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Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.06.11 07:43:00 - [1] - Quote 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed
Esper Shadows Savage Arms INC 25	Posted - 2013.06.11 07:46:00 - [2] - Quote And make LAV blaster turrets more deadly and LAV missile turrets more accurate.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:12:00 - [3] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1329	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:18:00 - [4] - Quote This stuff needs to be fixed or every new vehicle that we get will just be another joke after the next. If you think I'm joking, look at the Plasma Cannon, that thing came pre-nerfed.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:28:00 - [5] - Quote most points agreed, DS doesn't really need any love, to quote a legendary figure around here I would say "learn to fly", if your staying still enough to be hit by a forge gun I don't think the extra hardener will save ya nor do you deserve it. They do need some love in their weapons maybe, those gun gimble things are utter **** cant even shoot straight forward lol.
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:28:00 - [6] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1) Yes. 2.) Meh. Let the LAV drivers have their fun! 3&4) Quite frankly, I'd rather have the reintroduction of the skill that gives a % bonus toward vehicle powergrid. 5) Sounds good! 6) eeeeehhhh, maybe.
Felix Faraday KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.06.11 15:42:00 - [7] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: most points agreed, DS doesn't really need any love, to quote a legendary figure around here I would say "learn to fly", if your staying still enough to be hit by a forge gun I don't think the extra hardener will save ya nor do you deserve it. They do need some love in their weapons maybe, those gun gimble things are utter **** cant even shoot straight forward lol. I hope you aren't being serious. I was waiting for my free MLT LAV to drop in by my spawn point behind my redline. Saw a dropship flying around (not staying still and hovering). I jumped into the railgun installation right next to me, 2 shots later the DS was dropping down in flames, half the map away. If people on the ground are paying any type of attention, DS are absolutely worthless and so easy to kill.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 128	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:06:00 - [8] - Quote Felix Faraday wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: most points agreed, DS doesn't really need any love, to quote a legendary figure around here I would say "learn to fly", if your staying still enough to be hit by a forge gun I don't think the extra hardener will save ya nor do you deserve it. They do need some love in their weapons maybe, those gun gimble things are utter **** cant even shoot straight forward lol. I hope you aren't being serious. I was waiting for my free MLT LAV to drop in by my spawn point behind my redline. Saw a dropship flying around (not staying still and hovering). I jumped into the railgun installation right next to me, 2 shots later the DS was dropping down in flames, half the map away. If people on the ground are paying any type of attention, DS are absolutely worthless and so easy to kill. Half serious, but what is a DS currently? Its a transporter. I don't understand people who want it to be able to stay afloat the battlefield shooting down with impunity and being invurnable. Its a taxi that gets people to hard to reach places/ quickly behind enemy lines. Drop of your troops and FO/recall. Done. And besides, an ADS in the hands of a good pilot is as good as indestructible anyhoo in the hands of a good pilot, if people wanna play Blackhawk Down then they should get DOSbox and play just that.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 169	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:33:00 - [9] - Quote Felix Faraday wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: most points agreed, DS doesn't really need any love, to quote a legendary figure around here I would say "learn to fly", if your staying still enough to be hit by a forge gun I don't think the extra hardener will save ya nor do you deserve it. They do need some love in their weapons maybe, those gun gimble things are utter **** cant even shoot straight forward lol. I hope you aren't being serious. I was waiting for my free MLT LAV to drop in by my spawn point behind my redline. Saw a dropship flying around (not staying still and hovering). I jumped into the railgun installation right next to me, 2 shots later the DS was dropping down in flames, half the map away. If people on the ground are paying any type of attention, DS are absolutely worthless and so easy to kill. I agree with you... DS are to slow for their pathetic HP. They are supposed to be MA(rial)V's not lavs. Which have become MAV's
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1525	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:41:00 - [10] - Quote Esper Shadows wrote: And make LAV blaster turrets more deadly and LAV missile turrets more accurate. and do SOMETHING to make small railguns useful LAVs could also do with a PG/CPU buff

Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 399	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:45:00 - [11] - Quote Buffing my PG isn't going to do a thing to my DS. I'm a Python pilot, and I don't need more.. I just need more health. An extra high slot would be sweet, that or just more base HP.
Felix Faraday KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:46:00 - [12] - Quote Quote: Half serious, but what is a DS currently? Its a transporter. I don't understand people who want it to be able to stay afloat the battlefield shooting down with impunity and being invurnable. Its a taxi that gets people to hard to reach places/ quickly behind enemy lines. Drop of your troops and FO/recall. Done. And besides, an ADS in the hands of a good pilot is as good as indestructible anyhoo in the hands of a good pilot, if people wanna play Blackhawk Down then they should get DOSbox and play just that. I ask for a fighting chance, to not be able to be nearly instantly killed with no warning from half the map away with such ease... so clearly I'm asking to be invulnerable..... ooook. Dude, I played a match and went 25+ kills with my ADS, they are clearly OP! (ignores the fact that NO av was spawned on the ground AT ALL). I'd like to see what your definition of indestrucbile is. Never gone up against an untouchable redline railtank that can hit half the map or more? Flying the entire game as ceiling doing absolutely nothing? Never been close enough to the ground or just plan lucky enough to not have an RDV spawn right on top of you? I've yet to see a match, where real AV is being fielded, where the ADS doesn't either end up in flames, or stays at the ceiling the entire time.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1527	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:49:00 - [13] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Felix Faraday wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: most points agreed, DS doesn't really need any love, to quote a legendary figure around here I would say "learn to fly", if your staying still enough to be hit by a forge gun I don't think the extra hardener will save ya nor do you deserve it. They do need some love in their weapons maybe, those gun gimble things are utter **** cant even shoot straight forward lol. I hope you aren't being serious. I was waiting for my free MLT LAV to drop in by my spawn point behind my redline. Saw a dropship flying around (not staying still and hovering). I jumped into the railgun installation right next to me, 2 shots later the DS was dropping down in flames, half the map away. If people on the ground are paying any type of attention, DS are absolutely worthless and so easy to kill. Half serious, but what is a DS currently? Its a transporter. I don't understand people who want it to be able to stay afloat the battlefield shooting down with impunity and being invurnable. Its a taxi that gets people to hard to reach places/ quickly behind enemy lines. Drop of your troops and FO/recall. Done. And besides, an ADS in the hands of a good pilot is as good as indestructible anyhoo in the hands of a good pilot, if people wanna play Blackhawk Down then they should get DOSbox and play just that. The fast that it's a transport is the main part of the problem. We don't need a transport-specific vehicle on maps this size.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 399	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:52:00 - [14] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Half serious, but what is a DS currently? Its a transporter. I don't understand people who want it to be able to stay afloat the battlefield shooting down with impunity and being invurnable. Its a taxi that gets people to hard to reach places/ quickly behind enemy lines. Drop of your troops and FO/recall. Done. And besides, an ADS in the hands of a good pilot is as good as indestructible anyhoo in the hands of a good pilot, if people wanna play Blackhawk Down then they should get DOSbox and play just that. See, the problem with this logic is that forge guns, swarm launchers, and AV grenades don't kill me. It's railguns, and they can hit me no matter where I am on the map.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 292	Posted - 2013.06.11 17:08:00 - [15] - Quote I posted this in Charlotte O'Dell's other thread. But as someone who spends a good amount of time in advanced AV, I find the entire balance to be bad right now, not even OP or UP, just boring. Its pretty much a race between AV DPS and HAV/LAV/DS health. If enough AV is on the field to kill the vehicle in the time it takes to run, AV wins, otherwise the vehicle can run around and terrorize without much risk of dying. I would like to see one weapon introduced, a weapon that disables the vehicle from moving for a bit (maybe 3-5-10 seconds?). This could be a nade, or a swarm, or a forge varient. Or maybe all 3 with differing lockdown times. Give this weapon, then reduce the damage (or buff the health) of AV so the battles are a bit longer, but make it less just about a DPS race. It would also fix the LAV problem. You want to run people over? Then they can hit you with their tackle weapon and head shot the driver. If missiles only tackled for 2-3 seconds, and nades for a bit longer, the LAV driver would be fine when using it as transportation, or if they had a gunner, but would be pretty screwed if they tried playing frogger all day.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2013.06.11 17:26:00 - [16] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: Buffing my PG isn't going to do a thing to my DS. I'm a Python pilot, and I don't need more.. I just need more health. An extra high slot would be sweet, that or just more base HP. Buffing your PG would allow you to fit heavy extenders/plates, therefore increasing your HP.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2013.06.11 17:27:00 - [17] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter You're kidding about 4, right? Dropsuits get the 5% PG skill and we need that too. We should get everything they get for our vehicles out of fairness because every build is just one big tank/dropship nerf.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.06.12 13:57:00 - [18] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter You're kidding about 4, right? Dropsuits get the 5% PG skill and we need that too. We should get everything they get for our vehicles out of fairness because every build is just one big tank/dropship nerf. No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 94	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:21:00 - [19] - Quote Esper Shadows wrote: And make LAV blaster turrets more deadly and LAV missile turrets more accurate. Actually the are very good but no one properly fits them, people only make their LAVs to be great for running people over and taking damage. My friend tednugget sets his up with a prototype blaster with damage mods and he drives it so his gunner can get kills. I've ridden as his gunner and 20 kills is routine.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 127	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:28:00 - [20] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter you do know that most tankers (especially shield) are suffering from this.... we have an increase cpu skill for tanks but why no pg... drop suits have both but why don't vehicles

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 229	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:42:00 - [21] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU You think Chromosome Tanks were weaker than Tanks in Uprising? That is not true at all. I speak as a player who was both a Gunnlogi and Madrugar pilot pre-Uprising and am now just as a Madrugar pilot. Now about your 2% comment: Look at the PG of a Gunnlogi/Madrugar. Now look at the PG requirement for turrets, a Heavy Plate/Shield, and a Heavy Repairer/Booster. If you don't want to do it, just know that you cannot without putting in PG modules. In order to run Standard Blasters, Standard Heavy Plate, and a Heavy Supplemental Armor Repairer (that's an armor repairer that requires less PG/CPU but heals far less than the Standard), I needed to throw in the second best PG module in the game (which is like 11 or 12%). That is with already having Vehicle Upgrades 5. The CPU skill for Vehicles still exists, so it makes me curious why they decided to hit PG. It is even worse for Assault Dropships. 3 Turrets uses like 2/3 of their PG. Be well.
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:06:00 - [22] - Quote If I can slowly tap a blue dot in planetary and kill him, I think I should be able to kill armed? Yes? Not at all. You have to crush the target, otherwise, you just push ared dot around
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:08:00 - [23] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: NAV HIV wrote: No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU You think Chromosome Tanks were weaker than Tanks in Uprising? That is not true at all. I speak as a player who was both a Gunnlogi and Madrugar pilot pre-Uprising and am now just as a Madrugar pilot. Now about your 2% comment: Look at the PG of a Gunnlogi/Madrugar. Now look at the PG requirement for turrets, a Heavy Plate/Shield, and a Heavy Repairer/Booster. If you don't want to do it, just know that you cannot without putting in PG modules. In order to run Standard Blasters, Standard Heavy Plate, and a Heavy Supplemental Armor Repairer (that's an armor repairer that requires less PG/CPU but heals far less than the Standard), I needed to throw in the second best PG module in the game (which is like 11 or 12%). That is with already having Vehicle Upgrades 5. The CPU skill for Vehicles still exists, so it makes me curious why they decided to hit PG. It is even worse for Assault Dropships. 3 Turrets uses like 2/3 of their PG. Be well. With the PG Nerf, most of my tanks have at least 1 if not 2 LAV mods. With two TOP PG mods on
gbh08 74656d70 8	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:10:00 - [24] - Quote I played since closed beta as frontline ar user, the only av i have really ever rollled with is 1st tier av nade, for them pesky lav's, but they have saved my ass from tanks a few times, from where im sat, tanks were fine before there nerf, if you cant deal with them, avoid them!!! there fecking big enough lol and as said by people already, it should take team work to take one down especially given there sp\isk req Also, i've never played pc matches, which i think in terms of data collection they must be much more accurate, i feel 50% of the problem with tanks is being stuck on a poor team full of randoms that wont see the benifit of having hav and wont help the tanker stay alive, not to mention them scrubs that climb in and afk and dont help i got a 4 mil toon (granted not much) that has gunlogi and all parts available for it except proto turrents, every skill is at 3 or 4 and im 4% down on the max pg, i've only been using him for about a month so hardly a experianced tank user, nor can i afford a tank every match so its hard to gain experiance and practise with it, but ... It does feel that im being dictated to with what i can fit on it, my main ar toon has about 20+ fits for all different occasions, yet my tank toon just has 3 fits, 1 for rail, 1 for missile, and 1 for blaster, it seems theres no room to play with different fits this is on shield tank, but what ever turrent i use, dictates what i can then fit after, and i have tried different fits, but it seems, unlike dropsuits, you cant be so varied which seems odd, especially considering its basicly proto av vs adv tanks on my amour tank the two highs feel like there just a bonus and i dont need them yet on my shield them them two lows are deffo for pg upgrades maybe im doing it wrong? my blaster shield tank fit = shield booster, shield extender, two shield resistance, 1 shield resistance you activate, two pg thing on the lows.... again im newb tanker but there doesnt seem a better fit than that, where as again, my assult toon has 20+ fits given my main is a straight up frontline ar toon, i dont understand why tanks got a nerf, they were fine, as was the heavy mg, the range on weapons and the laser, this is one of the big problems since uprising, everything just got nerfed into the ground
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:12:00 - [25] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter you do know that most tankers (especially shield) are suffering from this.... we have an increase cpu skill for tanks but why no pg... drop suits have both but why don't vehicles Well that's what i just said. Rather than having skill books that only allow us access to the next item, they could put in some PG and CPU bonuses for it. A certain percentage, not to the point of useless, neither OP. A Balance. But that'd be too much to ask for. "Balance" . Shield tanks should get bonus reduction on PG usage per le
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 280	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:17:00 - [26] - Quote Esper Shadows wrote: And make LAV blaster turrets more deadly and LAV missile turrets more accurate. I completely agree. I've said many times that the LAVs need a HP reduction, but there needs to be a fair trade off with this. Giving the turrets better accuracy, damage, and range is a great way to counteract the downside. Now you're a mobile killing machine that requires teamwork, which should be the main focus of this game anyway.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.06.12 16:25:00 - [27] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: NAV HIV wrote: No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU You think Chromosome Tanks were weaker than Tanks in Uprising? That is not true at all. I speak as a player who was both a Gunnlogi and Madrugar pilot pre-Uprising and am now just as a Madrugar pilot. Now about your 2% comment: Look at the PG of a Gunnlogi/Madrugar. Now look at the PG requirement for turrets, a Heavy Plate/Shield, and a Heavy Repairer/Booster. If you don't want to do it, just know that you cannot without putting in PG modules. In order to run Standard Blasters, Standard Heavy Plate, and a Heavy Supplemental Armor Repairer (that's an armor repairer that requires less PG/CPU but heals far less than the Standard), I needed to throw in the second best PG module in the game (which is like 11 or 12%). That is with already having Vehicle Upgrades 5. The CPU skill for Vehicles still exists, so it makes me curious why they decided to hit PG. It is even worse for Assault Dropships. 3 Turrets uses like 2/3 of their PG. Be well. Tanks in uprising have more health. Movement speed is not too bad. PG and CPU has always been a struggle. The option between gank vs tank always existed. I don't have all the skills into tanking yet. I drive a madrugar as usual. I can easily fit most of what i need. Yes i have problem with PG. a little buff to PG would be nice. But not a 25%. Thats like saying "I die too much tanking, so let me put everything in there" CCP needs to find a good balance for it, but don't think that'd happen. They nerfed the CPU in AR suits. Proto AR has less CPU then it used to have. but thats a different topic. Needed PG modules in the past. thats the reason they are there tbh
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote Matakage wrote: Esper Shadows wrote: And make LAV blaster turrets more deadly and LAV missile turrets more accurate. I completely agree. I've said many times that the LAVs need a HP reduction, but there needs to be a fair trade off with this. Giving the turrets better accuracy, damage, and range is a great way to counteract the downside. Now you're a mobile killing machine that requires teamwork, which should be the main focus of this game anyway. Yup it'd be nice. I'm personally tired of this LAV BS
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 456	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:40:00 - [29] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: NAV HIV wrote: No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU You think Chromosome Tanks were weaker than Tanks in Uprising? That is not true at all. I speak as a player who was both a Gunnlogi and Madrugar pilot pre-Uprising and am now just as a Madrugar pilot. Now about your 2% comment: Look at the PG of a Gunnlogi/Madrugar. Now look at the PG requirement for turrets, a Heavy Plate/Shield, and a Heavy Repairer/Booster. If you don't want to do it, just know that you cannot without putting in PG modules. In order to run Standard Blasters, Standard Heavy Plate, and a Heavy Supplemental Armor Repairer (that's an armor repairer that requires less PG/CPU but heals far less than the Standard), I needed to throw in the second best PG module in the game (which is like 11 or 12%). That is with already having Vehicle Upgrades 5. The CPU skill for Vehicles still exists, so it makes me curious why they decided to hit PG. It is even worse for Assault Dropships. 3 Turrets uses like 2/3 of their PG. Be well. Tanks in uprising have more health. Movement speed is not too bad. PG and CPU has always been a struggle. The option between gank vs tank always existed. I don't have all the skills into tanking yet. I drive a madrugar as usual. I can easily fit most of what i need. Yes i have problem with PG. a little buff to PG would be nice. But not a 25%. Thats like saying "I die too much tanking, so let me put everything in there" CCP needs to find a good balance for it, but don't think that'd happen. They nerfed the CPU in AR suits. Proto AR has less CPU then it used to have. but thats a different topic. Needed PG modules in the past. thats the reason they are there tbh Are you serious? We had that 25% PG in Chromosome and it was great. Without it, there's no way to run tanks without PG modules. The infantry never equip those on their suits and they run full proto all day long. 25% is less than what we should have. A gunlogi should be able to fit a heavy supplementary shield extender, heavy converse booster, railgun, and 2 surges WITHOUT putting on 2 PG upgrades. It's all STD gear so we SHOULD be able to but we can't because we got nerfed. We need the old engineering skill back. Chromosome was pretty close to tank balance, other than the 5000 DPS saggy's. I'd pay $50 to go back to that.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 456	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:43:00 - [30] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: 1) We need adv and proto tanks to defend against adv, proto, and officer AV 2) Reduce mlt LAV HP by 50% 3) Buff DS PG by 50% 4) Buff tank PG 25% 5) Increase lethal LAV ram speed to one half of top speed 6) Decrease lethal tank ram speed to one half top speed 1. Agreed. We need stronger tanks to fight off 3000+ per shot Forge guns. The reason we don't see too many blaster tanks now is because of unbalanced AV gear. 2. mlt LAV are making this game very annoying tbh. to some players it may be a fun thing to do, not the same story for the rest 3. PG buffs to 50%? may be not 4. PG buffs to 25% may be not. 2% PG increase per level for upgrading the HAV skills may be? and (1% CPU, 1% PG) increase for upgrading LAV skills? 5. Agreed 6. Tanks are slow as hell so it wouldn't matter You're kidding about 4, right? Dropsuits get the 5% PG skill and we need that too. We should get everything they get for our vehicles out of fairness because every build is just one big tank/dropship nerf. No i'm not kidding about #4. 2% per level. That's 10% overall + 5% (CPU + PG) from LAV skills. Dropsuit has a max PG of what 50?70? so 25% of that isnt that much. But 25% of an armor tanks PG is just a bit too much. It's gonna create more Nerf The Tank threads. The tanks aren't that bad now. They are definitely stronger than the previous build. Just needs a bit more PG and CPU No, we need the old engineering skill back. Actually, we need the Chromosome skills back, but without the broken damage mods. The DPS on tanks is pretty good right now, but our defenses are nerfed because of the lack of PG. 25% PG buff, through SP or not, would make tanks much more survivable.



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