1: no.

2: vehicle users are called pilots here. specific pilot names are- tanker, derpship flyer, lolav driver.

get out.


Peace, Godin



EDIT: I noticed that your KEQ, so no wonder you're making requests like this....

Really? Any game with rpg elements I've played have it, so what ones don't?

EVE Online, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Fallout,

I'm thinking maybe most Final Fantasies, but I can't remember if the newest one did or did not let you.

So yea, basically all the big names in RPG, don't let you do it.

Actually in FO: New Vegas you can and the Skyrim: Dragonborne DLC included a patch for respeccing.

Yea, you could respec 1 point for 1 dragon soul with the DLC. We could incorporate that into Dust, for each battle you win, you can unallocate 1 SP. But you lose the ability of the skill if you go under the required points for it.

Interesting idea for winning battles to shift points around. And Laurent's idea is good also...he says "DONE". Dies this mean it's coming?

Why is this concept so hard for CCP to grasp?

Any other game that has RPG elements in it you can respec. ANY!

Of course there usually is a cost; in game money/gold, skill points, real money, items, etc.

So why can't CCP implement something like this? Make it cost a large amount of ISK or 20k of AUR or something.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

Why is this concept so hard for CCP to grasp?

Any other game that has RPG elements in it you can respec. ANY!

Of course there usually is a cost; in game money/gold, skill points, real money, items, etc.

So why can't CCP implement something like this? Make it cost a large amount of ISK or 20k of AUR or something.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

1 free respec per year. One more you can buy with Aurum.

Done.

1 free respec per year. One more you can buy with Aurum.

Done.

We need one last respec once CCP gets all of the basic racial suits in there, and the weapons sorted and their skills more-or less finalized. That's it though. Never again after, not for ISK, AUR, X amount of time, nothing. The game will never be done, but let's face facts, the game is basically a late-stage beta lacking major chunks of core content. To draw a parallel with EVE, it'd be like the Amarr and Caldari having no frigates available, and the only battleships are Amarr. CCP has to try to balance as they go since they ended the beta way too early, and one final respec once the core skills, suits and weapons are in place is reasonable, and will create more diversity and specialization, not before and never again.

The problem is there is no "everything" in terms of content in an evolving game and the definition of "core" is equally vague. More content will be added throughout the game's lifespan. We will get new suits, vehicles and weapons, each with their own skillsets not just in the next 6-12 months but in five years aswell (for as long as dust exists, really) so "everything" will mean something different every 6 months and some of these additions will become such a fundamental part of the battlefield once they arrive so that we would consider them "core" today if only we knew about them already.

The only possible justification for limited respecs after adding new content that i find actually usefull is "respec for racial symmetry" i.e the notion that any type of gear or niche should be represented in all four races and people should not be penalized for preferring a racial variant that is not yet available. For example, heavy users can opt in to relocate their heavy suit skills to another racial equivalent once it's released.

This should not apply to the release of completely new roles as all players can choose to specialize into that role at the same time, even if it's not their preferred racial variant. It does however apply to any role that gets a racial variant added so once you specced into amarr commando just as everyone else who wanted to play a commando you can have your amarr commando skills changed to your preferred racial variant once. This means that no one is excluded from playing that role from the second it's released and everyone can switch their SP into the preferred race after release so that in effect no one is really penalized in the long run.

The difference to saying "core" stuff is that this always only applies to partially existing roles where some players are able to specialize into their preferred race sooner than others and don't have to to invest the same SP for the same playstile twice.

The problem is that the definition of "basic" is currently way too vague to draw a definite line of when this respec is supposed to happen. Is it after we get racial variants for the roles we have now? When all known but missing roles are finalized? What does "all" even mean within a game that is already planning on adding new content that might not come this or even next year? Respec everyone because eve <-> dust trading including its skillset?

I'll just quote myself from this thread for a proposal that solves this definition problem and can easily be in effect indefinitely without making respecs a commonplace. It has to be said that i am strictly anti respec and that this proposal is not aimed to appease players that would like to have unconditional respecs but rather fix the systemic problem that slow content cycles cause wich lead to the current outcry in favor of unconditional respecs.

We need one last respec once CCP gets all of the basic racial suits in there, and the weapons sorted and their skills more-or less finalized. That's it though. Never again after, not for ISK, AUR, X amount of time, nothing. The game will never be done, but let's face facts, the game is basically a late-stage beta lacking major chunks of core content. To draw a parallel with EVE, it'd be like the Amarr and Caldari having no frigates available, and the only battleships are Amarr. CCP has to try to balance as they go since they ended the beta way too early, and one final respec once the core skills, suits and weapons are in place is reasonable, and will create more diversity and specialization, not before and never again.

we don't. by then you'll be able to run 3 proto suits.

We need one last respec once CCP gets all of the basic racial suits in there, and the weapons sorted and their skills more-or less finalized. That's it though. Never again after, not for ISK, AUR, X amount of time, nothing. The game will never be done, but let's face facts, the game is basically a late-stage beta lacking major chunks of core content. To draw a parallel with EVE, it'd be like the Amarr and Caldari having no frigates available, and the only battleships are Amarr. CCP has to try to balance as they go since they ended the beta way too early, and one final respec once the core skills, suits and weapons are in place is reasonable, and will create more diversity and specialization, not before and never again.

Why is this concept so hard for CCP to grasp?

Any other game that has RPG elements in it you can respec. ANY!

Of course there usually is a cost; in game money/gold, skill points, real money, items, etc.

So why can't CCP implement something like this? Make it cost a large amount of ISK or 20k of AUR or something.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

1 free respec per year. One more you can buy with Aurum.

Done.

FYI you can link directly to the post by clicking the post number. I'll link the posts you mentioned here, here, and here to make it easier for anyone interested.

No, just refund the frame that it was missing from (so no medium frame respecs), and weapon roles (there's a lot that need respecing from this side).

I'm highly anti-respec, I'll spare the wall-o-text here but I could support a suit only point refund in the interests of racial distribution and game diversity. Once the initial line of suits is out however, as it is for medium frames now then no more respecs regardless of future new additions to that frame size. Also no respecs for points outside of the suit specifically..

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Why is this concept so hard for CCP to grasp?

Any other game that has RPG elements in it you can respec. ANY!

Of course there usually is a cost; in game money/gold, skill points, real money, items, etc.

So why can't CCP implement something like this? Make it cost a large amount of ISK or 20k of AUR or something.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

Why is this concept so hard for CCP to grasp?

Any other game that has RPG elements in it you can respec. ANY!

Of course there usually is a cost; in game money/gold, skill points, real money, items, etc.

So why can't CCP implement something like this? Make it cost a large amount of ISK or 20k of AUR or something.

The current structure makes it very difficult to try new equipment and vehicles. What if I want to try a heavy, a tank, be a pilot? New players that make spec mistakes or want to try other classes, vehicles, etc. will quickly get annoyed by any lack of respecing system and leave. I would think CCP wants to actually keep players.

EVE doesn't have it.

It shouldn't be here.

Give it up.

$1 a respec

While i share your opinion of "no respecs" in principle i proposed the solution in #2 as a possible middleground in this discussion IFF we had to have any kind of respec included. I'd like to ask you to look at my posts in this thread and especially #11 for my reasoning as to why i'm not convinced that drawing a somewhat arbitrary line to seperate between new gear that warrants a respec and new gear that doesn't is the right way to permanently settle this issue.

We have to remember that such a solution if it really had to happen should at least aim to solve the issue it's supposed to solve for good rather than temporary. I feel that drawing the line based on the difference between beeing either released or not is not enough to justify a completely different treatment of added gear and in effect will not prevent threads like this in the future.

My proposal boils down to "Grace period for one limited respec from one racial equivalent to another whenever a new racial equivalent gets released".

Pay-to-Win.

I wanted to be an AV specialist running Swarm and AR... but could not because technically it is impossible to settle for 2 ligh weapons... So I gave up on my dream fit, to become once again a logi, because I am more efficient with AR than an SMG, even though I love swarm. Now they are releasing the commando, which would have allowed me to run my dream AV fit, but I can't now that I am fully spec into logi... and I am sure I am not the only one with that problem. So they come out with new classes that makes you salivate thinking.... oouh! That's what I would have wanted was it there to begin with... but you can't. it's too late, and if you are a casual player like me, it's going to take you another 6-8 month before you can spec into what you really want to do. That's why I am in favor of respec.

This is my problem. Even though I've been playing for over a year I come up with new fits only to realize that it's going to take me another 6-8 months to be able to do them. This is the core of my issue and why respecs could be good.

6-8 months to be totally maxed out you mean right? You should be able to get a basic Commando fit going rather quickly, plus you still have all of your existing skills to work with as you work towards your new goal. I don't see a problem with this at all. The way the skill tree is designed is you get the biggest benefits quickly, and the smaller benefits have the large SP requirements. This means most people should be able to get a decent STD suit with decent mods fairly quickly.

The only reason people don't want respecs is that they already got theirs and are maxed out in their specialty. Giving respecs to new players actually gives them a chance to catch up and being competitive by taking their badly spent points due to lack of knowledge of the game into a concentration. God forbid some competition and a retention of new players.

Or we are against it because choices should have permanent consequences in New Eden. CCP can cater to the people who are interested in Dust for the long haul and are willing to support it over the next 10 years, or they can cater to the crowd that wants to turn Dust into Halo and see more newbies retained at the expense of loosing it's long-term support base, and then watch their numbers plummet when the next new shiny shooter is released in 6-months.

Regarding people who want respecs, no cap on SP gain, gear-based pools to keep them safe, and who don't want to work for their goals and invest time/effort in:

This sums it up best.

Or we are against it because choices should have permanent consequences in New Eden. CCP can cater to the people who are interested in Dust for the long haul and are willing to support it over the next 10 years, or they can cater to the crowd that wants to turn Dust into Halo and see more newbies retained at the expense of loosing it's long-term support base, and then watch their numbers plummet when the next new shiny shooter is released in 6-months.

Regarding people who want respecs, no cap on SP gain, gear-based pools to keep them safe, and who don't want to work for their goals and invest time/effort in:

This sums it up best.

6-8 months to be totally maxed out you mean right? You should be able to get a basic Commando fit going rather quickly, plus you still have all of your existing skills to work with as you work towards your new goal. I don't see a problem with this at all. The way the skill tree is designed is you get the biggest benefits quickly, and the smaller benefits have the large SP requirements. This means most people should be able to get a decent STD suit with decent mods fairly quickly.

Oh this topic will never die.
You know if you're proposing spending large sums of AUR on a respec so you can use other equipment, you could instead buy the AUR variants for much less probably while you skill into them.

Actually in FO: New Vegas you can and the Skyrim: Dragonborne DLC included a patch for respeccing.

Oh this topic will never die.
You know if you're proposing spending large sums of AUR on a respec so you can use other equipment, you could instead buy the AUR variants for much less probably while you skill into them.