DUST Search - An open letter to CCP

Ignatius Crumwald wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

Reefersmokintaz wrote:

I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc.

If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents

At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat.
Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again.

I think the control issues where they went down the road of trying to balance KB/M with DS3 have done a lot to wreck the overall player satisfaction in this game. Better FPS developers have tried to balance the two and failed miserably, never to try again.

99% of the people who download this game are going to playing in their living room.
No one wants to sit under their coffee table to use a KB/M - yet they still went that direction like it was a selling point to anyone other than the 20+ Eve nerds who hooked their PS3 up to their computer monitor.

Basically, we have a situation where zero out of the three control schemes work at their optimum and the more they try the harder they fail.
I'm going to have to recommend that they dump KB/M for now and get DS3 working right first. It would go a long way toward keeping the occasional new player that shows his face there.

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crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1337	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:55:00 - [31] - Quote You can't give us your stuff, dust doesn't have a trading system.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1337	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:57:00 - [32] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc. If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. lol what no so much wrong here.
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 73	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:57:00 - [33] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: ORIGINAL POST Have you seen the 33 minute video from E3 that was posted today? I have paid 20$ to see a bunch of video back at fan fest.. where is that stuff? SOON Gäó so well I am sick of Dev promises.. I will believe the pilot suit and all that stuff once it is actually IN THE GAME
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:58:00 - [34] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc. If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. They were half baked and buggy. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. lol what no so much wrong here. I wasn't there from the start. I have a friend who has been playing it from 2003 and that's what he told me.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1541	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:59:00 - [35] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Yes. So? CCP have promised many things and delivered half baked versions of what they said. I won't be drinking the kool aid any longer, I will believe it when i see it with my own eyes. Also, those new plates put a sour taste in my mouth for the whole trailer Let's face the facts here, Dust 514 will never be able to surpass what established developers put out. Between their inexperience with the console market, Sony looking over their shoulder, and how ADHD FPS consumers are, it's never going to happen. But if they fire out updates 11 times a year and the don't repeat another Uprising again, Dust 514 will at least be able to compete. It may never be the best, but as long is it's one of the best, that will be enough to keep me coming back. On a side note, if they can get the Carbon engine to work on PS4... all of my money, just all of it....
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1885	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:00:00 - [36] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc. If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. They were half baked and buggy. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. lol what no so much wrong here. I wasn't there from the start. I have a friend who has been playing it from 2003 and that's what he told me. I mean, part of me wishes I was there at the start, and another part is appalled at my masochism.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 341	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:11:00 - [37] - Quote +1 to Kitten, don't think anything ccp do now would sway me with ps4 around the corner and quite a few descent free games announced for it . I stuck it out in beta and nothing seemed to be addressed without messing something else up (thats when they did do anything) I can't be botherd to wait for another 2 years, I waited 12 months and it didn't improve and remember this game has been around for over 5 years already in 1 form or another.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 496	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:11:00 - [38] - Quote You just said what the majority of the community is thinking, in one long, serious, coherent thread. Kudos to you sir.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 50	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:12:00 - [39] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc. If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. I think the control issues where they went down the road of trying to balance KB/M with DS3 have done a lot to wreck the overall player satisfaction in this game. Better FPS developers have tried to balance the two and failed miserably, never to try again. 99% of the people who download this game are going to playing in their living room. No one wants to sit under their coffee table to use a KB/M - yet they still went that direction like it was a selling point to anyone other than the 20+ Eve nerds who hooked their PS3 up to their computer monitor. Basically, we have a situation where zero out of the three control schemes work at their optimum and the more they try the harder they fail. I'm going to have to recommend that they dump KB/M for now and get DS3 working right first. It would go a long way toward keeping the occasional new player that shows his face there. I agree KB/N was a bad idea I've always said that's why the shooting feels off. To many different control schemes. Scrap the rest and focus on DS3.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 535	Posted - 2013.06.13 15:31:00 - [40] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You just said what the majority of the community is thinking, in one long, serious, coherent thread. Kudos to you sir. Thanks

Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 539	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:17:00 - [41] - Quote In my honest opinion, KB/M shouldn't exist on a console shooter. Its far too accurate for controllers to compete. And the best part about consoles is the comfort of controllers. And sure you can use a controller on your PC, but you won't be competitive with the KB/M people, especially without any aim assist. If you are going to implement it, don't restrict it. That's like inviting a homeless man to a dinner and tell him you are only allowed to smell the food.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 581	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:23:00 - [42] - Quote Don't go away mad... just go away.
bunnywink Improvise. 275	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:27:00 - [43] - Quote TL;DR version: Meow.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:28:00 - [44] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Don't go away mad... just go away. But see, I don't want to go away. I am forced to go away. I want this game to succeed, but its so terrible I just can't play it and have fun. Out of 8 matches I had today, I had a bit of fun in ONE. JUAN UNO ODIN A day ago I played 5 matches, and didn't have fun in any. I just see games like Planetside 2, Battlefield 4 and more, and just think "Why am I still here? 14 months later and not even 0.05% of that 'potential' has been reached". Its an awesome concept, but it was given to developers who are not capable of realizing the concept.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 581	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:31:00 - [45] - Quote Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;)
Summer-Wolf BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 87	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:35:00 - [46] - Quote Some of us have been here since the beginning. We saw the video from E3 that was released 2 years ago. We saw the potential. Why are we still on the forums? Because we still have a glimmer of hope this someday might actually be what it should be.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 541	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:37:00 - [47] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) If I didn't care about this game you wouldn't even know I exist. Heck I wouldn't even bother checking if this game has a forum. Stop being blind fanboy, this game is going to die if CCP doesn't start fulfilling their promises and get into gear.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 581	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:38:00 - [48] - Quote Seriously, it's okay to take a break for a while... it beats trying to force CCP to do what you want by yelling so loud that they can't ignore you.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 541	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:41:00 - [49] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Seriously, it's okay to take a break for a while... it beats trying to force CCP to do what you want by yelling so loud that they can't ignore you. Sigh. I'm yelling because I care about this game. Its the only game trying to fulfill what I want. The idea of being a space mercenary in New Eden is exactly what I wanted. If this game fails, I probably won't be seeing anything like it ever again. That's why I'm doing it. There are many games, and I mean MANY, I tried out and just forgot about because they were mediocre. Came back to them a year or so later and I enjoyed them. That's what I normally do. But this time its different.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 581	Posted - 2013.06.13 20:45:00 - [50] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: If I didn't care about this game you wouldn't even know I exist. Heck I wouldn't even bother checking if this game has a forum. Stop being blind fanboy, this game is going to die if CCP doesn't start fulfilling their promises and get into gear. I'm not being a blind fanboy at all... I'm telling you to shut up and take a break. Where in that statement do I suggest that we aren't waiting too long or that we don't need some FPS mechanics fixed, etc. Throwing the "fanboy" label is great trolling fun and all but when it's clearly not related to what I'm saying you need to stop and think a little bit. It's great that you care. I care too. I'm still able to have fun -- perhaps partially because I'm not worried too much about SP or ISK, who knows. When I stop having fun I'll go away... for a while... and cool off.

hooc order Deep Space Republic 323	Posted - 2013.06.13 21:02:00 - [51] - Quote Quote: In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2013.06.13 21:04:00 - [52] - Quote hooc order wrote: Quote: In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer. I said better in every way. Now, when I'm saying better in every way, what am I comparing it to? Dust 514. Doesn't mean its going to be good, just that in this time anyone could surpass CCP. And mind you, this game has been in development for 6 years. Masterpieces were crafted in that frame of time, including Half Life 2.
Summer-Wolf BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 88	Posted - 2013.06.13 22:50:00 - [53] - Quote This game has been in development for more than that. Hell, the first "trailer" was at E3 over 2 years ago. For the amount of time they had, to have this as their "launch", it is one of the worst launch of FPS ever. Hell, its the first game on console you could spend real money in a "beta". I have played beta in other games and usually all items were free due to balancing. I paid anyway, because I believed in the dream. Now that the beta is over and we arent satisfied with the game, we cant get a refund. Pretty under-handed IMO.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 560	Posted - 2013.06.14 11:12:00 - [54] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: This game has been in development for more than that. Hell, the first "trailer" was at E3 over 2 years ago. For the amount of time they had, to have this as their "launch", it is one of the worst launch of FPS ever. Hell, its the first game on console you could spend real money in a "beta". I have played beta in other games and usually all items were free due to balancing. I paid anyway, because I believed in the dream. Now that the beta is over and we arent satisfied with the game, we cant get a refund. Pretty under-handed IMO. To be fair, out of the 5 years of development: 2 were spent making the Carbon engine version of Dust. 3 were spent making the Unreal Engine 3 version of Dust. But still, 3 years is more than enough to get basic things like aiming right -_-
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 321	Posted - 2013.06.14 11:25:00 - [55] - Quote hooc order wrote: Quote: In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer. You know the Walking Dead game was developed in around 14 months and season 2 will also fit roughly in that time span if it releases this autumn like Telltale wants Then there are all the various sports games and COD has a new game out each year but I believe they alternate development teams and I have no idea how much of a break they take between games Point being a lot of teams are able to publish a game in less than a year and a half and not just publish it but publish it with no content missing and gameplay that is up to the standard
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 503	Posted - 2013.06.14 11:39:00 - [56] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: hooc order wrote: Quote: In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer. You know the Walking Dead game was developed in around 14 months and season 2 will also fit roughly in that time span if it releases this autumn like Telltale wants Then there are all the various sports games and COD has a new game out each year but I believe they alternate development teams and I have no idea how much of a break they take between games Point being a lot of teams are able to publish a game in less than a year and a half and not just publish it but publish it with no content missing and gameplay that is up to the standard Most "AAA" games takes 2 years MAX to develop, and that is including the Beta Stages... but... Dust 514 is not a "AAA" game, how Dust 514 is right now, it looks like 1 year of development, and 3 years wasted with other builds. If we start to see improvements in the next few months, CCP will be in target for the average development rate for this type of games.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 543	Posted - 2013.06.14 11:58:00 - [57] - Quote Well said. I'm glad you got so many likes for this. Guess there aren't quite so many morons on these forums as there used to be, eh crash monster.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 248	Posted - 2013.06.14 12:05:00 - [58] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) Thats because the game still has time to get fixed, the fact he is still here and many of us are still here, is that we love this game so much we actually have hope it will be fixed and up to speed in ~6 months.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 568	Posted - 2013.06.14 12:37:00 - [59] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) Thats because the game still has time to get fixed, the fact he is still here and many of us are still here, is that we love this game so much we actually have hope it will be fixed and up to speed in ~6 months. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1936	Posted - 2013.06.14 12:39:00 - [60] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) Thats because the game still has time to get fixed, the fact he is still here and many of us are still here, is that we love this game so much we actually have hope it will be fixed and up to speed in ~6 months. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell. Isn't it irritating how everyone expects you to either say the game is perfect or worthless garbage? If you try and state an opinion anywhere in the middle, like saying it needs work but you're hear because you expect it to get better, it's like both sides just don't know what to say to you.



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