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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.24 01:18:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:Still not big enough to actually HIT until hit detection's fixed. That's why you don't see and std or adv flaylocks.
avd is fine for me(too cheap to get core) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1734
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Posted - 2013.06.24 01:19:00 -
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I think the damage is OK the way it is, but I agree with the rest of the post. RoF also needs to be toned down. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
474
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Posted - 2013.06.24 01:58:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I think the damage is OK the way it is, but I agree with the rest of the post. RoF also needs to be toned down.
with only 3 shots, rof can stay the same, but make reload time longer |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:03:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I think the damage is OK the way it is, but I agree with the rest of the post. RoF also needs to be toned down. with only 3 shots, rof can stay the same, but make reload time longer
But that wont stop the crying.
If it shoots slower then the enemy has more time to evade and the shooter has to be more cautious aiming.
Yes longer reload time may cause some to be more careful but if you have someone in sights its 123 - queue the QQ |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
215
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:06:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget  hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. Scrambler pistols are easy to use effectively Scrambler > Flaylock Oh and sawed off shotguns have two shots.
Scrambler pistols are no where near as easy as a flaylock, body shots are good on SP to supress a foe, headshots neaded for the damage tho, flaylock aim at ground, if you can miss the floor you are real talented..
A sawn of double barrel SG has 2 shots, not all sawn offs are double barreled....
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Dengru
Red Star.
EoN.
29
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:16:00 -
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The PG should be higher. it is so low (at 2) that 5 tiers of fitting optimization are redundant. Some people spec into minmatar assault partially for the bonus to flaylocks so any nerfs should take into account the 3 million + sp investments into getting the suit, core flaylocks and proficiency. It would not be fair to entirely poop on that in a game with bad aiming and huge sp costs just cause splash damage can be a bit unfair to people.
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Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
217
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:15:00 -
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I chaulk this up to CCP's in-experience when it comes to FPS.
Tell you what CCP should allow players to make their own battles, allow them to choose how they want to play.
Example:
Player 1 creates a Line Harvest Map: No Vehicles and no flaylocks
Player 2 creates a Fish Bowl: All Vehicles and Weapons a standard CCP game
Which one do you think the player base will end up playing the majority of the time?
At least my way people that want to play X will play X, but people that think that X is a cheap no skill situation - don't have to put up with the nonsense at the same time, still giving those that think X is fine; the chance to play against other players who share the opinion that there is no problem with it - can spend their time fighting each other with the cheapest no skill weapons till the cows come home. Would be funny to see all the players complaining at that point....
While I hate to seperate the tiny playerbase even further, I am tired of dealing with things that CCP is doing to ruin any chance of this game providing some fun.
I still get paid for backing out of matches, so I have absolutely no qualms about doing so now when I see this nonsense being abused.... and before you ask I learned that little trick from watching the rest of the special ed corps doing the same thing so call me whatever you like, I am done playing your way all the time. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
548
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:33:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Scrap splash damage all together And there we have it, the real reason people hate flaylocks, not because they're "too good", but because splash damage = noob tube = no skill weapon  Whah, it's so hard to aim my AR
Or you know, its a sidearm arm and having a splash radius that lets you shoot at an enemies feet while dealing significant damage is a bad design decision for a sidearm but perfectly reasonable on other weapons such as the mass driver or forge gun
Tsch, you guys always so eager to blame the spectre of the assault rifle users, I guess thats your catch all straw man huh
"My HMG is bad, its the AR users fault"
"People can blow up HAVs, must be the AR users fault"
"The person at starbucks got my order wrong, damn those AR users for making that happen" |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
198
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Posted - 2013.06.24 11:01:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:The Flaylock is the silliest weapon in the game at the moment. No question about it. Says the guy who wants claymores
So you think the Flaylock is on equal terms compared to other side arms in the game or are you here doing what you do best.. Trolling? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1923
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:49:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
"My HMG is bad, its the AR users fault"
Well... yes, that is in fact how it went down.
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Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:09:00 -
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The flaylock has 3 in the mag... limited range. Best case scenario you are 1v1 someone who has no shields (because you had to use all of your main weapon ammo to take them down) and you can easily kill them with the 3 missiles.
Worst case scenario, you dont have Core Flaylocks. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1924
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:48:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:The Flaylock is the silliest weapon in the game at the moment. No question about it. Says the guy who wants claymores So you think the Flaylock is on equal terms compared to other side arms in the game or are you here doing what you do best.. Trolling?
Define "equal terms"?
Is it easier to use? Yes
Is it more rewarding? That depends on the players skill level
The flaylock is a low skill high rewards weapon, whether that is broken or not depends on whether the game has weapons that offer higher rewards in exchange for being harder to use.
Does the game have such a thing? Why yes, yes it does.
A proto scambler does 88 a hit, when you factor in their 450% headshot bonus, that number skyrockets to 396 per head shot. 396 compared to the flaylock's 239 direct hit damage. Now, while that bonus might be nearly useless for a noob with poor aim, in that hands of a skilled player it is a very dangerous thing.
Are the rewards proportional to skill required to use them? No, I'd say landing a headshot with the scrambler is about 10x harder than shooting at someones feet, the rewards aren't even 2x, but that is how it should be. you see, what developers are doing when they introduce "noob tubes" is "balancing for skill", the noob tubes are there for a reason, they're there to give noobs a fighting chance against the pros.
You can watch this video if you'd like to know more about balancing for skill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w
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