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Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:05:00 -
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I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:30:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. Not sure if trolling or completely ******* ********. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:53:00 -
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You're either a troll or very ignorant about what its like for tankers. I recommend making an alt account and skill into tanks to see the massive SP and ISK costs associated with tanks, and to see how easily all that ISK can be destroyed by much cheaper prototype AV weapons. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:08:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.
there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard |
Aiko Morningstar
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:09:00 -
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first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:10:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard That's why I thought this might be a troll post. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard
And enforcers which are a specialized tank. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:17:00 -
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Eris Ernaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard And enforcers which are a specialized tank.
the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Eris Ernaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard And enforcers which are a specialized tank. the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes
Yeah marauders were good but maybe they were a little op they work a bit different in eve.
And yea the enforcer are terrible considering all tanks have been nerfed by 20% damage. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:39:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Eris Ernaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard And enforcers which are a specialized tank. the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes They didn't replace them. They said when they put in Enforcers that Marauders have been removed temporarily for balancing. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 04:56:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Void Echo wrote:Eris Ernaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard And enforcers which are a specialized tank. the enforcers a.k.a the militia tanks that costs as much as prototype tanks, makes me sick just to think that they replaced the marauders with these jokes They didn't replace them. They said when they put in Enforcers that Marauders have been removed temporarily for balancing. Then Blam said it would be a very long time before they were added back |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:01:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Then Blam said it would be a very long time before they were added back
Same with Black Ops HAVs, which I never really understood anyway.
I mean, retooling Marauders is cool, but why the hell would anyone want an HAV that still only has 3 slots but is supposed to be specced to act as a covert mobile spawn point? People would have put all the SP into them and then just bitched about them being useless.
Personally, I think they might go for Black Ops MAVs. The MAVs look designed to fill a role similar to an APC or IFV anyway, and if they have low Scan Signature and could maybe even fit cloaks, that'd make them a lot like Planetside 1 AMSs, which would actually be pretty cool as far as I'm concerned. |
darkiller240
INGLORIOUS-INQUISITION
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:18:00 -
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Aiko Morningstar wrote:first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend There is no such thing as increased damage on amour or shield that stuuf is in eve and hasent been implemented yet |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:54:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:Aiko Morningstar wrote:first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend There is no such thing as increased damage on amour or shield that stuuf is in eve and hasent been implemented yet
There are weapons currently in Dust 514 which do more damage against armor or shields and less against the other.
Explosives such as AV nades and swarms do more damage to armor HP than shields. Weapons like the scram and laser do more damage to shields than armor. Hybrid weapons do solid damage to both tho it seems like they are slightly weighted toward shields tho they maintain high values against both. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:56:00 -
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hybrid do 110% on shields and 90% on armor so yea 20% diff |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:03:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this.
Prob a noob from starhawk or PS2 used to easily killing tanks with his rocket launcher in one - 3 shots. then coming to Dust 514 meeting 1 good tanker or LAV driver and doesnt kill them with 1 AV nade. |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:39:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. Not sure if trolling or completely ******* ********. Not sure if you know what trolling is and I'm not sure if you know what the rules of the forums are because you have violated them. |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:45:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:You're either a troll or very ignorant about what its like for tankers. I recommend making an alt account and skill into tanks to see the massive SP and ISK costs associated with tanks, and to see how easily all that ISK can be destroyed by much cheaper prototype AV weapons. You don't know the rules of the forums because you have violated them and you have no idea what it is like to have 3 people with prototype grenades and prototype swarm launchers try to take out an prototype LAV/HAV. I recommend that you play the game more and put some skill into your AV grenades along with your Swarm Launcher to see how much little damage it does to counter the HAV and LAV. The SP and ISK costs associated with the LAV and HAV are irrelevant. Your argument is invalid due to your close mindedness and bias opinion. |
Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:46:00 -
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Honestly they need to rename av nades to anti armor nades......heavy shields take less damage from av nades you want to flux shields and av armor .......swarms are anti armor mostly while forge guns are anti shield |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:51:00 -
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Aiko Morningstar wrote:first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend If you didn't want to be mean then you wouldn't call someone a moron which is a violation of the rules of the forums. You contradicted yourself also because you can't not be mean and call someone a name at the same time. Militia Swarm Launchers do such little damage to the LAV and HAV that are prototype and advanced. If you had took your time to read my first post then you would know that I have already tried that and have proven your theory wrong. A prototype Swarm Launcher does as much damage as a Militia Swarm Launcher because I took the time to look at the stats. You argument is invalid. |
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Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:07:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard Now that is incorrect. I actually took the time to look this one up and there are two types of HAV which are Enforcer and Standard. I said advanced and prototype but you know what I mean so this is irrelevant and doesn't make my argument invalid. |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:12:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:darkiller240 wrote:Aiko Morningstar wrote:first of all, not to be mean but...are u a moron? i mean come on use militia swarms on on the vehichles for one. two AV aint gonna work on all of em. caldari tanks need flux grenades cause they take out shields. AV grenades are needed more on Gallenete because its explosive aka-armor killer!. not to mention bob and weave son! a single proto swarm launcher can destroy a a logi lav in like to shots. hell ive seen cause i was in it when it went critical(jumped of the gunner seat like a boss though) as far as tanks as long as theyre not Marauder level (of which ive only seen two people EVER use to win) then u have nothing much to worry about. its called synergy in teams my friend There is no such thing as increased damage on amour or shield that stuuf is in eve and hasent been implemented yet There are weapons currently in Dust 514 which do more damage against armor or shields and less against the other. Explosives such as AV nades and swarms do more damage to armor HP than shields. Weapons like the scram and laser do more damage to shields than armor. Hybrid weapons do solid damage to both tho it seems like they are slightly weighted toward shields tho they maintain high values against both. That is incorrect. Explosives such as AV grenades and Swarm Launchers do the same amount of damage to shields and armor. I actually went to the Marketplace on the game and looked at the stats. There is no indication in the stats that states that your theory is correct. Your argument is invalid. |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:17:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. Prob a noob from starhawk or PS2 used to easily killing tanks with his rocket launcher in one - 3 shots. then coming to Dust 514 meeting 1 good tanker or LAV driver and doesnt kill them with 1 AV nade. >assuming that I'm a noob from Starhawk or PS2. >never played Starhawk >not a noob in PS2 >been playing it for over 5 months now and I have been told by numerous of people in my Outfit that I am very good at the game >claims that I only used 1 AV grenade on a Enforcer HAV or a Scout/Logistics LAV >didn't read that I had stated that I used multiple grenades while having multiple people using the same thing as me with Swarm Launchers >yourargumentisinvalid.jpg |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:18:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote: If you didn't want to be mean then you wouldn't call someone a moron which is a violation of the rules of the forums. You contradicted yourself also because you can't not be mean and call someone a name at the same time. Militia Swarm Launchers do such little damage to the LAV and HAV that are prototype and advanced. If you had took your time to read my first post then you would know that I have already tried that and have proven your theory wrong. A prototype Swarm Launcher does as much damage as a Militia Swarm Launcher because I took the time to look at the stats. You argument is invalid.
Except that having 6 missiles instead of 4 per volley makes it a 50% dmg increase from STD to PRO wich is more of a boost than what most other PRO weapons get. I don't condone name calling but i can understand that people get angry when you make demands based on ignorance on the subject.
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Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:24:00 -
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Shadow Archeus wrote:Honestly they need to rename av nades to anti armor nades......heavy shields take less damage from av nades you want to flux shields and av armor .......swarms are anti armor mostly while forge guns are anti shield Now, I took the time to look at the damage that the Flux grenades do to shields. The Prototype Flux grenades do a total of 1800 while the Standard ones do 1200. I'm going to have to start using these and I'm glad you pointed this out to me as it will help me destroy the shields but the LAV and HAV can easily just have their shields regenerated. Planetside 2 never had any shields on their vehicles so it is tough to take out a vehicle in the first place so they need to take shields out of the game for vehicles in order to balance this out. |
Newman Robinson
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:43:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Newman Robinson wrote: If you didn't want to be mean then you wouldn't call someone a moron which is a violation of the rules of the forums. You contradicted yourself also because you can't not be mean and call someone a name at the same time. Militia Swarm Launchers do such little damage to the LAV and HAV that are prototype and advanced. If you had took your time to read my first post then you would know that I have already tried that and have proven your theory wrong. A prototype Swarm Launcher does as much damage as a Militia Swarm Launcher because I took the time to look at the stats. You argument is invalid.
Except that having 6 missiles instead of 4 per volley makes it a 50% dmg increase from STD to PRO wich is more of a boost than what most other PRO weapons get. I don't condone name calling but i can understand that people get angry when you make demands based on ignorance on the subject. Also: Newman Robinson wrote:Void Echo wrote:Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. there are no advanced or prototype HAVs in this game. only militia and standard Now that is incorrect. I actually took the time to look this one up and there are two types of HAV which are Enforcer and Standard. I said advanced and prototype but you know what I mean so this is irrelevant and doesn't make my argument invalid. It actually is correct. There are no ADV or PRO type HAVs in the game as of now and no, we do not know what you mean if you state falsehoods based on what i would describe kindly as a lax use terminology. It's no one else's fault than yours if you don't do proper research before putting your ideas up to the scrutiny of your fellow posters. That is not a 50% damage increase so you're wrong. That is a 20% damage increase which isn't a whole lot. The Militia Swarm Launcher does have 4 missiles per shot which comes out to 1320 if all of the missiles hit the LAV or HAV while the Prototype Swarm Launcher has 6 missiles per shot which comes out to 1980. >assumes I make claims based on ignorance on the subject >didn't take the time to read my first post which indicates that multiple tactics were used to destroy the Enforcer HAV and Logistic LAV with multiple Militia Swarm Launchers which do more than 6 times the damage of the Prototype AV grenades while having little to no effect on the shields or armor You're in denial and your argument has become invalid because that isn't correct at all to say there are two types of HAV which are Militia and Standard when I have the proof right on my TV screen that says otherwise. Would you like a screenshot? If you don't know what I mean then you should of asked if I meant Enforcer/Standard HAV and Scout/Logistic/Standard LAV but you didn't so you only assumed that I was stating falsehoods based on what you describe as lax terminology. Terminology doesn't have to be lax in order for some people to understand it. It is not my fault because I actually did do the research and I ask questions when I don't fully understand something before making a statement about it unlike yourself. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
481
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:54:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote:*snip because of quite limit* Since the rest of your reply is one huge strawman and a repetition of fallacies you have already been called out for i will focus on just one thing and rest my case:
Given: STD=1320 PRO=1980
Determine how many % of STD are in PRO.
Calculation:
PRO/STD*100=x
We fill the variables: 1320/1980*100=150% |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:41:00 -
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Newman Robinson wrote:I am sick and tired of seeing prototype or advanced LAVs and HAVs when my advanced AV grenades do so little damage to them. All of the Swarm Launchers do the same damage and do more damage than the prototype AV grenades. It's all about getting those logistic LAVs now since you're basically unstoppable. I demand that you fix this. Two things
1. There are no Such thing as ADV and PROTO LAVs and HAVs. there are the Glass Cannon Enforcer, or the Radically Annoying LLAV. But there are no ADV and PROTO Vehicles.
2. Why is everybody trying to use AV nades as their Primary AV Weapon? Remember Star Wars Battlefront 1? Remember those Concussive Grenades? Those are our AV Nades. You are Supposed to run from HAVs! Or Get a Swarm, which Deals 1500+ Damage to the Vehicles. AV Nades are there so you can go and Randomly throw them at Vehicles to put a Smudge of Damage on them while you are Running away. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:56:00 -
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Quote:>assuming that I'm a noob from Starhawk or PS2. >never played Starhawk >not a noob in PS2 >been playing it for over 5 months now and I have been told by numerous of people in my Outfit that I am very good at the game >claims that I only used 1 AV grenade on a Enforcer HAV or a Scout/Logistics LAV >didn't read that I had stated that I used multiple grenades while having multiple people using the same thing as me with Swarm Launchers >yourargumentisinvalid.jpg
You know, if you Stopped protecting your wrongedness, we could go on to a New Thread and Not have to Argue over the Truth.
You Need to Stop being the forum Police about us being "Meanies" and start to Realize that everyone is a "Meanie".
So, as a Rip-off of another Idiot Forum Warrior
>You Assume that from Experience in other Games that AV weapons will be Stong, and Potent >Upon Learning otherwise you ran to the Forums and complained with Unfocused arguments and lack of Solution Suggestion. >I've Been Playing Dust for 6 Months, and I'm still ****** at playing it. >You Didn't Read the Info About the Swarm enough, or else you would have realized what we already know, and we wouldn't have to beat it into your head with an Orbital >AV Nades Should Never have been put in, as it gives an Assault 3 Roles, where ever other role can only do one thing at a time. >Youarguementwasalwaysinvalid.failwhale.xxx.com |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Doomslaying Democratic League
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:17:00 -
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IDC whether it has already been bought up here I am FUMING that you think that Tanks are OP. Here is why you are already wrong:
1) Shield is better at defending missiles/swarm launchers/AV grenades but succumbs to flux grenades (TIP) and FG/CA Installation
My tank is only STD and it can take maybe 100 DMG from a AV grenade, why? because I skilled that way - and I have the right modules.
2) Armor is the opposite, better at warding of FG/RG but succumbs to AV Grenades, missiles, and SL
If you think tanks are OP, you should inspect what type of Tank it is FIRST
Skill into the right areas if you want to AV.
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