Remove ALL SP and WP gains while in the redline
IF
The team have a spawn point (CRU, mCRU, drop uplink, objective) outside of the redline.


With this idea people would still be able to fight back if redlined, but redline snipers (both tank and infantry) and afkers would get exaclty 0 wp and 0 sp

Remove ALL SP and WP gains while in the redline
IF
The team have a spawn point (CRU, mCRU, drop uplink, objective) outside of the redline.


With this idea people would still be able to fight back if redlined, but redline snipers (both tank and infantry) and afkers would get exaclty 0 wp and 0 sp

Aw, looks like someone got red lined. I'm going to tell you like I tell every other person who complains about the redline. Keep the default sniper fit. Then counter snipe. Also, I haven't seen a redline tank really do much in a battle, and afkers really get nothing I battle sooo... if there was no redline you'd be on here complaining about being spawn camped.

Adapt or die.

If this is how they want to play the game why fix it.They are playing how they want to play.I still want free lav and I want those murderer taxis to roll just slow them down a little.I play Av and they bring me content.

If this is how they want to play the game why fix it.They are playing how they want to play.I still want free lav and I want those murderer taxis to roll just slow them down a little.I play Av and they bring me content.

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Being killed from the other side of the map without chance to fire back is not fun.

I know that i can just grab a sniper rifle and kill the redline sniper (i do it sometimes, most redline snipers are crappy) but if the only counter to a weapon is the weapon itself the game is no balanced.

As a sniper, being killed with one burst from short distances without a chance to scope in or even lob one of those wonderful 5 minute fuse grenades is not fun.



You mean like the only counter to a short/med range weapon being another short/med range weapon? A sniper rifle or forge gun will lose to an AR/SR/LR nine times out of ten, and nine times out of ten, WE have to spawn within YOUR optimal range.

At least we all suffer at some point from a sniper being on the field, wait for the rail rifles and combat rifles. They may solve some of the problems people are experiencing and considering the fact that the previous counter (TAC AR) was nerfed maybe the rail rifles will be an awesome replacement similar to the Tac Sniper rifle which is a nice inbetween sniper rifle but seems more like it should be in the AR skill tree.

I know perfectly that snipers needs range to be effective, but you don't need to sit in the redline the entire match to have range, there are lots of positions from where snipe not into the redline.

I'm not trying to nerf snipers and sniper tanks, but i belive that you should actually have risks to get rewards.

I know that most tankers snipe because tanks cannot survive proto or even advanced AV, but maybe would be better to actually balance tanks and av, not let people snipe from the other side of the map with where they can just recall theyr tank is a random shot is throw in theyr direction.
I remember when tanks where strong enough that you needed 3-4 people to take them down and they actually supported the infantry. I loved it, it was FUN.

Being killed from the other side of the map without chance to fire back is not fun.

I WANT tanks and people to snipe, but i want them to be vulnerable, they shouldn't sit into the redline safe from the others.

I dont' want snipers removed from the game, i want them to have risks like every other class in the game.

I know that i can just grab a sniper rifle and kill the redline sniper (i do it sometimes, most redline snipers are crappy) but if the only counter to a weapon is the weapon itself the game is no balanced.

Yes, as if ARs don't already have enough dominance over the battlefield and kill feed.

Remove ALL SP and WP gains while in the redline
IF
The team have a spawn point (CRU, mCRU, drop uplink, objective) outside of the redline.


With this idea people would still be able to fight back if redlined, but redline snipers (both tank and infantry) and afkers would get exaclty 0 wp and 0 sp

If this is how they want to play the game why fix it.They are playing how they want to play.I still want free lav and I want those murderer taxis to roll just slow them down a little.I play Av and they bring me content.

@Jathniel, just climb up a ladder into a building if you need to snipe, you make it sound like the red line is the only place there is to snipe.

Building's dont help. They're still just going to get a shotgun in the back, and displaced.
Doesn't make a difference when an AR can still tag and kill you up there. lol
The time it takes for a sniper's aim to stop swaying, the AR has already acquired you, and dumped rounds into your head.
It gives you a "why bother use a sniper rifle, when i'm in everyone's range anyway?" dilemma.

That's why I don't snipe anymore.

I kill "brave snipers" that drop their boots on the ground with impunity using a tactical or a scrambler.
The "smart" ones, are the ones that are setup in the MCC, hidden well in mountains, and are in obscure positions in towers that can only be accessed via dropship... and guess what, those are the same ones that people complain about. lol

The snipers that make a difference in a match, we hate to face, and love when they're on our team.
The snipers that don't make a difference in a match, we love to face, and hate when they're on our team.

This thread is just the same old tired arguing about something that actually works.

another guy who can't read

I LOVE good snipers.

And i hate that the only counter to these snipers is another sniper.

There are TONS of awesome sniping positions on every maps.
You see those extremely tall towers? You can get a dropship and go snipe from there and you will have a better field of view.


No role in dust should be rewarded if there are no risk involved.

There needs to be risk involved with sniping, it needs to be possible for someone to shotgun you in the back once in a while. I don't see why being impervious is necessary. You can defend yourself, bring an SMG or flaylock pistol as a sidearm if you spot someone getting close.

I think you're severely overestimating the range of ARs, or severely underestimating the size of the maps (especially in Skirmish). There are tons of positions that you can get to shoot people very far away who don't have have the range to shoot you. Just don't try to snipe people who are only 60 meters from you.

Building's dont help. They're still just going to get a shotgun in the back, and displaced.
Doesn't make a difference when an AR can still tag and kill you up there. lol
The time it takes for a sniper's aim to stop swaying, the AR has already acquired you, and dumped rounds into your head.
It gives you a "why bother use a sniper rifle, when i'm in everyone's range anyway?" dilemma.

That's why I don't snipe anymore.

I kill "brave snipers" that drop their boots on the ground with impunity using a tactical or a scrambler.
The "smart" ones, are the ones that are setup in the MCC, hidden well in mountains, and are in obscure positions in towers that can only be accessed via dropship... and guess what, those are the same ones that people complain about. lol

The snipers that make a difference in a match, we hate to face, and love when they're on our team.
The snipers that don't make a difference in a match, we love to face, and hate when they're on our team.

This thread is just the same old tired arguing about something that actually works.

You fail at reading
I'm not proposing a solution to Redlining (there is no need, you got redlined, get a drop uplink and get your ass out of there).
I'm proposing a solution to redline snipers and tankers and a way to remove rewards for mcc afkers.

I'll try to explain better.

People in the redline should not get WP and passive SP IF their team have a way to respawn OUTSIDE of the redline.
So that people can fight to get OUT of the redline, and be rewarded for doing so, but snipers and tanks sitting in the redline and afkers get no reward.

Risk VS reward
No risk = No reward

Obviously you fail at reading also. I told you how to counter a redline sniper. Now stfu and color. Jesus, I'm sick of everyone complaining this is to powerful, this isn't fair... Its a tactical game think of your own damn solution to a problem rather than asking for mechanics to make it easier on you.

interesting what happens to the players that just played for 15mins to get pushed into the red line now spawning at base and mcc in the red line and cant get out due to a over powering attacking team. do they recieve 0 sp wp and isk as well lol

thats one way to kill a game.

This guy might be on t something..

I dont' want snipers removed from the game, i want them to have risks like every other class in the game.

Remove ALL SP and WP gains while in the redline
IF
The team have a spawn point (CRU, mCRU, drop uplink, objective) outside of the redline.


With this idea people would still be able to fight back if redlined, but redline snipers (both tank and infantry) and afkers would get exaclty 0 wp and 0 sp

Enemies can't see the same redline you do. Just kill the redline and be done with it.

Enemies can't see the same redline you do. Just kill the redline and be done with it.

Remove ALL SP and WP gains while in the redline
IF
The team have a spawn point (CRU, mCRU, drop uplink, objective) outside of the redline.


With this idea people would still be able to fight back if redlined, but redline snipers (both tank and infantry) and afkers would get exaclty 0 wp and 0 sp