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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:10:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:1 free respec per year. One more you can buy with Aurum.
Done.
Hey since your a CPM and seem to be in support of Respec maybe you can succeed where so many others have failed to even try. Answer the questions present in the following.
Gaelon Thrace wrote:Cross Atu wrote:To all Mercs in support of respecs please read and respond to in detail my posts #19 & #92. In this thread. As well as post #14 by Malkai Inos. There's a lot of ground to cover and the issues presented within those posts (as well as other posts in that thread) really do require an address before any such idea should be considered for adoption into the game. Cheers, Cross FYI you can link directly to the post by clicking the post number. I'll link the posts you mentioned here, here, and here to make it easier for anyone interested.
There are notable problems created by unlimited respecs (and yes they're still unlimited no matter how often you get them so long as their total number is not predetermined and finite).
I'm more than happy to reconsider my stance on respecs of someone can provide counter proposals which actually adress the concerns and issues created by respecs, until then I remain convinced that they are a bad idea for all the reason stated via the links (plus some extra, after all this is respec thread 1000 or so and it's hard to condense all the critiques of the concept into one area at this point).
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Vell0cet wrote:We need one last respec once CCP gets all of the basic racial suits in there, and the weapons sorted and their skills more-or less finalized. That's it though. Never again after, not for ISK, AUR, X amount of time, nothing. The game will never be done, but let's face facts, the game is basically a late-stage beta lacking major chunks of core content. To draw a parallel with EVE, it'd be like the Amarr and Caldari having no frigates available, and the only battleships are Amarr. CCP has to try to balance as they go since they ended the beta way too early, and one final respec once the core skills, suits and weapons are in place is reasonable, and will create more diversity and specialization, not before and never again. No, just refund the frame that it was missing from (so no medium frame respecs), and weapon roles (there's a lot that need respecing from this side).
I'm highly anti-respec, I'll spare the wall-o-text here but I could support a suit only point refund in the interests of racial distribution and game diversity. Once the initial line of suits is out however, as it is for medium frames now then no more respecs regardless of future new additions to that frame size. Also no respecs for points outside of the suit specifically..
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:44:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Vell0cet wrote:We need one last respec once CCP gets all of the basic racial suits in there, and the weapons sorted and their skills more-or less finalized. That's it though. Never again after, not for ISK, AUR, X amount of time, nothing. The game will never be done, but let's face facts, the game is basically a late-stage beta lacking major chunks of core content. To draw a parallel with EVE, it'd be like the Amarr and Caldari having no frigates available, and the only battleships are Amarr. CCP has to try to balance as they go since they ended the beta way too early, and one final respec once the core skills, suits and weapons are in place is reasonable, and will create more diversity and specialization, not before and never again. No, just refund the frame that it was missing from (so no medium frame respecs), and weapon roles (there's a lot that need respecing from this side). I'm highly anti-respec, I'll spare the wall-o-text here but I could support a suit only point refund in the interests of racial distribution and game diversity. Once the initial line of suits is out however, as it is for medium frames now then no more respecs regardless of future new additions to that frame size. Also no respecs for points outside of the suit specifically.. 0.02 ISK Cross While i share your opinion of "no respecs" in principle i proposed the solution in #2 as a possible middleground in this discussion IFF we had to have any kind of respec included. I'd like to ask you to look at my posts in this thread and especially #11 for my reasoning as to why i'm not convinced that drawing a somewhat arbitrary line to seperate between new gear that warrants a respec and new gear that doesn't is the right way to permanently settle this issue. We have to remember that such a solution if it really had to happen should at least aim to solve the issue it's supposed to solve for good rather than temporary. I feel that drawing the line based on the difference between beeing either released or not is not enough to justify a completely different treatment of added gear and in effect will not prevent threads like this in the future.
I like your proposed idea in the linked post #2. Having said that there's an element that to me must be reiterated (included?), that being it is a one time use. Not once per role, frame, race, or any other effect. One time.
So long as respecs are not a repeatable mechanics they avoid most of the issues I've raised in the other threads as soon as they cease to be finite in that manner they begin to snowball into problem after problem with the major question being "how fast".
So my revision would be
Malkai Inos wrote:My proposal boils down to "Grace period for one limited respec from one racial equivalent to another whenever a new racial equivalent gets released".
True it's somewhat arbitrary to draw a line at any point if the gate is opened, a major reason I'm against opening the gate at all, but it's also true that the further away something is the easier it is for a player to save up the points needed in advance and lose nothing from their other investment as they'll still be able to use the new stuff day one with a bit of planing.
In fact saving and planing is specifically what I do, it gives choices meaning and it's part of what drew me to both EVE and Dust. Removing the persistent world in which choices matter and everything becomes a lot less interesting to me.
I admit that may bias my perception which is why when objecting to respecs I try to expose my reasoning to scrutiny.
I completely agree that racial symmetry matters and would like to see it supported more fully, but as vital as I find that if it's a choice between having that quickly with recurring respecs in dust, or having it much more slowly with no respecs I'll take the slow and steady path (at least until persuaded otherwise  ).
Cheers,
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