Is this a Canadian thing like bagged milk?

Yeah, just take a look at Apple. Stock prices have dropped by massive amounts, just because they can't manage to dominate the cell industry as much as they used to. They are still king of kings, but they're stocks have taken a more massive hit than any other international cell manufacturer..... go figure.

The PS4 is going to go downhill. I mean what the hell, only singleplayer for buying the console? And then we gotta pay extra to play online! Wow, Microsoft might be successful if they don't pull up paid online services ****. I might buy a WiiU or 3DS this year.

The PS4 is going to go downhill. I mean what the hell, only singleplayer for buying the console? And then we gotta pay extra to play online! Wow, Microsoft might be successful if they don't pull up paid online services ****. I might buy a WiiU or 3DS this year.

Nope, Microsoft will keep the same subscription model. PS4 will add a subscription model also but it will be cheaper and come with free goodies, so if you take advantage of the discounts and free stuff PS+ is free.

Nope, Microsoft will keep the same subscription model. PS4 will add a subscription model also but it will be cheaper and come with free goodies, so if you take advantage of the discounts and free stuff PS+ is free.

Last year if you spent $50 you received a $10 credit, that dropped the price to $40 and I get 2-5 games a month that I like. I gave my son a year on plus for his birthday and he loves it. All his money can be spent on other things and he still gets "new" games. I don't have one complaint about plus.

Ahhhh.... You own a PS3 you already have an account - you log into it every time you turn it on. So maybe now the ps4 may or may not require an active ps+ account? So... ummm never mind. If someone gets their wish and the sky turns purple, they'll still whine and complain about the grass being green.

No, bro. You'll get a PS4.... and you will pay for PS+ ......... and you will eat your medicine and like it.

It's not so bad. Just look at all the fanbros comment about how it's not so bad.

Oh, by the way, PS+ is priced exactly the same way/amount as Xboxlive Gold is. So, wrap your head around that one, LOL.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

I don't care about prices, but I didn't expect this **** from Sony, the main reason people bought a PS3 is because it has FREE ONLINE.

And, Sony are encouraging people to comment about the PS4 being cool.

Sony is moving away from physical disc-based games and moving everything into digital. (in an attempt to rightfully shove a foot up gamestop's ass). As such, they need to now generate revenue to fund their MUCH larger networking issues that come with providing everything digitally. Subscription was something that was seen coming a mile away.

On a side note, Yes Dust 514 is coming to the PS4. Dust currently is in beta on ps3, and will forever be in beta as long as its on the ps3.

why you ask?

All of their ideas originally were developed on the Carbon Engine (CCP's own engine). The ps3 cannot handle the carbon engine for it melts the console from overheating. Since the dust closed beta was released, more then half of the ideas CCP has been coming up with and teasing us about developing them, cannot be done on the ps3, for it does not have the hardware to accomplish the tasks.

Hence when you look at the initial gameplay videos of dust, they look FAR better then whats currently being provided.

Dust was built to run on the Carbon Engine, CCP found out they couldn't use it so instead of postponing the whole project and waiting for the ps4, they decided to use a 10 year old unreal engine 3 they have never used before, and started coding everything to work with technology a decade old, JUST to provide its customer with the game they showcased.

CCP has gone to great lengths to provide us with this beta, to test their baby as it grows into the sprawling adult the game was originally intended to be...so when it DOES hit the ps4, theres YEARS of beta testing data they won't need to acquire.

Enjoy this PS3 beta until the actual game releases on the system that can handle the game mechanics being developed. , i am

And now the main reason people are going to buy the PS4 is because of its awesome internet capabilities that will be fully protected, thanks to your subscription paying for the security of your online experience.

I'm not paying no **** for security, Sony already showed their AMAZING security when a 19 year old kid hacked the PS network.

Finally, another rational gamer whom isn't content on being a blind head-in-the-sand fanbro.

You're absolutely right. All of us here know damn well that one of the biggest selling points for the PS3 was that PSN was free-to-play over. We've all enjoyed that feature at one point.
There's no reason to act like it doesn't matter that Sony is taking that away, except rabid fanboyism. It's a blow to the platform, and a bit of a backstab to the loyal fanbase, but whateva we're all PS+ bros now so lets move forward

Ignoring the simplistic and ignorant way of stating that event :

So that means you don't use Xbox right? Cause you know, microsoft charges for their online and the same thing happened to them.

If the PS4 can handle Carbon... all of my money, CCP. After I pay for PS+ of course...

5 dollars is not a big deal especially when compared to the console alternative of paying 5 dollars with the xbox for online capabilities and no benefits like with the ps+, 100 dollars more for the console with near identical specs, and so many problems I won't evene bother listing them here.

If I choose to buy a console it will obviously be a ps4.

A wise thing to do would be to buy PS Plus for a year, since it's $10 cheaper than $5x12=$60.

true and at least my ps4 won't brick if I don't pay it.