us ADV and PRO.

I am very well aware that the only thing that keeps armor tanks running is their repping power. All AV except for fluxes and lolplasma cannons are bonused against armor. Nerf their armor reps by "fixing" this "bug" will remove any repping power they have and will make them even squishier than shield tanks. I as a shield tanker do not want this scenario as it will mean the end of tanks.

il be back when the introduce jet fighters

cya in a year or two maybe.

But then he will have millions of unallocated SP.... he'll be able to max out fighters the day they are released

So you are saying that since shields would repair for 1640hp over 5 seconds it would be worse than 2070hp over 15+3 seconds?
That's 3280hp over 40 seconds and 4140hp over 60+6 seconds. On average that's 4920hp/min+1320hp/min (passive) shields and 3763hp/min armor. I don't see how armor is superior in any way? Also Shields take more damage from Flux Grenades and equal damage from Forge Guns, armor takes more damage from Swarms and AV Grenades.
So basically, shield tanks are the only viable tanks after that fix.

Shields take more damage from Forge than armor. Also, when comparing shield vs armor tanks you need to take into account armor tanks usually have more EHP since they generally have more raw hp and resist. Taking that into account you see that Armor tanks usually need to inflict less damage overall than a shield tank if they are shooting each other, with rail gun fights this is more obvious as a shield shooting an armor tank will do less damage relative to the EHP and an Armor tank vica versa. It's true shield tanks can stack damage mods to over come this, but not without giving up either a good chunk of their raw hp, resist, or both. Now when talking about a rail tank versus a blaster or blaster maddy vs missle logi there are other factors that are more important, namely range dictation, so this is much less an issue. Plus, you have to take into account armor tanks can rely on supply depots or friendly logis (which when I run my maddy I usually have in my top blaster) to offset those figures. I run both shield tanks and armor tanks and I think if this is fixed it would make shield vs armor tanking more in line with what it was supposed to be, armor tanks able to stay in the fight longer against a shield tank but longer to rep unless they use a supply depot or friendly logi and shield tanks needing to use their mobility and quick shield boost to make sure they can get the first shot against the armor tank and if they need to move to a new position, they can arrive with full shields. Now, this says nothing about the proto AV weapons out there and that's a whole other discussion.

I take it you are for this "fix".

Let me tell you what the real fix should be, like it or not. Buff shield boosters so they can provide burst tanks (say 5000 shield in 5 seconds). Buff shield hardeners. Buff shield recharge so it is based on time. Voila. Shields are on equal ground with armor.

God, I love how shield tankers think they will be viable now.

Now, and even after a radical bug fix armor tanks are and will be superior to shield tanks. Armor tanks will always survive way more damage income, due to hardeners, passive resistance and reppers multiplying these. Every 100 hp repped translates to at least 200 ehp. Even more, since ehp follows 1/(1-resistance) and diverges for resistance -> 1.

I love the feeling when the enemy shields are down and they pop with the next shot.

Best thing, just ram that shield tank and it is gone.

Reduce madrugar speed so that it's only 15% faster than agunnlogiagunnlogi base.
Nicely balanced effective vehicles.

on a side note, thank you for finally getting rid of the reason to spec into tanks at all, now that we are going to be nerfed to complete uselessness nobody is going to be tanking except for the dumbsses, and the new players will see how they are useless and not skill into them thus making tanks finally extinct in this game.... thanks for giving me a reasonto give up on Dust 514 and losing all faith in CCP's power to do the right thing.

you OP have single handedly destroyed whats left of an endangered class (im impressed it even took some effort to do with your biased research)...

You apparently don't use armor plating on your armor tank. Yes, please make them slower than they already are. May as well remove the wheels at that point :P