You say that the art team is the biggest bottleneck for anything new.
Then why not increase the staff in the art team to reduce the bottleneck?
That's the reason we still don't have all of the racial dropsuits.
Or that we don't have jets.
And many other things like that.

Alternatively CCP, stop throwing seconds on their plates as they haven't yet finished their first helping!

For those who fail @ metaphor, why are we getting new classes of vehicles and dropsuits when the classes we currently have are not rounded out with all racial variants.

Alternatively CCP, stop throwing seconds on their plates as they haven't yet finished their first helping!

For those who fail @ metaphor, why are we getting new classes of vehicles and dropsuits when the classes we currently have are not rounded out with all racial variants.

Well, I gotta call you on Fighters, because I'm telling you right now: flying those in our current redlines would SUCK.

Funny thing is that the game design team is apparently the bottleneck for weapon customization, because we had a post in IRC a while back from one of the art guys saying the visual assets are already finished.

It seems the teams aren't cooperating too well on what they're releasing and when.

Just thought I'd throw in some input. This is not meant to be malicious in anyway. so please don't feel that it is.

Being a commercial artist myself, throwing more people at any part of the creative process does not make it go faster.
In fact, it will slow the process down. (at first)

This mindset is one of the most aggravating parts of the industry because every client seems to think that way.

Some examples:

If you hire a new artist for your concept team, he/she will not be consistent with the rest of the team. This will lead to multiple rounds of revisions and frustration.

The old team has been painting/drawing/modelling in the same style for months and have developed short hands.

They've got libraries of their own assets that they can reuse and an understanding of their own work files so they can effectively hit their deadlines. (try wading through someone else's work file... yuck)

A new artist will not be able to utilize these as efficiently until he/she spends enough time settling into the creative atmosphere.

THE best thing to do is to just give these guys some time. Time is the only thing that creates a good product. Not more people.


anyhow. Just my experienced point of view. You are welcome to disagree.

I suggest patience.

I honestly can't see how the Art team will be the bottleneck... in fact the "Art Concept" is normally finish, far before the game development even starts. If anything i will say that is the "Graphics Department " that is slowing things down. Things like Modeling, Textures, and animation. We don't even have WATER in any maps yet .. and that is such a basic thing to do.

Just thought I'd throw in some input. This is not meant to be malicious in anyway. so please don't feel that it is.

Being a commercial artist myself, throwing more people at any part of the creative process does not make it go faster.
In fact, it will slow the process down. (at first)

This mindset is one of the most aggravating parts of the industry because every client seems to think that way.

Some examples:

If you hire a new artist for your concept team, he/she will not be consistent with the rest of the team. This will lead to multiple rounds of revisions and frustration.

The old team has been painting/drawing/modelling in the same style for months and have developed short hands.

They've got libraries of their own assets that they can reuse and an understanding of their own work files so they can effectively hit their deadlines. (try wading through someone else's work file... yuck)

A new artist will not be able to utilize these as efficiently until he/she spends enough time settling into the creative atmosphere.

THE best thing to do is to just give these guys some time. Time is the only thing that creates a good product. Not more people.


anyhow. Just my experienced point of view. You are welcome to disagree.

I suggest patience.

The art team does all of those ^_^

@ Guildo Crow - in your experience , should it take more than a year to create 12 models ie the racial dropsuits

@ Guildo Crow - in your experience , should it take more than a year to create 12 models ie the racial dropsuits

Haha, for the person interested in how they model trees

http://www.speedtree.com/


As far as I am aware almost everyone and their mothers use this beast of an app.


i would not be surprised if the Art team uses a version of this to supplement their assets.

instead slows it down ruins quality

It does when the artists are working on other stuff too.

Well, I gotta call you on Fighters, because I'm telling you right now: flying those in our current redlines would SUCK.

Funny thing is that the game design team is apparently the bottleneck for weapon customization, because we had a post in IRC a while back from one of the art guys saying the visual assets are already finished.

It seems the teams aren't cooperating too well on what they're releasing and when.

@ Guildo Crow - in your experience , should it take more than a year to create 12 models ie the racial dropsuits

After that, they have to actually make a playable model. More straightforward, though takes time. After that it needs to be tested and given it's statistics... Even more time.

The issue is making them look good.

So, does anyone here have real world experience with asset creation for production?

Yes I'm a professional UR3/unity/in house environment artist

I try not to comment on threads like this very offen because people just don't get it. I am working on a series of online classes for the art>modeling>deployment into unreal 3. It'll be a free class and when it's done I'll just reply to threads like this by posting 10 hours of "Here is what you think you know what you're talking about"

So why then does each weapon look the same with only one or two in a weapon line having a repaint.

Why dont we have all the basic dropsuits when it cant be an animation issue because those are already rudimentary.

On jets and certain vehicles with unique features I could see a delay in getting that content in but on things that are basically a reskin with adjust values.... epic fail. They really dont have a leg to stand on.

If you paid attention, you would notice that I said the ART assets are done, but not the GAME DESIGN assets.

You can't have one without the other.

So can I ask both of you professionals how long do you think it would take to knock out 12 models.

Someone already did and they said 8-9 months comfortably would be a guess.

Us laypersons have also played many other games using the Unreal engine where models have been cranked out quicker. Or do we all have to get a degree in a specified field before we can comment on things?

Dont we live in a world and use products in which we can form a decent opinion of what to expect.

Please provide me with all necessary information and I will give you an educated answer.

Yeah, thats what I thought - no fcuking help. Book knowledge (if that is even true) and no common sense. The smug attitude about being knowledgeable without actually contributing anything is also very helpful . WoFT !!!