This would give DS a purpose
they could be used to travel SAFETLY between different locations in the upper part of the map, where the tanks are and LAVS can afford to go beacuse it would be insta death for them
They might get some buff too
along with missiles and turrets

Your idea could literally fix any kind of problem with have ever had with vehicles

Yeah, I'm not keen on it if we CAN'T go take our AV out and beat on tanks and jeeps.

Also, in this world, it's going to be REALLY difficult to make a living as a sniper. CQC is no place for a sniper rifle

They have shown zero interest in placing objectives in buildings or at defendable choke points, look at the domination maps - A perfectly good city/pyramid like 100 meters away from a console out in the middle of nowhere.

And the installation placement,,, ugh... so bad...

Yeah, I'm not keen on it if we CAN'T go take our AV out and beat on tanks and jeeps.

Also, in this world, it's going to be REALLY difficult to make a living as a sniper. CQC is no place for a sniper rifle

I see your complaint and move to give a rebuttle.

You fail to use your imagination, good sir. Invision a huge complex which tanks simply cannot access, but is still quite open. I'm talking 250-300m spaces between buildings. Giant clocktowers or so which look down on the whole complex and the rest of the map so a sniper could kill any infantry, spot any tank, and direct his troops. Snipers WOULD have a use. Let's also pretend artillery tanks existed and a sniper could equip a tool to his weapon that would automatically give grid coordinates to the artillery tank at extreme ranges. Then the sniper gets kill credits and the tank gets assists because the sniper spotted and painted the target. Snipers and tanks would become an integral part of one another, as well as working with the infantry to make sure they were safe at all terms. The sniper would be necessary on every map.

I think the installations are positioned so that they aren't too "all seeing" as it would be hard to imagine them always being blocked by accident.

what we need are some layouts. I mean if we could come up with some actual maps, even just sketches that might help push this along. You could even post/link them here. We need more good ideas and we need to build on them as a community as well.

Great idea, only problem I see with this is that you are asking CCP to do something they are just not capable of doing.

It would be awesome if they gave us some kind of basic autoCAD with modules for all of the different buildings and whatnot and then let us generate community maps.

I don't mean the whole program, just something simple where we could design the map like the "view from space" for each map we currently have.

I hope that makes sense.

OP this community needs more brains like yours
soo...
Get to a cloning station and clone yourself 1000 times then go to CCP head quarters and tell them your
freaking BRILLIANT ideas, and if they dont listen clone yourself more times and kidnapp them or something like that

That would be cool for when we can control planets. There could be a UI similar to planetary interaction that would let you arrange the set up, buildings, etc. Yet, I doubt that would happen any time soon. Again I think we should focus on more immediate layouts. Those that could implemented into the existing games like ambush, skirmish, etc. Just more layouts is enough to go after imo.

CCP, this is how we balance vehicles!

Exactly, a sniper could own the streets and rooftops of an area blocked off to tanks, but if the infantry are INSIDE those buildings, the sniper can't hit them. EVERYBODY is OP in their own environment, and everybody is UP out of it. Now the niche roles come back. Now nobody needs to nerf anything bc everybody is equally OP.

Right, that is kinda what I meant. Give us a barebones program like Dungeon Designer with pieces for all of the pieces they currently have and let us build the map from the components they give us.

Each "finished" map could be put up for approval by the community on a special sub-forum, then they just need to build it to spec.

Frankly,
initial thought: Terrible


But afterwards: good idea. Open areas CAN be vehicles domination area while in cities they have absolutely no part, many areas they even cannot enter.

Although I do see merit to the over all essence of your idea I'm still feeling a heavy under tone of the whole game should be played at AR range.

Please forgive me if this is not your intention but sometimes it would seem we are gravitating toward a middle ground. Meaning that we are relegating "specialty" roles such as pilots, snipers, tankers, assassin scouts, ect to a small and smaller portion of the game in the name of balance.

I would contest that real balance comes in the form of being able to choose any class in the game and feeling like you are contributing to the battle in a way that rewards both you and the team. Balance also comes when it's never a good idea to do the exact same thing the entire battle. In other words your constantly changing what build you spawn in or have available because the situation changed.

Indoor combat is a much needed addition to the game, and indeed would go a long way help balance the games many weapons by creating additional layers of situation combat engagements. Those situations should be constantly changing as the battle takes a life of it's own.

I get the feeling this is in the pipe in like five years when we are not limited by the PS3. I really wish ccp would drop the PS3 6mo to a year after PS4 release.

I was thinking about this before in the context of the idea of raiding the inside of a Titan (or another ship really). They seem to prefer maps where vehicle people have something to do, but there are map possibilities that you couldn't realistically call a vehicle in.

I wonder if they feel like all maps need to be setup so people can call in vehicles. I can appreciate that specializing in vehicles is expensive in SP, but it shouldn't limit map/gameplay options. Maybe indoor/spaceship-breach maps could have special roles for vehicle people - like indoor security systems that require tank/ds/lav skills to operate or lockdown.

+1

As far as I understand from Logicloop's last dev-block they're already considering the interaction of infantry and vehicles when designing the maps. That's why all maps except Manus Peak have some area where infantry is at an advantage and some area where it isn't.

That said the distinction could be clearer. And Manus Peak is really infuriating.

I Why exactly would a 50000 hp tank suck in a city? .

Tank comes into a city, AV infantry pushes HAV back into a corner.

Now you have AV dudes on rooftops anwutnot focusing fire on the tank while other infantry fends off any red dots trying to rescue the tank.

A smart HAV driver wouldn't put themselves into a predicament where they'd be at a disadvantage in a tight place such as a city where there's not much room to maneuver/run/hide.

That's just one example.

The long and short of it... CCP can't do lots of indoor spaces on the PS3, and have stopped trying.
(this is summary from forum posts and talks with devs)

No current AV could touch the buffed tanks. How is a tank going to be pushed into a corner by weapons that barely scratch it? All 16 mercs could run proto forge and one of odells super tanks would still be safe.

I just read the OP. The idea is flawed, we know you are a tanker and seem to want an untouchable tank. Why exactly would a 50000 hp tank suck in a city? How would AV heavies be relevant? Again I reiterate, your idea is biased to your play style and its not good.

Hiding the problem doesn't fix the problem.
This is just separating them.

Although I feel like the main problem is the player base. I feel that infantry should only be needed for covert ops, hacking, and fighting only where vehicles won't go.
The playerbase seems to believe that vehicles are some killstreak to rarely support infantry.

I like the idea of environmental OPness. Vehicles own this, infantry that, and everyone has SOMEWHERE they're good at. This guy needs as much attention as possible until CCP has this idea burned into their brains forever. +1

Also, I'd like to see destructability in these maps. Granted that a tank can't level a whole city in five minutes, but don't expect to have a whole team camp in one room. I just feel like tanks should be demolition, destroying installations, cover, everything. Not so much anti infantry.

Which, IRL, is how they're used. No military uses infantry where vehicles would better be utilized. Imagine this, there is a spawn point above the only entrance to an underground bunker with an objective beneath it. Holding the objective ABOVE GROUND would require vehicles, however, once underground, vehicles count for nothing. That would put infantry and vehicles to use very well and nobody would be UP, but everyone could still be OP in their own right.

Well, it's more or less close that that already, imo. The area around objectives aren't exactly easy to squeeze a vehicle into. And if you manage it, it's very dangerous.

bumping the crap out if this post

Alot of undercover/indoor areas means close quarters with tanking. From my experience CQC with tanks means tankie go bye bye

Ok kill all tanks immediatly?

Whats the point of tanking?

+1

Every weapon, dropsuit & vehicle needs to have at least 1 situation / environment where they are not matched by anything else. Except for ARs they ought to be the average at everything bad at nothing kind of deal.

The idea is certainly appealing but you would need genuinely large scale battles involving 100+ players on each side. Otherwise tank battles would quickly become boring with only the odd couple of tanks on each side until 1 side losses a couple and stops bringing them in.

You would need to have at least 20-40 people bringing in vehicles on each side to make it interesting. Then you would need to factor in the other vehicle types like jets, bombers, MTACs and tank buster airplanes. You can forget about dropships acting as taxi's as at some point they need to get close to the ground and a 10k dps rail gun tank would gut it in less than a couple of seconds, assuming they get a big buff. Dropships won't be viable until the enemy tanks and jets etc are destroyed or pushed out of range.

You would also need anti tank and anti air hard points attached to installations as well.

The battles would be glorious but you will need very large maps and a massive number of players in that battle to make it viable.

My thread has been revived!

I really want indoor spaces. Some of my favorite FPS experiences were the room by room fighting in Planetside One.

Thats last attempt to defend a control room before it was stormed. Or the tower fights on that last toehold on a continent.

Epic gaming.

My thread has been revived!

Underground facilities, this relates to our memory problems with interiors in general. We want them too and will find a way to do it eventually.

We have specific road map right now and things like this are not a priority right now, but they are in our minds and in things we want to do in the future.

id rather the full integration of infantry and vehicles. I didn't spec into tanks to be forced to primarily fight other tanks. I like supporting infantry. What happens when their whole team is inside a building and im stuck outside with my thumb up my bum. fighting some ***** redline tanker. That doesn't sound very fun.