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Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:01:00 -
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@General Technique
lolwut? Just using gear alone wont work. Why? Because you gain SP over time... So eventually even a horrible player will get some proto gear, but even then he will still be a bad player.
You seem like you hate the thought of a challenge, and havent learned how to take a loss. How is matchmaking based on skill a scam? You sound borderline fanatic. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
357
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:07:00 -
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I can't see any way that matchmaking will work in this game.
If i am stuck (with my 12 million SP) playing the same 16v16 lobby in IB, cause we're literally the only 32 people on in the 'high bracket', then there is really going to be no point in playing.
They needed to make a system that incentivizes through rewards, not just excluding high SP players altogether.
They should have put their efforts towards making FW worthwhile instead of implementing a matchmaking system for IB that probably will do very little. As it is... there is not that many people online at any one time, and I usually end up playing IB against the same people over and over anyways. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:13:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a gear-based gate, like, fittings with meta-levels above 1 are nixed from play in the low-tier game. That's a strict-gear based way. Even if you can wear proto gear, you can't actually use fittings with it in those matches.
An alternate scheme (also-gear-based) that looked at the gear unlocked (if you're capable of wearing proto shield extenders, proto ARs, etc.) would probably work too, and you could flex that around how much weaponry/modules/suits you've actually unlocked.
I think both of those probably work better than a pure SP-earned, since an SP-earned system punishes people for saving SP. Saving SP seems to be the CCP solution for "no-respecs", so it would seem hypocritical to have a system that's punitive to people that are waiting for the unreleased content they won't be getting respecs for. If you want to save 12 million SP and spend none of it, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to compete in the lower tiers I'd think. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:23:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I can't see any way that matchmaking will work in this game.
If i am stuck (with my 12 million SP) playing the same 16v16 lobby in IB, cause we're literally the only 32 people on in the 'high bracket', then there is really going to be no point in playing.
They needed to make a system that incentivizes through rewards, not just excluding high SP players altogether.
They should have put their efforts towards making FW worthwhile instead of implementing a matchmaking system for IB that probably will do very little. As it is... there is not that many people online at any one time, and I usually end up playing IB against the same people over and over anyways.
Thats if they have a bracketed/gated/barrier for each skill level which isnt going to work. Ive said this several times already in the thread while proposing a way to help alleviate noobstomping to a minimum. It will still happen but not as frequently in Quickmatches. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:41:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:@General Technique
lolwut? Just using gear alone wont work. Why? Because you gain SP over time... So eventually even a horrible player will get some proto gear, but even then he will still be a bad player.
You seem like you hate the thought of a challenge, and havent learned how to take a loss. How is matchmaking based on skill a scam? You sound borderline fanatic.
Don't get it twisted. I said gear/LEVEL matchmaker.
I don't care the "skill" level of my opponent. Put us on the same playing field and let the PLAYERS dictate the gamePLAY experience from there.
Stop trying to paint your carebear logic with "l337" camoflage. Not gonna change anything.
My goodness... no wonder Dust is in the craptastic carebear state it's in currently. Was the early beta flooded with you guys or something?
Why you so afraid of being tiered off in gear/level matches? Why are you so obsessed with the ELO training wheels and win/loss booster bra?
I tell you right now, point blank.... Dust can't survive with an ELO or win/loss matchmaker in place.
Playerbase is too tiny, the scope of the game is too large, the multiplayer is too massive(supposedly)
If it's added, the game will wither away and die... faster. But, instead of bringing that all up I "wanted" to just speak on my opinions on carebear matchmakers.... nice job getting me to make another prediction that I'll be praying never comes true, carebro. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:48:00 -
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Because of your frequent use of the phrase "carebear". Im going to ask you to go back to EvE and never come back. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
358
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:48:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:I wouldn't mind a gear-based gate, like, fittings with meta-levels above 1 are nixed from play in the low-tier game. That's a strict-gear based way. Even if you can wear proto gear, you can't actually use fittings with it in those matches.
An alternate scheme (also-gear-based) that looked at the gear unlocked (if you're capable of wearing proto shield extenders, proto ARs, etc.) would probably work too, and you could flex that around how much weaponry/modules/suits you've actually unlocked.
I think both of those probably work better than a pure SP-earned, since an SP-earned system punishes people for saving SP. Saving SP seems to be the CCP solution for "no-respecs", so it would seem hypocritical to have a system that's punitive to people that are waiting for the unreleased content they won't be getting respecs for. If you want to save 12 million SP and spend none of it, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to compete in the lower tiers I'd think.
I would totally be happy with this.
If they released an IB game mode that only allowed meta-1 items. I can guarantee everyone would flock to that game mode in a heartbeat.
In fact... just make all of IB standard gear only, FW and PC can be where proto gear lives. And then adjust ISK/SP rewards and add in a loyalty system into FW to make it so that its worthwhile to run in there. |
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