I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard

there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard

And enforcers which are a specialized tank.

the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes

the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes

They didn't replace them. They said when they put in Enforcers that Marauders have been removed temporarily for balancing.

Then Blam said it would be a very long time before they were added back

first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend

There is no such thing as increased damage on amour or shield that stuuf is in eve and hasent been implemented yet

I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

Not sure if trolling or completely ******* ********.

You're either a troll or very ignorant about what its like for tankers. I recommend making an alt account and skill into tanks to see the massive SP and ISK costs associated with tanks, and to see how easily all that ISK can be destroyed by much cheaper prototype AV weapons.

first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend

there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard

There are weapons currently in Dust 514 which do more damage against armor or shields and less against the other.

Explosives such as AV nades and swarms do more damage to armor HP than shields.
Weapons like the scram and laser do more damage to shields than armor.
Hybrid weapons do solid damage to both tho it seems like they are slightly weighted toward shields tho they maintain high values against both.

Prob a noob from starhawk or PS2 used to easily killing tanks with his rocket launcher in one - 3 shots.
then coming to Dust 514 meeting 1 good tanker or LAV driver and doesnt kill them with 1 AV nade.

If you didn't want to be mean then you wouldn't call someone a moron which is a violation of the rules of the forums. You contradicted yourself also because you can't not be mean and call someone a name at the same time. Militia Swarm Launchers do such little damage to the LAV and HAV that are prototype and advanced. If you had took your time to read my first post then you would know that I have already tried that and have proven your theory wrong. A prototype Swarm Launcher does as much damage as a Militia Swarm Launcher because I took the time to look at the stats. You argument is invalid.

Honestly they need to rename av nades to anti armor nades......heavy shields take less damage from av nades you want to flux shields and av armor .......swarms are anti armor mostly while forge guns are anti shield

Except that having 6 missiles instead of 4 per volley makes it a 50% dmg increase from STD to PRO wich is more of a boost than what most other PRO weapons get. I don't condone name calling but i can understand that people get angry when you make demands based on ignorance on the subject.

Also:
It actually is correct. There are no ADV or PRO type HAVs in the game as of now and no, we do not know what you mean if you state falsehoods based on what i would describe kindly as a lax use terminology. It's no one else's fault than yours if you don't do proper research before putting your ideas up to the scrutiny of your fellow posters.

*snip because of quite limit*

I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

>assuming that I'm a noob from Starhawk or PS2.
>never played Starhawk
>not a noob in PS2
>been playing it for over 5 months now and I have been told by numerous of people in my Outfit that I am very good at the game
>claims that I only used 1 AV grenade on a Enforcer HAV or a Scout/Logistics LAV
>didn't read that I had stated that I used multiple grenades while having multiple people using the same thing as me with Swarm Launchers
>yourargumentisinvalid.jpg

Since the rest of your reply is one huge strawman and a repetition of fallacies you have already been called out on, i will focus on just one thing and rest my case:

Given:
STD=1320
PRO=1980

Determine how many % of STD are in PRO.

Calculation:

PRO/STD*100=x

We fill the variables:
1980/1320*100=150%

Two things

1. There are no Such thing as ADV and PROTO LAVs and HAVs. there are the Glass Cannon Enforcer, or the Radically Annoying LLAV. But there are no ADV and PROTO Vehicles.

2. Why is everybody trying to use AV nades as their Primary AV Weapon? Remember Star Wars Battlefront 1? Remember those Concussive Grenades? Those are our AV Nades. You are Supposed to run from HAVs! Or Get a Swarm, which Deals 1500+ Damage to the Vehicles. AV Nades are there so you can go and Randomly throw them at Vehicles to put a Smudge of Damage on them while you are Running away.

Yeah marauders were good but maybe they were a little op they work a bit different in eve.

And yea the enforcer are terrible considering all tanks have been nerfed by 20% damage.

Same with Black Ops HAVs, which I never really understood anyway.

I mean, retooling Marauders is cool, but why the hell would anyone want an HAV that still only has 3 slots but is supposed to be specced to act as a covert mobile spawn point? People would have put all the SP into them and then just bitched about them being useless.

Personally, I think they might go for Black Ops MAVs. The MAVs look designed to fill a role similar to an APC or IFV anyway, and if they have low Scan Signature and could maybe even fit cloaks, that'd make them a lot like Planetside 1 AMSs, which would actually be pretty cool as far as I'm concerned.

You don't know the rules of the forums because you have violated them and you have no idea what it is like to have 3 people with prototype grenades and prototype swarm launchers try to take out an prototype LAV/HAV. I recommend that you play the game more and put some skill into your AV grenades along with your Swarm Launcher to see how much little damage it does to counter the HAV and LAV. The SP and ISK costs associated with the LAV and HAV are irrelevant. Your argument is invalid due to your close mindedness and bias opinion.

That is incorrect. Explosives such as AV grenades and Swarm Launchers do the same amount of damage to shields and armor. I actually went to the Marketplace on the game and looked at the stats. There is no indication in the stats that states that your theory is correct. Your argument is invalid.

>claims that my reply is flawed
>must be in denial
>must be jealous that I'm smart enough to figure out the math of the equation while having the actual art of knowing how to debate in a professional matter
>didn't bother to read the whole thread otherwise he would of noticed that everything that I've been called out on has been proven wrong
>Irestmycase.jpg
>MFW I notice that this calculation makes no sense and has nothing to do with the argument
>Click here for a picture of the face.

Hmmm. Yes lav hp should be nerfed,

You know, if you Stopped protecting your wrongedness, we could go on to a New Thread and Not have to Argue over the Truth.

You Need to Stop being the forum Police about us being "Meanies" and start to Realize that everyone is a "Meanie".

So, as a Rip-off of another Idiot Forum Warrior

>You Assume that from Experience in other Games that AV weapons will be Stong, and Potent
>Upon Learning otherwise you ran to the Forums and complained with Unfocused arguments and lack of Solution Suggestion.
>I've Been Playing Dust for 6 Months, and I'm still ****** at playing it.
>You Didn't Read the Info About the Swarm enough, or else you would have realized what we already know, and we wouldn't have to beat it into your head with an Orbital
>AV Nades Should Never have been put in, as it gives an Assault 3 Roles, where ever other role can only do one thing at a time.
>Youarguementwasalwaysinvalid.failwhale.xxx.com

IDC whether it has already been bought up here I am FUMING that you think that Tanks are OP. Here is why you are already wrong:

1) Shield is better at defending missiles/swarm launchers/AV grenades but succumbs to flux grenades (TIP) and FG/CA Installation

My tank is only STD and it can take maybe 100 DMG from a AV grenade, why? because I skilled that way - and I have the right modules.

2) Armor is the opposite, better at warding of FG/RG but succumbs to AV Grenades, missiles, and SL

If you think tanks are OP, you should inspect what type of Tank it is FIRST

Skill into the right areas if you want to AV.

Bhavesh

Yeah marauders were good but maybe they were a little op they work a bit different in eve.

And yea the enforcer are terrible considering all tanks have been nerfed by 20% damage.

Marauders in Dust are supposed to be the Dreds in EVE, which is why many people (including me) want seige modules for them.

Anyways, this guy is a joke for thinking at AV is UP and that there's a PROTO vehicle. There isn't one, and They are not UP. Troll dectcted, and shot down.


Peace, Godin

You're talking to the guys who are vets, know the game inside and out, and has played (most likely) every class there is. Please be quiet and walk. And just to let you know, I use ADV swarms and STD AV grenades, and eaisly down HAV's. YOu sir suck. Also, like we have told you, there is no suck thing as a PROTO HAV.


Peace, Godin

It doesn't say it, but it's true. You're clearly new to all of this, Welcome to New Eden bluedot.

Ok, you are either a troll or a great example of Dunning Kruger in action.

I would still really be interested in this math you figured out all by yourself. Go ahead, prove that you're right by showing that 6/4 does not equal 1.5 in the decimal system.

alright plz stop feeding the troll. obviously this guy is one of maybe, what half a dozen? that have problems playing with rockets. damage is affected by whats its up against like shields or armor. nothing needs to be nerfed or buffed. try being in an lav while im shooting u up with missles and we'll see how easy it is for u to evade and not die. geez.

It's been fun, Robinson. It was especially entertaining back when you just looked woefully ignorant, but the whole "6 is not 150% of 4" thing just ruinied the entire illusion. You stepped over the line and blew your cover, but you had a good run.

The "I've been playing for 6 weeks, totally not new" thing was a nice touch, though.

It's been fun, Robinson. It was especially entertaining back when you just looked woefully ignorant, but the whole "6 is not 150% of 4" thing just ruinied the entire illusion. You stepped over the line and blew your cover, but you had a good run.

The "I've been playing for 6 weeks, totally not new" thing was a nice touch, though.

its much better once you hide the OP post because of his love to spam and reply personally to each and every post like it is correct when everyone who has played before open beta at just LOL at him because his post are just that bad.

>assumes that I'm spamming
>doesn't know what spamming is
>should probably go read a dictionary
>assumes that everyone who has played before 5/14/2013 is all "lol" about what I said
>assumes my posts are bad

>assumes I'm a troll
>assumes I have problems with rockets
>assumes that nothing needs to be nerfed or buffed
>probably hasn't been playing this game for very long
>played with multiple people from SVER True Blood
>they have said the same thing I have said
>assumes that my Militia LAV will withstand as much damage as a maxed out LAV would
>mustbecrazy.jpg

I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

You don't know the rules of the forums because you have violated them and you have no idea what it is like to have 3 people with prototype grenades and prototype swarm launchers try to take out an prototype LAV/HAV. I recommend that you play the game more and put some skill into your AV grenades along with your Swarm Launcher to see how much little damage it does to counter the HAV and LAV. The SP and ISK costs associated with the LAV and HAV are irrelevant. Your argument is invalid due to your close mindedness and bias opinion.

Your kidding right? Serious, you don't even need prototype nades or swarm launchers to take out tanks. One swarm launcher is plenty to take out tanks, two milita swarm launchers with flux is pretty much done.

I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.

Your kidding right? At least about the Flux. As a tanker, your weapons have further range than one can throw a grenade, you should use that to your advantage. Also read the post above yours about the Flux grenade especially.

First of lavs : all of the free (aka blueprints) need to be nerfed down to being paper thin short of being pimped out by a good player. If it has militia fittings, it should only be used to get from point to b.

HAVs : armor rappers are pretty op. You can get a tank down to one more swarm shot worth of damage, but by the time it hits, the armor is already 3/4 of the way full. Shield tanks are fine, but only 2-3 forges can take one down efficiently, and flux nades are hard as hell to get one on it, next to impossible to get two.


proximity mines : not sure what damage they do, but should do damage equally to shield and armor, or make shield and armor variants. 2-3 free lavs dead, 6 for well fitted advanced lavs, 8-10 for tanks. Uber tanks needing more, and more players working together planting and luring vehicles onto them.

You know, if you stopped being in denial then we could go on about our business.
>assumes I'm the forum police
>assumes I called someone a "meanie"
>tries to copy me
>assumes I'm complaining while being unfocused and have a lack of solution to the problem
>didn't take the time to read that I had said that the game developers need to fix the problem themselves
>tries to do the .jpg
>fails horribly
>you'redoingitwrong.jpg

If you didn't want to be mean then you wouldn't call someone a moron which is a violation of the rules of the forums. You contradicted yourself also because you can't not be mean and call someone a name at the same time. Militia Swarm Launchers do such little damage to the LAV and HAV that are prototype and advanced. If you had took your time to read my first post then you would know that I have already tried that and have proven your theory wrong. A prototype Swarm Launcher does as much damage as a Militia Swarm Launcher because I took the time to look at the stats. You argument is invalid.

youv been playing for how long? a few months or since open beta? guess what, weve been here since last summer before you even heard of this game. this is Dust 514 NOT PS2, COD, BF, HALO or all the other games, this is a console extension of EVE Online, a MMO on PC in space. you already lost this argument when you 1st posted, and yes I have prof that your wrong, look at all your posts and see how wrong you are since you think you know the game better than a vet does

I want to see how badass the PROTO Marauders would be. I bet that thing would be like 50 mil a peice though.......