DUST Search - I wonder how matchmaking will work. (speculation/input)

SENATOR KODOS wrote:

General Technique wrote:

SENATOR KODOS wrote:

It wont work due to low player base.
It will be like BFMC.
All the high end players had no one to play.

Are you referring to Battlefield Modern Combat? If so, that game had no matchmaker.

As far as "high-end players" having no one to play, that was only true for clanmatches for the wellknown clans. At least that was the case on the xbox360.

Most of my clan quit that game when the best we could do was get one clan match per week (if we were lucky), and that was always some thrown together clan of all the top players in the game... seemingly with the ultimate purpose of trying to give the top clan on the leaderboard a loss (they always disbanded after their first losses), or it was a rival clan that would ignore our challenges 99% of the time, then suddenly challenges and bring at full team of ringers made up of... you guessed, the top players in the game, lol.

Wouldn't have been so bad if it was an hourly or even daily occurence, but weekly... and only against awkward iterations of the same top 10 or so beasts in the game? We left BFMC for chromehounds... that says it all, lol.

~The X box 360 (creator of 360_Mafia)

Ya It did have matchmaking.
There was a low mid and high end.
We used to have to de rank because there wasnt anyone to play.
All the games available were in the mid rank.


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General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:59:00 - [1] - Quote SENATOR KODOS wrote: It wont work due to low player base. It will be like BFMC. All the high end players had no one to play. Are you referring to Battlefield Modern Combat? If so, that game had no matchmaker. As far as "high-end players" having no one to play, that was only true for clanmatches for the wellknown clans. At least that was the case on the xbox360. Most of my clan quit that game when the best we could do was get one clan match per week (if we were lucky), and that was always some thrown together clan of all the top players in the game... seemingly with the ultimate purpose of trying to give the top clan on the leaderboard a loss (they always disbanded after their first losses), or it was a rival clan that would ignore our challenges 99% of the time, then suddenly challenges and bring at full team of ringers made up of... you guessed, the top players in the game, lol. Wouldn't have been so bad if it was an hourly or even daily occurence, but weekly... and only against awkward iterations of the same top 10 or so beasts in the game? We left BFMC for chromehounds... that says it all, lol. It was kind of our own fault, though. We constantly taunted other good clans about how we went 114-0 before receiving our first loss, challenging any other clan to just pull off a mere 100-0 if they could. Never happened again as far as I'm aware. Not on the xbox360. Like you said, high-end players couldn't get enough matches. ~The X box 360 (creator of 360_Mafia) I just realized that there's just no possible way you could have been talking about BF:Modern Combat. What the heck does BFMC stand for?
General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2013.06.13 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote SENATOR KODOS wrote: General Technique wrote: SENATOR KODOS wrote: It wont work due to low player base. It will be like BFMC. All the high end players had no one to play. Are you referring to Battlefield Modern Combat? If so, that game had no matchmaker. As far as "high-end players" having no one to play, that was only true for clanmatches for the wellknown clans. At least that was the case on the xbox360. Most of my clan quit that game when the best we could do was get one clan match per week (if we were lucky), and that was always some thrown together clan of all the top players in the game... seemingly with the ultimate purpose of trying to give the top clan on the leaderboard a loss (they always disbanded after their first losses), or it was a rival clan that would ignore our challenges 99% of the time, then suddenly challenges and bring at full team of ringers made up of... you guessed, the top players in the game, lol. Wouldn't have been so bad if it was an hourly or even daily occurence, but weekly... and only against awkward iterations of the same top 10 or so beasts in the game? We left BFMC for chromehounds... that says it all, lol. ~The X box 360 (creator of 360_Mafia) Ya It did have matchmaking. There was a low mid and high end. We used to have to de rank because there wasnt anyone to play. All the games available were in the mid rank. Battlefied: Modern Combat? On the Xbox 360? That's BS, bro. lol The Clanmatches were all "challenge based" You queue'd up for clanwars, and any other clans that were queue'd up could then issue a challenge to your clan and vise versa. As for pub matches, you just chose from the region server list thing (there may have been some type of matchmaking there at some point but I doubt it). You could even go to the leaderboard, look up a players personal info.... and if they were currently in a game you could join their match if there was any room. That's how we used to go troll boosters and and bragbads.
General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.06.13 23:51:00 - [3] - Quote Acezero 44 wrote: ELO match maker, based on who you kill/die to. not win ratio, or anything else,. ELO is just as bad as win/loss. always has been, always will be. I don't won't to be matchmaker teamed with scrubs while being forced to play against better players, just because I've been performing too well in matches. I don't care if it's counting my wins or kills, I'm never gonna be fan of that carebear **. Match-make on nothing but the gear/level options "available" to the the players. That puts players on an even playing field. Skill based matchmaking has always been a scam and always will be. In that regard it's worse than pure win/loss portion matchmaking. There's just no way to matchmake based on skill. It's a lie, always has been always will be. What they CAN do is add some carebear ELO ** in there and provide the "illusion" that you're being matchmade based on your skill level. What happens when you do really great? - The matchmaker places you in progressively impossible to win situations until you start to lose (forcing a loss on you) What happens when you suk badly? - The matchmaker places you in progressively carebearer situations until you start to win. That's not true skill level based matchmaking. That's trying to carebear as large a portion of the playerbase as possible in order to keep them happy. Spreading the success around, if you will. What's the best thing for a truly skilled player to do in ELO matchmakers? Stack your party with as many fellow skilled players as the pub cap allows, then pubstomp all the bads and roll all all the skilled players foolish enough to queue up solo (or without a max party). However, that's not being matched with your skill level either, nor is it competitive gameplay. Carebear matchmakers just suk balls. End of story. Match-make based purely off of available gear/level, and nothing else. The only "skilled" way to do it. Otherwise, you're just giving in to the carebear idiocy the rest of the casual-infatuated sector of the gaming industry does.
General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.06.14 00:41:00 - [4] - Quote Anita Hardone wrote: @General Technique lolwut? Just using gear alone wont work. Why? Because you gain SP over time... So eventually even a horrible player will get some proto gear, but even then he will still be a bad player. You seem like you hate the thought of a challenge, and havent learned how to take a loss. How is matchmaking based on skill a scam? You sound borderline fanatic. Don't get it twisted. I said gear/LEVEL matchmaker. I don't care the "skill" level of my opponent. Put us on the same playing field and let the PLAYERS dictate the gamePLAY experience from there. Stop trying to paint your carebear logic with "l337" camoflage. Not gonna change anything. My goodness... no wonder Dust is in the craptastic carebear state it's in currently. Was the early beta flooded with you guys or something? Why you so afraid of being tiered off in gear/level matches? Why are you so obsessed with the ELO training wheels and win/loss booster bra? I tell you right now, point blank.... Dust can't survive with an ELO or win/loss matchmaker in place. Playerbase is too tiny, the scope of the game is too large, the multiplayer is too massive(supposedly) If it's added, the game will wither away and die... faster. But, instead of bringing that all up I "wanted" to just speak on my opinions on carebear matchmakers.... nice job getting me to make another prediction that I'll be praying never comes true, carebro.