I could get behind this but only if all Heavy Suits receive 1H, 1L and more CPU/PG as well

pretty sure the Proto G-Scout is supposed to have 2H slots, there's no way losing a High Slot going from ADV to PRO is intentional.

I play Gallente Scouts :P

The G-1/Series (the Advanced) has 2H/2L, the Gk.0 (the Proto) has 1H/4L, which is what it says in the wiki

Sorry, I misread your post...

But looking at that slot layout, that's a bit weird. Except for heavy -> sentinel, none of the other suit classes change slot allocations at higher levels. They usually just add slots. You think it's an oversight from the Chrome build when suits had two different slot layouts?

This is not a negotiation. GTFO whit your phat ass.

funny, but Heavy suits have the same equipment failings as scouts. Max of 5 combined for high and low at proto level..

Not like we are asking for an equipment slot...

funny, but Heavy suits have the same equipment failings as scouts. Max of 5 combined for high and low at proto level..

Not like we are asking for an equipment slot...

I disagree, my heavy friend.

There exists enormous risk in running with knives, and reasonable people expect a balance of risk to reward.

Consider the long list of ways to OHK even the greatest scout among us.
150k+ isk down the drain to one flaylock blast, one sniper round, or one fused locus nade.

Now what's a Proto Heavy's EHP again? I'll ask Cubs next time I see him post 20/0 in a pub.
1000+ HP is not risk. 1000+ HP is not underpowered.

Underpowered is a title reserved for scouts and perhaps DS pilots, who seem to have Dev attention at present. Maybe we scouts can get fixed before Commandos w/shotgun sidearms tilt the scale of risk against us even further.

- Shotty GoBang

I would support it, except what you said about the CPU/PG part. 15-20% is too much. I would say only a 10% increase at the most. The scout suit doesn't need that much anyways when used correctly.

Currently, the Minja scout is at 2L/3H slots and the Ganja scout is 1H/4L.

I propose changing this to Minja 3L/3H and the ganja to 2H/4L. In addition, buff the CPU/PG by 15-20%.

I can't see anyone having any arguments against this, and makes the scout far more viable. So I won't bother to reinforce why this makes sense. It just does.

If you somehow disagree- see caldari logi 5H/4L. I rest my case.

And what do the other classes get. I can see Logi not needing anything, the heavies and assaults should get something.

infact I would be incredibly happy if assaults got a second grenade slot to balance this out.

I think this scout buff is a wonderful idea.

I get taken out by shotgun scouts more than any thing else in the game. I also get taken out plenty by nova knives.

When a heavy is spotted we are attacked by 3+ players at once. how fast do you think that 1000 hp last under sustained fire from 3 or more duvall ARs?

Furthermore, you cannot judge balance by the things that occur in pub matches.

Thanks for the response, Jaraiya. I'd like to respond to a few of your points; not for the sake of argument, rather for simple consideration:

A shotgun scout or nova ninja should win against a heavy at or under 3 meters. To accomplish this CQC feat, a scout likely had to sneak in behind enemy lines, find a lone target, stalk him remaining undetected, and await opportunity to close the gap. Even perfectly executed, that scout has blown his cover by attacking you and his odds of survival are bleak if any enemy happens to be nearby.

There are numerous variables a CQC scout must constantly manage and analyze. Situational awareness is the only variable in play for the unfortunate heavy that falls to a scout.

A heavy draws fire because he represents a greater threat. I think I understand your point, but I don't think that a single heavy should offer a fair fight versus focused fire from three ARs.

A veteran CQC scout is less viable in pub combat than an equivalent medium or heavy; this is a fair measurement of imbalance. That imbalance is amplified ten fold in PC when fighting against hardened and organized opponents.

- Shotty

I agree that the scout suit is broken. I'm concerned that the solutions being offered are to make the scout suit more like the assault suit. This doesn't make sense to me. They should just remove the scout suit if that's what you want.

The scout suit needs to be improved by improving the things it's supposed to do better than everything else. A big part of that is signature profile. The base for the scout should be greatly reduced (-10 or -15) and it should be increased significantly for the assault(+10) and a ton for the logi's and heavies(+30). Oh and Free LAV's need to be +100. Right now, there isn't nearly enough to differentiate the various sig profiles between the suits. This also goes for the base levels of the signature profile detection mechanics. Scouts should be excellent at seeing enemy stuff on the map, assault mediocre and logi/heavy really bad at it by default (everyone should always be able to see their teammates all of the time).

Next is adding things that will give the scout an advantage in other ways. I think we need ascension cables, jetpacks, and look forward to the real stealth modules that CCP is already planning. I think for the jetpacks and cables especially, the powergrid needs should be based on the weight of the suit (i.e. it takes significantly more energy to hoist an assault suit up than it does a scout, and so much more to do a heavy that they're not going to be able to fit much else).

I'd also like to see a nano-jump drive module for the CQC scout where they can teleport very short distances (like 5 meters) if it's within LOS (there would be a significant cooldown). This would allow a "backstab mechanic" so they can get behind someone once they've been spotted. It would radically improve survivability, but in a way true to the nature of the suit instead of just turning the scout into something other than a glass cannon.

Currently, the Minja scout is at 2L/3H slots and the Ganja scout is 1H/4L.

I propose changing this to Minja 3L/3H and the ganja to 2H/4L. In addition, buff the CPU/PG by 15-20%.

I can't see anyone having any arguments against this, and makes the scout far more viable. So I won't bother to reinforce why this makes sense. It just does.

If you somehow disagree- see caldari logi 5H/4L. I rest my case.

yea. that stuff is fine, and probably deserves it's own thread.

If your team is dumb enough to leave one person to guard an objective and you get jumped by 6 people, failing to defend the objective is not a failure of the heavy suit's design.

The failure is your team's.

Seriously if a heavy could reasonably expect to consistently win a 4v1, EVERYONE WOULD BE A HEAVY.

And then you'd be back to square one, dying because of your fail team.

Edit: Sorry for posting about heavies in your scout thread, just tired of these dumb complaints.

I've been saying for ages that the gallente suit progression is weird for scouts but I disagree that you should give the proto one extra hi to make it right - instead make the adv 1 hi 3 lo.

A very small CPU/PG increase would be adequate but nowhere near 15-20%; I'd say 10% would be ok.

Are any proto suits capable of running a full proto loadout? I know Logis can't.