No its be constructive or get locked/banned/

Senseless rambling and ranting is utterly useless and clogs the forums.

No matter how fancy you dress up that 'oh lag is bad' in a 4 post long story it is still not that very constructive.

Now stating when and where lag usually attacks you like on this map with this structure with this mood I get lag really bad. Is extremely far more helpful.

You have got to be trolling.

Anybody can discuss pretty much anything if they just put a little work into their post.

If I were CCP I'd be busy banning entire PSN accounts -- not because of being threatened but so that people who do actually enjoy the game can do so without being harassed all the time.

half the front page is locked, hate is constructive especially for stupid devs at CCP.

No its be constructive or get locked/banned/

Senseless rambling and ranting is utterly useless and clogs the forums.

No matter how fancy you dress up that 'oh lag is bad' in a 4 post long story it is still not that very constructive.

Now stating when and where lag usually attacks you like on this map with this structure with this mood I get lag really bad. Is extremely far more helpful.

No its be constructive or get locked/banned/

Senseless rambling and ranting is utterly useless and clogs the forums.

No matter how fancy you dress up that 'oh lag is bad' in a 4 post long story it is still not that very constructive.

Now stating when and where lag usually attacks you like on this map with this structure with this mood I get lag really bad. Is extremely far more helpful.

No its be constructive or get locked/banned/

Senseless rambling and ranting is utterly useless and clogs the forums.

No matter how fancy you dress up that 'oh lag is bad' in a 4 post long story it is still not that very constructive.

Now stating when and where lag usually attacks you like on this map with this structure with this mood I get lag really bad. Is extremely far more helpful.

You think comments like this have any hope of helping us get a better game faster?

Either go troll somewhere else or grow up.

Carebear.

half the front page is locked, hate is constructive especially for stupid devs at CCP.

If you are using EVE lingo... those are folks who don't partake in PVP. If you aren't using EVE lingo then you aren't paying very close attention. I'm happy to mix it up in the forums -- but that is different than you being a douche and taking out your anger at being impotent on the employees working to create something for us.

Carebear.

You have no right to be here as far as I'm concerned kid, you don't have a name in game and you also haven't been here that long. You're a nobody, CCP needs to listen to those with true talent (like yours truly) So we can tell them how to fix and balance this game properly, with full developmental control I could fix this game in a little under 2 months.

You have no right to be here as far as I'm concerned kid, you don't have a name in game and you also haven't been here that long. You're a nobody, CCP needs to listen to those with true talent (like yours truly) So we can tell them how to fix and balance this game properly, with full developmental control I could fix this game in a little under 2 months.

Be positive or get locked/banned.

I read most of those, they weren't constructive. but if you feel you're being treated unfairly Counter-petition and ask for an escalation.

Honestly I don't think the devs don't deserve the hate. Whomever laid out the 5/14 deadline does.

Huge mistake... Huge

Honestly I don't think the devs don't deserve the hate. Whomever laid out the 5/14 deadline does.

Huge mistake... Huge

Honestly I don't think the devs don't deserve the hate. Whomever laid out the 5/14 deadline does.

Huge mistake... Huge

Whoever had the idea that matchmaking, PVE, and tutorials shouldn't be a top priority should be thrown under the bus too.

Just be glad CPM don't have moderator powers I know a select few individuals that another CPM member would erase off the boards.

I agree another year in beta wouldn't hurt dust 514, HOWEVER CCP does has its reasons for releasing it officially.

Not asking for what the reasons are specifically, but does this mean that you know something about this that we don't?

Again, not prying for information, but if they have reasons aside from "5/14 would be a cool day", that'd be nice to know.

Eeeh? Isn't CPM supposed to represent the community? Don't get me wrong I can imagine that some individuals deserve it...but really a post like this from a CPM member....

I saw some post of you in the Nanite Injector bug thread that DEVs are working on it.
I saw you create a thread about plates (while there was already a great armor discussion thread) for a DEV that was on vacation.
Now you would like to have moderator powers.

Shouldn't you just give the DEVs a hint to take 5min off to make a post on the forums?
Shouldn't you just elaborate in the existing thread and take notes to give to the DEV?
Shouldn't you just warn the GMs of said individuals?

I'm starting to believe you just want to be part of the DEV team instead of CPM.

Why don't they OPENLY COMMUNICATE about it instead of frustrating the player base?

This is what happens when they just pick people from IRC rather than letting the community vote on who we want to be our CPMs
And yeah yeah I know we cant do it yet because they dont think we are ready for some reason

Eeeh? Isn't CPM supposed to represent the community? Don't get me wrong I can imagine that some individuals deserve it...but really a post like this from a CPM member....

I saw some post of you in the Nanite Injector bug thread that DEVs are working on it.
I saw you create a thread about plates (while there was already a great armor discussion thread) for a DEV that was on vacation.
Now you would like to have moderator powers.

Shouldn't you just give the DEVs a hint to take 5min off to make a post on the forums?
Shouldn't you just elaborate in the existing thread and take notes to give to the DEV?
Shouldn't you just warn the GMs of said individuals?

I'm starting to believe you just want to be part of the DEV team instead of CPM.

*Looks at the list of forum topics*

*Looks back at Delta*

Yea, we're not ready.

Eeeh? Isn't CPM supposed to represent the community? Don't get me wrong I can imagine that some individuals deserve it...but really a post like this from a CPM member....

I saw some post of you in the Nanite Injector bug thread that DEVs are working on it.
I saw you create a thread about plates (while there was already a great armor discussion thread) for a DEV that was on vacation.
Now you would like to have moderator powers.

Shouldn't you just give the DEVs a hint to take 5min off to make a post on the forums?
Shouldn't you just elaborate in the existing thread and take notes to give to the DEV?
Shouldn't you just warn the GMs of said individuals?

I'm starting to believe you just want to be part of the DEV team instead of CPM.

Happiness is mandatory, all citizens not showing happiness will report for reeducation and execution

Have a nice day

Yeah, I have my own theory's as well too. If you have anything you can safely state on the subject, it'd be nice to know it wasn't all about that cute release date.

How about "stroking upper management ego"?

Surely not.

Why would you spend resources to reeducate before you educate? Now coming from experience it is best to execute insubordinance as needed and maintain regular subtle education of your chose of doctrines throughout the populous, only my opinion of course.

IWS doesn't actually work for CCP so it isn't mandatory that you hate on him, y'know?

At least figure out what he actually said before you mangle it up and find reasons to get upset by the mangling.

No, if devs are busy developing they should not be interrupted every time a cryhard feels they deserve personal attention from them... what a joke!

Obviously I missed the point so why don't you try to explain it to me?

It's a theory on my end as well.

Just we're players too and some players have their own drama that follows them into the CPM despite best efforts and a big sign saying leave your Drama Lamas at home.

The worst thing is that we're trying to play catch up with the current Eve side CSM. CSM is a culmination of 6 years of work and we're trying to get on their level in 6 months or less and we only been in term for one month so far.

You have no idea how massive of an uphill fight this has been, CPM 0 is probably going to be the most challenged CPM on the books.

Pretty close actually. I've been saying it all over the forum, but CCP Shanghai feels like :greedisgood: all over again.

It's just a gut feeling, but that's scary enough in and of itself.

Someone please prove me wrong.

Remember that suicide in the hallways is strictly prohibited...

Be positive or get locked/banned.

Depends on your view of yourself once you become a CPM. The whole idea of needing a dropship pilot or tank pilot is very silly because there is so much that the CPM doesn't really touch on. Sure in our idle time we help out with the Thread Hunting on possibly missed ideas or concerns (which is why I am beginning to hate bad posters because they're really hurting the game the most as they drown out the real stuff CCP or CPM is after.) and also being well versed in an aspect helps out with certain aspects of feedback but rarely does that expertise needs tapping on less so than the experience and familiarity of the people and the potential responses to changes.

For example one minor small but awesome feature of the 1.2 I have highlighted as probably the best new feature being added in 1.2 has nothing to do with anyone being experts in anything. Yet being players in the game has made all the CPM know how important that feature is.

I mean I would love to update you guys more often but I am restricted to what is or has not been said yet by developers most of the time. All I can do is point out broken and obvious stuff that somehow managed to scrape through the developer's own reading of the forums and they don't miss much which says quite a bit considering how often I trawl through the forums.

You have got to be trolling.

Anybody can discuss pretty much anything if they just put a little work into their post.

If I were CCP I'd be busy banning entire PSN accounts -- not because of being threatened but so that people who do actually enjoy the game can do so without being harassed all the time.

Depends on your view of yourself once you become a CPM. The whole idea of needing a dropship pilot or tank pilot is very silly because there is so much that the CPM doesn't really touch on. Sure in our idle time we help out with the Thread Hunting on possibly missed ideas or concerns (which is why I am beginning to hate bad posters because they're really hurting the game the most as they drown out the real stuff CCP or CPM is after.) and also being well versed in an aspect helps out with certain aspects of feedback but rarely does that expertise needs tapping on less so than the experience and familiarity of the people and the potential responses to changes.

For example one minor small but awesome feature of the 1.2 I have highlighted as probably the best new feature being added in 1.2 has nothing to do with anyone being experts in anything. Yet being players in the game has made all the CPM know how important that feature is.

I mean I would love to update you guys more often but I am restricted to what is or has not been said yet by developers most of the time. All I can do is point out broken and obvious stuff that somehow managed to scrape through the developer's own reading of the forums and they don't miss much which says quite a bit considering how often I trawl through the forums.

Instead of trawling through the forums for useful threads, why not encourage more devs to post (and sticky) pre-release feedback threads. Have the devs outline the change they're in charge of, then ask for first glance feedback. Then once it hits the server, iterate if required before moving on.

A test server would be a great tool for this too.

Honestly I think we need to get the little tiny violin out for you.

Where's the CPM statement saying, "CCP, get your crap sorted"?

Depends on your view of yourself once you become a CPM. The whole idea of needing a dropship pilot or tank pilot is very silly because there is so much that the CPM doesn't really touch on. Sure in our idle time we help out with the Thread Hunting on possibly missed ideas or concerns (which is why I am beginning to hate bad posters because they're really hurting the game the most as they drown out the real stuff CCP or CPM is after.) and also being well versed in an aspect helps out with certain aspects of feedback but rarely does that expertise needs tapping on less so than the experience and familiarity of the people and the potential responses to changes.

For example one minor small but awesome feature of the 1.2 I have highlighted as probably the best new feature being added in 1.2 has nothing to do with anyone being experts in anything. Yet being players in the game has made all the CPM know how important that feature is.

I mean I would love to update you guys more often but I am restricted to what is or has not been said yet by developers most of the time. All I can do is point out broken and obvious stuff that somehow managed to scrape through the developer's own reading of the forums and they don't miss much which says quite a bit considering how often I trawl through the forums.

Shows you how much you pay attention.

CPM Hans already wrote that.

and like everything else just because we write a small 3 paragraph statement does not magically change anything overnight.

It's good to hear that the DEVs are not missing much on the forums it just doesn't seem like that when some thread get a DEV response and others threads don't or that a DEVs posts in a thread and doesn't follow up. Anyway to improve this kind of communication from DEVs to the community? I know that the community has to adjust too, but I see the current 'negativty' on the forums more like a warning-sign. I hope I'm not confusing you I'm just rambling atm.

Maybe a rating system for threads is a good idea so you guys can filter out the good stuff more easily?

Be positive or get locked/banned.

And where is this buried away?

You might think in this forum maybe? In a sticky or something?

**** and here I am turning more cynic and cynic everytime a DEV doesn't post, it's a big downwards spiral .

Anyway just another thought: has CCP thought about appointing one well-versed workforce (in contact with all DEVs) to face us all?

Not buried, but well veiled.

"The art of diplomacy is being able to say the meanest and nastiest things in the most kindest of ways."

Well the Developers are people as well, there are a few devs not well versed in forum posting similar to how there are a few members not good at it either. It's not a nice place most of the time and there are a few scared of you guys because of the hostilities being passed around, which is the ultimate reason why super negative posts are bad they chase developers away from responding in the first place. I am not saying you are not allowed to criticize the game but the more you guys sharpen the complaints like a spear tip the less the devs want to poke that.

There are some developers who are better versed in talking with the community such as CCP Logic Loop would be the most recent example he went into the nitty gritty of why the things they are on the maps and why certain things cannot work yet and what is being worked on.

There are a few that are genuinely busy and would love to post on the forums but things are more pressing than reading forums.

While the CPM is trying to encourage the devs to open up more, I really need you guys to not slam the door on their faces if/when they do.

Be positive or get locked/banned.

No its be constructive or get locked/banned/

Senseless rambling and ranting is utterly useless and clogs the forums.

No matter how fancy you dress up that 'oh lag is bad' in a 4 post long story it is still not that very constructive.

Now stating when and where lag usually attacks you like "on this map with this structure with this mood I get lag really bad." Is extremely far more helpful.