So much for "free-to-play" on the PS4, no?


Oddly, enough, I came to the forum expecting to see an uproar about this new revelation only to find out that it seems the playerbase is as of yet still unaware of the situation.

Pause the following video at 12 seconds and read the bottom line of the fine print disclaimer on the screen. Read it very carefully.
Then read it again..... very carefully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stiYAbaJY1w


Discuss?

You're assuming that Dust will make it to PS4.

Sony hasn't been doing well? What universe do you live in?

Massive reduction in revenue, even though still cash positive, is considered 'not doing well' in the business world, and leads to desperate decisions.

Execs bonuses are at stake here

The funny thing is it will be. Read it up before you post

U can't run a free service forever luckly the well traind m-drones are allready used to this lol. Also I play a lot more games than just dust so I would need a sub anyway. So this really is not a factor

I'd pay for PS+ membership since it has great benefits. The only reason I don't now is because I've never had to.

I don't believe it says anywhere that all multiplayer games require the plus membership.

I think I'll survive with only $5 a month.

That is literally cheaper than a bag of apples.

People still buy apples by the bag?

Yeah we do!

I'd pay for PS+ membership since it has great benefits. The only reason I don't now is because I've never had to.

The funny thing is it will be. Read it up before you post

Pics or it didn't happen

Source?

Digital Spy asked CCP chief marketing officer David Reid if there are any plans to carry Dust 514 over to the next-generation.

"Oh absolutely. It's always the thing you think about," Reid explained.

You're assuming that Dust will make it to PS4.

Is this a Canadian thing like bagged milk?

Yeah, just take a look at Apple. Stock prices have dropped by massive amounts, just because they can't manage to dominate the cell industry as much as they used to. They are still king of kings, but they're stocks have taken a more massive hit than any other international cell manufacturer..... go figure.

The PS4 is going to go downhill. I mean what the hell, only singleplayer for buying the console? And then we gotta pay extra to play online! Wow, Microsoft might be successful if they don't pull up paid online services ****. I might buy a WiiU or 3DS this year.

The PS4 is going to go downhill. I mean what the hell, only singleplayer for buying the console? And then we gotta pay extra to play online! Wow, Microsoft might be successful if they don't pull up paid online services ****. I might buy a WiiU or 3DS this year.

Nope, Microsoft will keep the same subscription model. PS4 will add a subscription model also but it will be cheaper and come with free goodies, so if you take advantage of the discounts and free stuff PS+ is free.

Nope, Microsoft will keep the same subscription model. PS4 will add a subscription model also but it will be cheaper and come with free goodies, so if you take advantage of the discounts and free stuff PS+ is free.

Last year if you spent $50 you received a $10 credit, that dropped the price to $40 and I get 2-5 games a month that I like. I gave my son a year on plus for his birthday and he loves it. All his money can be spent on other things and he still gets "new" games. I don't have one complaint about plus.

Ahhhh.... You own a PS3 you already have an account - you log into it every time you turn it on. So maybe now the ps4 may or may not require an active ps+ account? So... ummm never mind. If someone gets their wish and the sky turns purple, they'll still whine and complain about the grass being green.

No, bro. You'll get a PS4.... and you will pay for PS+ ......... and you will eat your medicine and like it.

It's not so bad. Just look at all the fanbros comment about how it's not so bad.

Oh, by the way, PS+ is priced exactly the same way/amount as Xboxlive Gold is. So, wrap your head around that one, LOL.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

Sony is moving away from physical disc-based games and moving everything into digital. (in an attempt to rightfully shove a foot up gamestop's ass). As such, they need to now generate revenue to fund their MUCH larger networking issues that come with providing everything digitally. Subscription was something that was seen coming a mile away.

On a side note, Yes Dust 514 is coming to the PS4. Dust currently is in beta on ps3, and will forever be in beta as long as its on the ps3.

why you ask?

All of their ideas originally were developed on the Carbon Engine (CCP's own engine). The ps3 cannot handle the carbon engine for it melts the console from overheating. Since the dust closed beta was released, more then half of the ideas CCP has been coming up with and teasing us about developing them, cannot be done on the ps3, for it does not have the hardware to accomplish the tasks.

Hence when you look at the initial gameplay videos of dust, they look FAR better then whats currently being provided.

Dust was built to run on the Carbon Engine, CCP found out they couldn't use it so instead of postponing the whole project and waiting for the ps4, they decided to use a 10 year old unreal engine 3 they have never used before, and started coding everything to work with technology a decade old, JUST to provide its customer with the game they showcased.

CCP has gone to great lengths to provide us with this beta, to test their baby as it grows into the sprawling adult the game was originally intended to be...so when it DOES hit the ps4, theres YEARS of beta testing data they won't need to acquire.

Enjoy this PS3 beta until the actual game releases on the system that can handle the game mechanics being developed. , i am

And now the main reason people are going to buy the PS4 is because of its awesome internet capabilities that will be fully protected, thanks to your subscription paying for the security of your online experience.

I'm not paying no **** for security, Sony already showed their AMAZING security when a 19 year old kid hacked the PS network.

Finally, another rational gamer whom isn't content on being a blind head-in-the-sand fanbro.

You're absolutely right. All of us here know damn well that one of the biggest selling points for the PS3 was that PSN was free-to-play over. We've all enjoyed that feature at one point.
There's no reason to act like it doesn't matter that Sony is taking that away, except rabid fanboyism. It's a blow to the platform, and a bit of a backstab to the loyal fanbase, but whateva we're all PS+ bros now so lets move forward

Ignoring the simplistic and ignorant way of stating that event :

So that means you don't use Xbox right? Cause you know, microsoft charges for their online and the same thing happened to them.

If the PS4 can handle Carbon... all of my money, CCP. After I pay for PS+ of course...

5 dollars is not a big deal especially when compared to the console alternative of paying 5 dollars with the xbox for online capabilities and no benefits like with the ps+, 100 dollars more for the console with near identical specs, and so many problems I won't evene bother listing them here.

If I choose to buy a console it will obviously be a ps4.

A wise thing to do would be to buy PS Plus for a year, since it's $10 cheaper than $5x12=$60.

true and at least my ps4 won't brick if I don't pay it.

A question:

Dust 514 runs directly on CCP-¦s servers, do the other games do the same or they all run on a Sony one?

PS4 officially wins hands down

The only black mark is thet PS+ sub but with what you get which is what free games every month/beta access/cloud saves so if PS4 break you dont lose your saves/discounts but since ive decided to boycott EA games i save at least -ú50 which can go on then PS+ instead which i will use

You could decide to buy the XBOX 1984 with TV instead, just make sure you have doritoes and dew in the room so the kinect can see it

EA are ditching online passes BTW.

Says you need ps plus subscription for multi play. Not online play.

Ie. hand your buddy your game. If you both have ps+ you can both play the same game simultaneously online. You will have installed it - he will play from the disc.

That's what I've gathered from everything anyway. Being able to lend your game without losin the ability to play it. Seems cool.

I have yet to see anything that says ps+ is required for online play.

Also this doesn't apply to dust. Physical disc copies only.

it only bricks if you try and use it without the internet.

I'd pay for PS+ membership since it has great benefits. The only reason I don't now is because I've never had to.

+1 Agreed.

PS3 was my first console since I had absolutely no interest in consoles. Bought it for DUST.

Also bought PS+ to maximize my chances of getting in as early as possible, again had no interest in PS+ outside of that.

But i have to admit now PS+ is a great deal, I have lots of good title I don't have the time to play - spending a little time in my free copy of Deus Ex Human Revolution right now. Playe the original but never would have bought the sequal.

Anyway, I've more than got my money back fom PS+.

Says you need ps plus subscription for multi play. Not online play.

Ie. hand your buddy your game. If you both have ps+ you can both play the same game simultaneously online. You will have installed it - he will play from the disc.

That's what I've gathered from everything anyway. Being able to lend your game without losin the ability to play it. Seems cool.

I have yet to see anything that says ps+ is required for online play.

Also this doesn't apply to dust. Physical disc copies only.

Thank you for posting the correct answer sir.

yeh lol, this isw old news for anyone paying attention a year ago when it was leaked ( purposefully most likely to get a feel for reaction)

Check out the PS4's hardware man. It CAN handle Carbon! Now on to the 2 and a half year wait...

Says you need ps plus subscription for multi play. Not online play.

Ie. hand your buddy your game. If you both have ps+ you can both play the same game simultaneously online. You will have installed it - he will play from the disc.

That's what I've gathered from everything anyway. Being able to lend your game without losin the ability to play it. Seems cool.

I have yet to see anything that says ps+ is required for online play.

Also this doesn't apply to dust. Physical disc copies only.

I don't like monthly bills, even small ones. Too bad there isn't an option to plaster my tv with banner ads because I'd rather deal with the ads then pay another monthly bill.

They announced this months ago, an exec leaked it. If you purchase any second hand game you will be required to pay for + to have online content or you will have tp pay an unlock fee for the game.

You're assuming that Dust will make it to PS4.

What I want to know is if when PS4 comes out, does PS3 multiplayer gaming have to be subscription based as well.

You only pay one subscription fee for gaming on all platforms (PS4, PS3, Vita) but if you go the next 3-5 years on only PS3, can you remain with free multiplayer???

hmmmmm

Also are Publishers going to keep their online passes etc on Sony titles since Sony is allowing used games. Interesting times ahead.

The funny thing is it will be. Read it up before you post

i'm still waiting for an official statement regarding access to normal multiplayer for new games like we are currently getting for free. the OP's video is about shared games and the arstechnica screen shot is about what you get with PS+. is "immersive multiplayer" the cross game chat?

i would really like a quote or source that actually says something like "if you buy a new online FPS for PS4, you'll need PS+ to play it online", not "multi play"Gäó not "immersive multiplayer"Gäó. if someone comes across such a source today please reply back here. i'll be keeping my eyes out for one as well.


--edit--

ahh, crap. confirmed by Shuhei Yoshida's twitter ( @yosp : President of Worldwide Studios, Sony Computer Entertainment. )
see his tweet replay here : https://twitter.com/9Matt2/status/344364864619294720

I actually dont care.

Shocking I know.

You still get the PS+ Benefits (17 Games a year, discounts, Betas .etc) Its not like you're just getting online.

Although, with this extra money, I hope Sony put it towards securing PSN (Dont want a repeat of last year), increases PS4 download speed, I get 1.5mb/s on Steam (A free service) and around an average of 500mb/s (Sometimes worse) on PS3.

And one last thing, I really hope once one person in a household or one account on the PS4 has PS+, every account or member of the household get to go online, anything else is a huge rip-off.

(I also hope the PS4 comes bundled with a year or even a month of PS+, just because I want it to )

Although, this could be the end of the Online Pass in Sony published games..... hopefully.....

You're required to pay for a PS+ subscription to use the PS4. Not just to play Dust.

Although, with this extra money, I hope Sony put it towards securing PSN (Dont want a repeat of last year), increases PS4 download speed, I get 1.5 MB/s on Steam (A free service) and around an average of 500 KB/s (Sometimes worse) on PS3.

$50/year + discounts for purchases, free games, online storage and early access to betas doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Not like I'm planning on paying anything for Dust 514 anytime soon...

It's 60 bucks a year for an eksbawks live gold membership... Just saying. PS+ is getting off cheap.

and i can do that on my pc for free why pay for internet and then have to pay to use on your machine. Its pretty freakin stupid exactly the reason i hate xbox and luv ps3. well i guess i going purily pc then if thats the case.

*purely

You'll regret doing that.... evntually. Trust me. PC online shooter gaming ain't all it's been cracked up to be.

One word: Hackers


If you do go purely PC, I recommend that you primarily stick with Steam. You'll enjoy yourself a lot more that way.
You could check out EA's Origin if you'd like, but they do next to nothing against hacks and... well, it's Ea so be sure to take your kneepads and K-Y jelly with you.

At the moment I play on both the PS3, Xbox 360, and the Mac. In all probability I will be dropping my Xbox gold subscription as I am currently not that impressed with the Xbox One as a games machine.

The reason, many years ago, I went with the Xbox was the controller. I absolutely hate the DS controller you get as standard with the various versions of the Playstation. They were just so small and awkward, even painful, to use for lengthy periods of time.

So if I move from Xbox to Playstation it will be no big deal moving my subscription as well. But before I buy the PS4 I will wait to see what controllers become available.

I assume there is a reason for it but I never understood the reason why Sony stuck with that 1 controller design for all these years. If third party designers could produce Xbox like controllers then why couldn't Sony.

Do you as FPS players prefer the DS3 controller over an Xbox controller clone produced by a third party for the Playstation?

And I realise many prefer KB&M over any controller but this question is for those who use the controller most if not all of the time.

the sony controller is superior in any way and the size is perfect. I am sorry for you that you have crippled fingers and cant use it :)

the xbox controller feels like a brick.

$5 per account
multiple accounts
this could get expensive

my poor alts...doomed to remain on ps3 forever

Did you mean "play" it? And, why would it brick? That has to be the stupidest rumour I've heard so far.

Planetside 2 and DCUO won't need Plus to be playable. Sony has said it is the call of the publishers whether or not their games will be infront of or behind the paywall.

Nice! Can I has links?

PS4 officially wins hands down

The only black mark is thet PS+ sub but with what you get which is what free games every month/beta access/cloud saves so if PS4 break you dont lose your saves/discounts but since ive decided to boycott EA games i save at least -ú50 which can go on then PS+ instead which i will use

You could decide to buy the XBOX 1984 with TV instead, just make sure you have doritoes and dew in the room so the kinect can see it