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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.06.14 13:15:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;)
What happens when all feel like this do go away as you say, enjoy your empty game world.
You need to realise for a game like this to work you need every one on board not just the fan boys or the down ward spiral will continue, you need to ask people to stay and not be so short sighted. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.06.14 13:19:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer.
As i keep stating this game has been around for over 5 years do some searching with 12 months of beta that makes 6 years early footage looked much better game play wise than what we have now.
Question --- shouldn't this game be good now with over 6 years in development ?
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
428
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Posted - 2013.06.14 13:36:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:CCP definitely need a wake up call, this game is on the verge of getting stomped like the Xbox one did.
I hate the truth sometimes. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
429
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Posted - 2013.06.14 13:42:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:hooc order wrote:Quote:In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer. As i keep stating this game has been around for over 5 years do some searching with 12 months of beta that makes 6 years early footage looked much better game play wise than what we have now. Question --- shouldn't this game be good now with over 6 years in development ? It was on the carbon engine and they had to scrap it and use unreal3. I bet that took a chuck of time and learning the cell is difficult coupled with low ram makes me think it would be very time consuming. Skyrim was in development from 2008 till late 2011 and was a train wreck on the PS3 until Sony help them out. I am not making excuses but it is a long, hard and bumpy road for a developer who has never made a console game or FPS. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
812
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:42:00 -
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The E3 2011 trailer was definetly not rendered in the carbon engine. If you look at the modelling and notice the graphical style similarities, it is much closer to the chrrent build than the previews from 2009 and 2010... Just touched up with some post effect editing.
This means they were working with the Unreal Engine since at least 2010 to get all those assets modeled and rendered in game. If you give it a mid 2010 start date for use of Unreal Engine, that means they have had at least DUST in development for 24 months roughly prior to closed beta starting, and now a total of 36 months of development at this moment.
...and they still don't have basic movement and shooting down? Wtf were they doing? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
576
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:02:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:The E3 2011 trailer was definetly not rendered in the carbon engine. If you look at the modelling and notice the graphical style similarities, it is much closer to the chrrent build than the previews from 2009 and 2010... Just touched up with some post effect editing.
This means they were working with the Unreal Engine since at least 2010 to get all those assets modeled and rendered in game. If you give it a mid 2010 start date for use of Unreal Engine, that means they have had at least DUST in development for 24 months roughly prior to closed beta starting, and now a total of 36 months of development at this moment.
...and they still don't have basic movement and shooting down? Wtf were they doing? Marketing. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:06:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:The E3 2011 trailer was definetly not rendered in the carbon engine. If you look at the modelling and notice the graphical style similarities, it is much closer to the chrrent build than the previews from 2009 and 2010... Just touched up with some post effect editing.
This means they were working with the Unreal Engine since at least 2010 to get all those assets modeled and rendered in game. If you give it a mid 2010 start date for use of Unreal Engine, that means they have had at least DUST in development for 24 months roughly prior to closed beta starting, and now a total of 36 months of development at this moment.
...and they still don't have basic movement and shooting down? Wtf were they doing?
Thank you
Also useing the unreal engine there is a whole library of software for them to use to speed up development.
People cant keep defending ccp's handling and development with dust it's just poor and not getting any better.
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Planetside2 F2P2013PS4
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.14 20:43:00 -
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Yes game is boring and not fun nuff said.
Vote with your wallet! |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.06.14 20:58:00 -
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Planetside2 F2P2013PS4 wrote:Yes game is boring and not fun nuff said.
Vote with your wallet!
Not like planetside is any better :\, Destiny is my go to game.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
445
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:11:00 -
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Planetside2 F2P2013PS4 wrote:Yes game is boring and not fun nuff said.
Vote with your wallet!
Your are boring and not fun, get a life. |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
586
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:49:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Planetside2 F2P2013PS4 wrote:Yes game is boring and not fun nuff said.
Vote with your wallet! Not like planetside is any better :\, Destiny is my go to game. Well, it is better. Much better than Dust 514 is :\ But at least our devs communicate with us and theirs don't, right? ... Oh wait... |
Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
63
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:17:00 -
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oh, thank god someone posted this. i was about to write ccp a wake up call and it would have taken me an hour... |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
33
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Yes. So? CCP have promised many things and delivered half baked versions of what they said. I won't be drinking the kool aid any longer, I will believe it when i see it with my own eyes. Also, those new plates put a sour taste in my mouth for the whole trailer Let's face the facts here, Dust 514 will never be able to surpass what established developers put out. Between their inexperience with the console market, Sony looking over their shoulder, and how ADHD FPS consumers are, it's never going to happen. But if they fire out updates 11 times a year and the don't repeat another Uprising again, Dust 514 will at least be able to compete. It may never be the best, but as long is it's one of the best, that will be enough to keep me coming back. On a side note, if they can get the Carbon engine to work on PS4... all of my money, just all of it....
+1 |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
147
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:28:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:.... Seriously, this game was in development for like what, 5-6 years now? And you still don't have the aiming nailed down? You have 5 more months until the PS4 drops, if this game isn't up to par by then to at least by fun, you are going to lose a LOT of players, me included. .... Do you want to know why your entire community is bitter? Its because of this, its because you have been making promises for 14 months and done barely anything.
the funnything about the state of 'in development' is were they ACTUALLY building a game? or were 2 guys playing around with nerf guns shooting eachother theory crafting how awesome it would be to make another game in New Eden. the term 'in development' is vague and sketchy at best... im sure there was more work at SOME point than just theory crafting a game, but chances are it was all engineered towards captains quarters...
and the promises of greatness? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyXDlZKwgA <-- Eve Future Vision trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw <-- Original gameplay demo theyve been promising greatness since at least before october 2009, thats a bit more than just 14 months of under delivered hype. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
451
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:30:00 -
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Gregor stormwalker wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:CCP definitely need a wake up call, this game is on the verge of getting stomped like the Xbox one did. i dont think its got that bad yet
It is getting that bad. I am very patient and you can call me a fan boy but the OP is correct. We are digging a deep hole that might end up being a grave. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
147
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:44:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Gregor stormwalker wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:CCP definitely need a wake up call, this game is on the verge of getting stomped like the Xbox one did. i dont think its got that bad yet It is getting that bad. I am very patient and you can call me a fan boy but the OP is correct. We are digging a deep hole that might end up being a grave.
this whole experience, to me, as a 5+ year vet of EVE Online(over $2,000 in subscription fees paid to date across multiple accounts), is begining to feel little more than the worlds largest mini-game... im waiting for april to roll around and ccp to say SURPRISE, we got you! and simply port the game directly into EVE Online on the PC. or scrap the whole project and divert all the tech directly into CQ... |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
67
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Cosgar wrote:I know you care, a lot of people that kitten post on us care more about this game than blind fanboys because we're honest enough to give criticism whether it's constructive or not. Hell, we care so much that it's hard to express it in words and it comes out in the form of kitten posts. Thanks. And I agree. The fact that we even bother to join the forums, its already more than what most players would do when they play such a frustratingly bad game. I wouldn't outright say Dust 514 is bad. More like flawed and boring at the moment..
Wait...Flaw and boring is not bad? Why would anyone play something that is boring and flawed?
If its flawed but entertaining/ fun, sure, I mean its fun, who cares if its somewhat flawed, right? But if its not even fun, what's good about it?
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
148
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:26:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:Cosgar wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Cosgar wrote:I know you care, a lot of people that kitten post on us care more about this game than blind fanboys because we're honest enough to give criticism whether it's constructive or not. Hell, we care so much that it's hard to express it in words and it comes out in the form of kitten posts. Thanks. And I agree. The fact that we even bother to join the forums, its already more than what most players would do when they play such a frustratingly bad game. I wouldn't outright say Dust 514 is bad. More like flawed and boring at the moment.. Wait...Flaw and boring is not bad? Why would anyone play something that is boring and flawed? If its flawed but entertaining/ fun, sure, I mean its fun, who cares if its somewhat flawed, right? But if its not even fun, what's good about it?
who here has ever gone back and reinstalled Deus Ex, or relived some classic Mario/Sonic golden years games? maybe some classic Bond-ing with GoldenEye for the N64? Galaga, space invaders, the list goes on...
those games are 'terrible' by todays standards of graphics and functionality, but they were GREAT! some of them were flawed pretty fiercely, and still GREAT. they managed to be fun some how, maybe its nostalgia picking up the slack for some of them now, but they still ARE fun for a lot of people.
and then theres the list of games which NOBODY remembers, because they were flawed AND boring, i doubt anyone would come along and say 'oh that game was honestly terrible... but it wasnt bad'.... maybe games like dark souls where you 'love to hate it, and hate to love it'.... but thats a different story than what we have in DUST currently...
i only 'play' (read AFK farm) in the hopes that the game pulls its act together at some point...
*edit* damn you nostalgia posts... +1 nebra, for inducing that... |
Jin'Tanith
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:36:00 -
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There are entirely too many dev's in this cycle, strewn from one end of this planet to the other. Central CCP in Iceland needs to start being capricious, in a truly Steve fashion, and start doing EEO (aka, Elevator Employment Opportunities) with the lesser Dev's. When people wonder if they are going to be employed when they reach their floor, truly creative ideas flourish. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
The Generals EoN.
87
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:19:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) What happens when all feel like this do go away as you say, enjoy your empty game world. You need to realise for a game like this to work you need every one on board not just the fan boys or the down ward spiral will continue, you need to ask people to stay and not be so short sighted. Yes, finally someone who gets it. Negative thinking breeds negative result. Yes this game has flaws, but they are fixable. There is no game out there without flaws and glitches, NONE. When ps4 hits and we are all playing ps2 we will have many complaints and find glitches, just right now this is the game we are playing. Go play cod that you pay 60 bucks for and look at the flaws and connect issues and troll thier forums, you'll see a lot of the same complaints. I remain positive and hopefull. Also new players that join the forums to learn about this game and get help from some of us senior players get turned off by all the negativity, leading to player drop off, the bigger problem this game has my friends. |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
610
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:29:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) What happens when all feel like this do go away as you say, enjoy your empty game world. You need to realise for a game like this to work you need every one on board not just the fan boys or the down ward spiral will continue, you need to ask people to stay and not be so short sighted. Yes, finally someone who gets it. Negative thinking breeds negative result. Yes this game has flaws, but they are fixable. There is no game out there without flaws and glitches, NONE. When ps4 hits and we are all playing ps2 we will have many complaints and find glitches, just right now this is the game we are playing. Go play cod that you pay 60 bucks for and look at the flaws and connect issues and troll thier forums, you'll see a lot of the same complaints. I remain positive and hopefull. Also new players that join the forums to learn about this game and get help from some of us senior players get turned off by all the negativity, leading to player drop off, the bigger problem this game has my friends. That's all fine and good, until you realise that in 14 months of being positive CCP have done barely anything. Why would they, if the entire community is singing praises to them?
We will be positive once they actually give us a reason to be positive that isn't Soon(TM). |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1711
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:36:00 -
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Last I checked, new players barely come on here unless to tell us they're quitting because they don't feel like grinding for months while padding someone else's KDR. Yeah, foregoing matchmaking was totally worth it... |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
275
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:13:00 -
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Dust is so bad, all the Internet trolls are making serious posts.
I'm with you OP. Right now I'm more excited about seeing all the games at E3.
CCP you got until the PS4 goes on sale. Then I'm out. |
DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
21
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:35:00 -
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Ok I agree 100% with this post and if you agree you should like it and comment on it the reason dust is becomming horribly boring is CCP doesn't have FPS experience so c below
I hate to keep posting these ideas but read these posts
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87077&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86172&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81339&find=unread |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:59:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Dust is so bad, all the Internet trolls are making serious posts.
I'm with you OP. Right now I'm more excited about seeing all the games at E3.
CCP you got until the PS4 goes on sale. Then I'm out. Seems to be the theme here, planetside 2 and ps4 will be taking me away this holiday season. |
FoxFour Failed
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:30:00 -
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Yeah I will have both Sony Consoles this holiday so many many titles for free |
Planetside2 SchitsonDust
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:02:00 -
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After the latest patch I am not impressed either, leap in the wrong direction. |
DustisDoomed
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:38:00 -
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New players please watch for the good of new eden
Long watch but great watch |
Planetside2 GOTY
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:55:00 -
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I am amused with this fight |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
638
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Last I checked, new players barely come on here unless to tell us they're quitting because they don't feel like grinding for months while padding someone else's KDR. Yeah, foregoing matchmaking was totally worth it... They do have matchmaking. But either its not working properly, or the game is so bad they can't get a good enough pool of players to pull from to match us. Or both. |
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