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N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 471	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:28:00 - [1] - Quote So ok, The flaylock some love it some hate it. I personally find that it needs a rebalance just a slight one though. So heres my experience with it, and keep in mind i'm a heavy, i use it as my sidearm. It's pretty easy to get kills with it, too easy some would say, and this is because the splash damage is just too high. When compared to a Mass Driver or missle turrets there better then both. I suggest increasing direct hit damage to around 500 maybe? Rough guess, thats proto level btw. Reducing splash damage by 30-50% Increasing CPU and PG requirements to make it in line with SMG's and Scrambler pistols. I don't know if the extra 25% splash makes it really good or not, i only have ADV level currently Heres how these weapons should work Flaylock very high direct hit damage low splash damage. Medium splash radius Mass Driver medium direct hit damage medium splash damage Huge splash radius, it is a support weapon Missle turrets medium direct damage, medium-high splash damage medium-high splash radius. Feel free to share your own balancing opinions Thanks -N1ck
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 471	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote No one else has any opinions?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1260	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:01:00 - [3] - Quote 500 direct damage on the flaylock? Are you completely insane?
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 471	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 500 direct damage on the flaylock? Are you completely insane? Just rough numbers.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught 229	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:46:00 - [5] - Quote I think the flaylock is kind if the opposite of the SMG. The smg works well with no skill point invested into it (of course its even better with points into, but you get what I mean) The flaylock is not too good at the beginning, but once you put some points in and get the aiming down, it becomes a beast. MY opinion is, its a good weapon aat higher tiers but suffers otherwise. Balance the core by raising the PG requirement.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 194	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:47:00 - [6] - Quote The Flaylock is the silliest weapon in the game at the moment. No question about it.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 116	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:51:00 - [7] - Quote The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 215	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:28:00 - [8] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 473	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:33:00 - [9] - Quote it does need additional pg requirements to bring it in line, i agree with that
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:35:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. I would like CCP to comment first - and why would you want it to be like that when we already have shotguns??? What is so funny are the nerfs that you guys want will render the weapon near useless and you point to MD like if that works fine. As some sensible people have said - lower ROF, slight reduction in splash damage.

Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:39:00 - [11] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: it does need additional pg requirements to bring it in line, i agree with that Doesnt the Plasma Cannon also have the same styled CPU/G layout with minimum PG CCP should also explain why they have chosen that setup as there might be some reasoning for certain gear combinations.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 359	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:41:00 - [12] - Quote Core Flaylock is far better than a Cala's SMG. Yeah that makes sense. It also has the fastest base reload time in the game, for those who like to point out that it only has 3 rounds in a mag. Not to mention 3 rounds is significantly less of a hindrance when you don't even need to hit your target.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 999	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:41:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. It requires more than "a shot in the general direction". Do you understand splash damage? also scrambler pistol is not hard to use effectively at all.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 473	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:55:00 - [14] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. It requires more than "a shot in the general direction". Do you understand splash damage? also scrambler pistol is not hard to use effectively at all. But it still is too easy to get a kill just by shooting the feet.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:09:00 - [15] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. It requires more than "a shot in the general direction". Do you understand splash damage? also scrambler pistol is not hard to use effectively at all. But it still is too easy to get a kill just by shooting the feet. We have murder taxis and remote explosives - all need no to little SP and kill just as easy or easier.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1876	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:12:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: The Flaylock is the silliest weapon in the game at the moment. No question about it. Says the guy who wants claymores
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 421	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:14:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. Scrambler pistols are easy to use effectively Scrambler > Flaylock
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1876	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:16:00 - [18] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: The only balancing it needs is bringing PG usage in line with other sidearms. Its drawbacks (range, small clip size, only 3 shots, slow flight time of bullets, not all that effective against shields, ...) make up for its advantages. If you compare DPS with other sidearms, you'll notice it's already really well balanced. High damage per shot, but due to more frequent reloading, its DPS is in line with other sidearms....which is something a lot of whiners conveniently forget hardly, scrambler pistol requires perfect accurate to generate any real DPS, smg requires bullets to hit, which isnt the guns style, nova knifes require sleeping enemies, flaylock requires a shot in the general direct. I'd like to see it be more like a sawnoff shotgun, 1 very powerful shot, effective within say 10m, but then a reload. It requires more than "a shot in the general direction". Do you understand splash damage? also scrambler pistol is not hard to use effectively at all. But it still is too easy to get a kill just by shooting the feet. At feet is not the same as "general direction"
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1876	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:21:00 - [19] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler pistols are easy to use effectively It's only a matter of time before people start talking about "exploiting headshots"
LAZOZAROW RONIN EMPIRE DOMINION 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:52:00 - [20] - Quote If u use the faylock why in the world would you start a thread an put it on blast? An if you got killed by it I can see why you would complain, but if you get lured in buy a guy smart enough to make you think he's a easy target then he lights ur feet up wit it that's ur fault! Their missiles not grenades like the mass driver it's supposed to be used that way direct hits ussually wiz past people . It's a sneaky weapon for sneaky tactics I say leave it where it is since I just specked into it ;)

ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 299	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: So ok, The flaylock some love it some hate it. I personally find that it needs a rebalance just a slight one though. So heres my experience with it, and keep in mind i'm a heavy, i use it as my sidearm. It's pretty easy to get kills with it, too easy some would say, and this is because the splash damage is just too high. When compared to a Mass Driver or missle turrets there better then both. I suggest increasing direct hit damage to around 500 maybe? Rough guess, thats proto level btw. Reducing splash damage by 30-50% Increasing CPU and PG requirements to make it in line with SMG's and Scrambler pistols. I don't know if the extra 25% splash makes it really good or not, i only have ADV level currently Heres how these weapons should work Flaylock very high direct hit damage low splash damage. Medium splash radius Mass Driver medium direct hit damage medium splash damage Huge splash radius, it is a support weapon Missle turrets medium direct damage, medium-high splash damage medium-high splash radius. Feel free to share your own balancing opinions Thanks -N1ck Oh God just sticking to being a fanboi LOLOLOLOLOL
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 541	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:19:00 - [22] - Quote Scrap splash damage all together
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 227	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:26:00 - [23] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: The fact that a militia shotgun does the same thing for (mostly) free is clearly lost on people hating on the flaylock. Those are the people who've never actually fired it of course. P.S. Militia shotty's get 6 rounds to OHKO you with. = ) ...but by all means, remove the flaylock and give my my SP back. When I'm shooting your face off with a protopistol, do the same with that. I'll move to the SMG... eventually we won't have sidearms. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Kinda like this game but there's something you should know... I just came to say hello
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1876	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:30:00 - [24] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Scrap splash damage all together And there we have it, the real reason people hate flaylocks, not because they're "too good", but because splash damage = noob tube = no skill weapon Whah, it's so hard to aim my AR
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 401	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:43:00 - [25] - Quote even with prof 3 and a proto flaylock i can't drop the shields on most caldari assault. even militia gear takes two shots, what weapon in the game at proto level takes 2/3rds a magazine to kill a militia suit?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1876	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:45:00 - [26] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: even with prof 3 and a proto flaylock i can't drop the shields on most caldari assault. even militia gear takes two shots, what weapon in the game at proto level takes 2/3rds a magazine to kill a militia suit? The plasma cannon I believe.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:12:00 - [27] - Quote All flaylocks should be 1m blast radius, 2 is pushing it just drop a compact nano hive and se how big 2m is..
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 228	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:14:00 - [28] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: All flaylocks should be 1m blast radius, 2 is pushing it just drop a compact nano hive and se how big 2m is.. Fix hit detection and you can have your meter back. You do realize how small a meter is right?
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:16:00 - [29] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: All flaylocks should be 1m blast radius, 2 is pushing it just drop a compact nano hive and se how big 2m is.. Fix hit detection and you can have your meter back. You do realize how small a meter is right? yes but with the skills it gets bigger so it not really 1 m,but not over killing to 2m
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 228	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:17:00 - [30] - Quote Still not big enough to actually HIT until hit detection's fixed. That's why you don't see and std or adv flaylocks.



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