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Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.27 22:41:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Its pretty well understood that logi suits with stacked HP have ridiculous combat survivability, damage, and utility. Most notably the proto caldari logi with heavy-suit level EHP, decent armor, and Duvolle AR. To address this issue of logis not logibroing and generally being better than assault at assaulting, I propose a change in the logi weapon slot. Logis would get a single sidearm slot and NO light weapon. OFC, everyone will just spec into proto SMGs to much the same effect, but I think it would fix much of what is wrong.
I figure someone's had this idea already. Thoughts?
My survivability as a LogiBro is just as high as an assault's or a heavy's. Often a lot lower due to the lack of a sidearm. I do both logibro activities as well as assault activities. If it's the lack of a nanite injector you are complaining about then read this very carefully...if your suit is worth more than mine (and I seriously doubt it is) then you should be more careful and step into one of my nanohives before you die, not expect me to be around to pick you up, if you are dead then so is my bullet shield and I now need to use my rifle not my nanite injector regardless of the fact that you standing in front of the bullets for another 15 seconds may save my bacon just to allow you one more death. Use an uplink, come back to the battle fully repped and supplied and in a suit better suited to the situation you are about to find yourself in sir.
Currently suffering penalties for movement and survivability like a champ. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:48:00 -
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While you may feel that the Caldari Logi is OP, there are several drawbacks all of which you have heard before. The idea that one suit is OP just because of a shield buff should have you thinking about skilling into it not nerfing it. The caldari logi suffers from 2 things that the mini and gallente ones do not. PG and CPU resrictions and one less equipment slot. These things combined make them more suited to be the other assault logi (the first being the amarr with 2 weapon slots). This means they are more focused on survivability to be the one able to rep you or pick you up and do play a support role in every match I have played with them. I prefer the assault logi role played in a slightly different way in that I prefer armor to shields and so do not enjoy the caldari logi. I also enjoy carring enough equipment to help the team more by bringing gear to the fight and so I excell in my role. If anything you should be asking yourself, why is it that the caldari logi isn't a better healer rather than a fighter. The answer is that they probably are a better healer and having dropped their nanohives and uplinks and are now searching for guys to pick up while you came along so they shoot you then pick up their team mate. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:51:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Oso Peresoso wrote:Its pretty well understood that logi suits with stacked HP have ridiculous combat survivability, damage, and utility. Most notably the proto caldari logi with heavy-suit level EHP, decent armor, and Duvolle AR. To address this issue of logis not logibroing and generally being better than assault at assaulting, I propose a change in the logi weapon slot. Logis would get a single sidearm slot and NO light weapon. OFC, everyone will just spec into proto SMGs to much the same effect, but I think it would fix much of what is wrong.
I figure someone's had this idea already. Thoughts? Yeah, it's a bad idea. The idea that somehow, Logi's should be nerfed because Assaults are mad is ludicrous. Logis have guns. They should be able to use them. Flux the damn caldaris if you can't out shoot them. I swear, most of the people that post on these forums from an assault point of view have no sense of how to counter a tactic.
Everyone should understand by now that this game is nothing like COD, not all suits are equal or equaly suited to the task at hand but the Caldari logi is perfectly suited to it's desired role, the assault logi, meaning bullets down the range healing when needed and god help the poor sod that thinks yellow means the guy's a runner. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:16:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:OP here
Thanks for your replies all, I don't mean to present myself as an expert on the topic by any means, and you've raised some good points that I hadn't considered. The light weapon -> sidearm nerf for all logis is probably a bit too extreme to address the issue. After all, if you're in a proto suit with a proto weapon, you should be a killing machine regardless of if its a logi. The specific concerns about caldari logi HP are probably best served with adjustments to the CPU, or if this is insufficient, removing a hislot, as well as a general look at logi/assault skill bonuses. I also don't think all suits across the same class should be completely homogenized (this is certainly not the case in Eve, and it isn't even the case in Dust right now).
I think you are missing the point that we've (maybe just me) been making. The logi suits were designed with certain differences already that balance them. They are fine the way they are, as are the assault and scout suits. There has never been a need to nerf the cal logi suit in terms of pg/cpu or even in shield tank due to the fact that it has bonuses there for a reason, it is not as good in other areas. What you suggest would make the cal logi suit unplayable. Can you imagine a proto suit that is no better than the advanced version? What you are suggesting would do just that. Back off the nerf hammer and look at what it would take to get to an OP suit in SP. Most of the "OP" cal logis are in proto gear with proto mods and have proto guns. Start adding up the sp and you will see it's not the suit that is OP but the player. Don't like it? Too bad. You had your chance to skill up into it too so stop complaining that a player has X million more sp than you invested. It makes you sound like a child. |
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