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XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:52:00 -
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I am sick and tired of all of your complaints.
X
P.S.
CCP is new to this world of gaming. They have spent a decade building a great game in EVE and no other company has been able to compete with them on that level. There are new games in development for the new consoles but I doubt they will be able to be on the level Eve is. Give CCP some time to find their niche and find their level of greatness with Dust 514. A lot of the current game developers that keep putting out games like COD and BF2 and now PS2 have had decades of experience in first person shooters or the like of them. They are listening to us and if you would take the time to go sit in the IRC chat you will see them interacting with the users and asking for feedback on new posts. They don't always have the time to constantly be interacting because they are there working and improving on the game. If you do not support this game and support the developers and each other, this game will not rise to the top. Get on the band wagon and stay on, in fact dont get on the band wagon get on the game and play and continue to provide constructive feedback and stop complaining about how the game is not going anywhere.
If you can not handle the game and the direction its going and the time it is taking. Go make your own game or go play another sell out game like bf2 or cod. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:57:00 -
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Aawww that's soooooo cute! |
Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:00:00 -
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Reserved for trolling |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1873
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:03:00 -
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XtoTheS wrote:I am sick and tired of all of your complaints.
X
P.S.
CCP is new to this world of gaming. They have spent a decade building a great game in EVE and no other company has been able to compete with them on that level. There are new games in development for the new consoles but I doubt they will be able to be on the level Eve is. Give CCP some time to find their niche and find their level of greatness with Dust 514. A lot of the current game developers that keep putting out games like COD and BF2 and now PS2 have had decades of experience in first person shooters or the like of them. They are listening to us and if you would take the time to go sit in the IRC chat you will see them interacting with the users and asking for feedback on new posts. They don't always have the time to constantly be interacting because they are there working and improving on the game. If you do not support this game and support the developers and each other, this game will not rise to the top. Get on the band wagon and stay on, in fact dont get on the band wagon get on the game and play and continue to provide constructive feedback and stop complaining about how the game is not going anywhere.
If you can not handle the game and the direction its going and the time it is taking. Go make your own game or go play another sell out game like bf2 or cod. Hear hear! |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1910
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:05:00 -
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I agree, that's why I am making my own game instead. No joke. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:11:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I agree, that's why I am making my own game instead. No joke.
NOC, your game would consist of just you and a bunch of AI 4 year olds with sticks and you beating them down.
lol
all jokes aside. You do get a lot of flack for what you say in the IRC but it is well put to where it does not sound like you are a 10 year old kid throwing a fit. I will give that to you. |
Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
24
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:25:00 -
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Well, the trolls and the whiners are not going to go away. That's just part of running a forum.
But I do understand where CCP is at with DUST 514. And I am hoping, actually expecting that they can do with DUST what they have done with EVE. What they did with EVE is they started out slow and gradually built a great MMO that has outlasted many of its competitors and has a relatively stable playerbase.
CCP can do that with DUST as well given time. Problem is, this F2P playerbase doesn't have the patience. Apparently CCP wants to build up FPS expertise in-house, and probably believes there is no choice but to go that route if they ultimately want to integrate the game with EVE. Outsourcing the codebase for DUST might create massive integration problems and perhaps a mistranslation of the EVE look-and-feel to DUST.
So here we are. Frankly all the whining over the slow progress is not going to make a dime's worth of difference. CCP can only gain experience with FPS and get the proper fixes and patches in place at a certain rate, and no amount of carpet bombing on the forums is going to change that. If its not fast enough for you, you're welcome to play other FPS games, accumulate passive SP, and come back when the next major patch comes in. But at the end of the day, DUST is a ground-breaking attempt at an FPS MMO (or MMO FPS, as the case may be). This is something very new and different and SUCCESS IS NOT GUARANTEED. And if it does happen IT WON'T BE FAST.
I'm fed up with the b*tching at CCP. You're lucky they are willing to bother listening to the players despite the forum abuse. I level criticism at the game mechanics quite often and I try to make helpful suggestions, but it doesn't help when well-meaning commentary is buried under a stinking pile of whiner posts. I get tired of having to filter through it all to find something worthwhile to read.
tl;dr This is not an ordinary FPS. CCP is doing something new. Have some frigging patience. If you've lost patience, take a break and play something else. Come back later.
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Karazantor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:31:00 -
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Esper Shadows wrote:Well, the trolls and the whiners are not going to go away. That's just part of running a forum.
But I do understand where CCP is at with DUST 514. And I am hoping, actually expecting that they can do with DUST what they have done with EVE. What they did with EVE is they started out slow and gradually built a great MMO that has outlasted many of its competitors and has a relatively stable playerbase.
CCP can do that with DUST as well given time. Problem is, this F2P playerbase doesn't have the patience. Apparently CCP wants to build up FPS expertise in-house, and probably believes there is no choice but to go that route if they ultimately want to integrate the game with EVE. Outsourcing the codebase for DUST might create massive integration problems and perhaps a mistranslation of the EVE look-and-feel to DUST.
So here we are. Frankly all the whining over the slow progress is not going to make a dime's worth of difference. CCP can only gain experience with FPS and get the proper fixes and patches in place at a certain rate, and no amount of carpet bombing on the forums is going to change that. If its not fast enough for you, you're welcome to play other FPS games, accumulate passive SP, and come back when the next major patch comes in. But at the end of the day, DUST is a ground-breaking attempt at an FPS MMO (or MMO FPS, as the case may be). This is something very new and different and SUCCESS IS NOT GUARANTEED. And if it does happen IT WON'T BE FAST.
I'm fed up with the b*tching at CCP. You're lucky they are willing to bother listening to the players despite the forum abuse. I level criticism at the game mechanics quite often and I try to make helpful suggestions, but it doesn't help when well-meaning commentary is buried under a stinking pile of whiner posts. I get tired of having to filter through it all to find something worthwhile to read.
tl;dr This is not an ordinary FPS. CCP is doing something new. Have some frigging patience. If you've lost patience, take a break and play something else. Come back later.
This is true. The big problem, when you get to the bottom of it, is there isn't enough to do. This is where EVE started.
As per my comments in the thread on PS2, a lot of those games look pretty (DUST sure doesn't) but the gameplay seems to be rather lacking in depth, i.e. consequences. Hopefully its just a matter of patience on our part.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
123
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:45:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Aawww that's soooooo cute!
Wow people are actually liking your rant? Confirmed fanboys i geuss.
'Hey Ccp evrything is awesome and you shouldn't worry about all the crappy games and crappy new consoles that are coming'
Maybe you fanboys are paid by rival companies to pull the wool over the eyes of ccp?
Do you remember the original call of duty's.....nuff said...... |
Esper Shadows
Savage Arms INC
24
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:50:00 -
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Karazantor wrote: This is true. The big problem, when you get to the bottom of it, is there isn't enough to do. This is where EVE started.
As per my comments in the thread on PS2, a lot of those games look pretty (DUST sure doesn't) but the gameplay seems to be rather lacking in depth, i.e. consequences. Hopefully its just a matter of patience on our part.
I really believe that patience is the only way through this period. DUST has very strong MMO overtones, and in terms of MMO development, the similarities are obvious. Its getting rolled out in stages, lots of problems are found and then they slowly get fixed.
Ordinary FPS games aren't brought to market like this. Ordinary FPS games are more or less a final product when they hit the shelves. Some small patches and DLC yeah, but the game itself is standalone. DUST is nothing like that. Its development is more like an MMO.
Its just that we got veteran FPS players in the DUST playerbase and they don't have the patience for an MMO development approach. They want final product from the get-go. Its not going to happen.
The playerbase is probably following an MMO curve, big spike on release followed by a massive decline. If this game is successful though, the decline will bottom out and then slowly increase over a long period of time just like EVE. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2522
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:54:00 -
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Most of the posters on this forum have been around here longer then I have - which has been a year. Stop asking us for patience when us asking for anything gets ignored.
This game is in way too bad a shape to be playin' that lame ass card - it was over used in Beta and it's not effective now. CCP is bad and should feel bad. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:19:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Most of the posters on this forum have been around here longer then I have - which has been a year. Stop asking us for patience when us asking for anything gets ignored.
This game is in way too bad a shape to be playin' that lame ass card - it was over used in Beta and it's not effective now. CCP is bad and should feel bad.
This includes the people who have been around. The game has made huge changes since the very beginning. I have only been around since February and I have seen big changes. The big changes may be small to some people because they expect changes made in a whole different category or different spectrum. Just think of it this way, you leave now, next update, what you are looking for is there. You cut ties to the game and by the time you catch win its to late.. Just stay supportive and be vocal, just dont be negative and don't be putting down other people and the developers.
I am not goin around askin your mom when you are gonna make that big change into adult hood and be a man and be humble about life and all that jazz. Either be you and whine about it or take a back seat and ride it out. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:29:00 -
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Hey op are low standards fun? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1307
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:53:00 -
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Haven't you noticed the people complaining are the same ones that were crying about Dust 514 not being a twitch bases FPS with a placebo spreadsheet, CoD clone, AR the only viable weapon having, nerf vehicles into the ground, fittings don't matter even though I'm leaving in November to play the next CoD: Ghosts anyway PoS with no creativity whatsoever? Let those people forsee Dust 514's death through their magical crystal ball as they leave to play the next big thing and let those who are actually dedicated stay behind and put in valuable feedback instead of bitching that heavies and HAV need to be nerfed...
I'm not a fanboy by any stretch, but I'm tired of hearing "Dust 514 sucks because it's not enough like X." |
I VOTED FOR-KODOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:59:00 -
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The more I learn about EVE the more patience I have with ccp to turn this into a potentially awesome game. Yeah right now its not that great but all the whiny *****-boi threads do not help either. |
I VOTED FOR-KODOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:03:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Most of the posters on this forum have been around here longer then I have - which has been a year. Stop asking us for patience when us asking for anything gets ignored.
This game is in way too bad a shape to be playin' that lame ass card - it was over used in Beta and it's not effective now. CCP is bad and should feel bad. I do not understand why youre still here then? this sounds like a one sided relationship where all you do is give give give and get nothing in return. You do not help out the other end by constantly letting yourself be abused. You would think you vets would go into put up or shut up mode |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1307
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:19:00 -
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People that have been here since beta care more about Dust 514 more than blind fanboys that think everything is okay. |
GLiMPSE X
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
123
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:People that have been here since beta care more about Dust 514 more than blind fanboys that think everything is okay.
Sure, but this attitude combined with what is normal burnout after grinding 6+ months in a single game will make you a little over critical. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1307
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:30:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Cosgar wrote:People that have been here since beta care more about Dust 514 more than blind fanboys that think everything is okay. Sure, but this attitude combined with what is normal burnout after grinding 6+ months in a single game will make you a little over critical. Well, yeah that comes with the territory. A lot of us could use a serious break. I know I did since the MD not being fixed until Uprising 1.2 was enough to make me walk away for a while. I'm only on the forums because the PVP on here is more balanced than Dust 514's PVP right now. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2648
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:32:00 -
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It's impossible to satisfy everyone. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2528
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:43:00 -
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How many more times are people going to defend with, "Why you still here." You really can't think of any reason at all? Social out-casts much?
It's cool though - keep your faith. It's done us all real well so far. Uprising was such a HUGE success and PC is such GREAT fun. Not a single corp is dropping out of PC because it's lame and no one is quitting dust. Large alliances aren't getting steam rolled by a few elites and everyone gets to enjoy this game fully!
Don't you love CCP? Launched a game where heavies only have 1 variant. LAV's run amok killing all - tanks and DS are worthless unless they luck out with no AV on the other side *Pets his Proto forge* TAR used to be OP and now it's trash. Most guns bullets can preform magic and disappear. Installations have better accuracy then you do. Terrain likes to pretend it's quicksand and going up hills that should be cake turn into nightmare fighting your way out of it. Logi's are the 'do all class' instead of support. Getting SP per week is a slow long grind with no word of the roll-over system we voted for back in january. All of this - is intended by CCP.
Yay CCP! You can do no wrong! Faith for all!
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
39
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:15:00 -
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XtoTheS wrote:I am sick and tired of all of your complaints.
X
P.S.
CCP is new to this world of gaming. They have spent a decade building a great game in EVE and no other company has been able to compete with them on that level. There are new games in development for the new consoles but I doubt they will be able to be on the level Eve is. Give CCP some time to find their niche and find their level of greatness with Dust 514. A lot of the current game developers that keep putting out games like COD and BF2 and now PS2 have had decades of experience in first person shooters or the like of them. They are listening to us and if you would take the time to go sit in the IRC chat you will see them interacting with the users and asking for feedback on new posts. They don't always have the time to constantly be interacting because they are there working and improving on the game. If you do not support this game and support the developers and each other, this game will not rise to the top. Get on the band wagon and stay on, in fact dont get on the band wagon get on the game and play and continue to provide constructive feedback and stop complaining about how the game is not going anywhere.
If you can not handle the game and the direction its going and the time it is taking. Go make your own game or go play another sell out game like bf2 or cod. Yeah i have high hopes for this game,but not many people dont share my point of wiew.Today when i logged there was only 2556 people online,and everybody knows if people leaves this rate there is gonna be only few hc dusters out there and that isnt enough people.Ccp should now start get their gameplay and game in shape.Last thing i like to say I will be playing to the end,if dust fail so be it but ill be there to see it,if not that will be great and then i can say i belived the game when you didentOver and out |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1311
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:22:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's impossible to satisfy everyone. That's why you should aim to satisfy your target demographic. Instead we're gettin this middle of the road nonsense where CCP is trying to appeal to EVE players, MMO players, general FPS players, and the COD crowd. It's gotten to the point that I'm wondering if CCP even knows who they're making this game for anymore. Worst of all, even though they're trying to bend over backwards for everyone, two targeted audiences out the above are guarenteed to leave when the next big thing comes out, no matter how much Dust 514 tried to appeal to them while pissing off their dedicated player base. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1311
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:23:00 -
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My post got cut off, but I meant to add that one out of those two wont be coming back either. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:10:00 -
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Also, you have to remember. A lot of new potential players do come across these forums and they see all the negativity being thrown across the tables is a huge turn off. You do not want to scare of potential long term players because there is a large group of people hating on the game. In fact even these players may even have great answers to make the game better. You just have to get with the program, give your constructive feed-back and get involved with the involvement of the developers. I can not press any harder on the issue of potential players read on these forums. I wish there was a better place to put those comments and threads. Perhaps the trash bin maybe.. but in reality. If you are gonna say something bad, reinforce it with some positive notes and comments like how it can be improved, getting this game improved does not work by knocking the game play, developers and players that are not very skilled. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
618
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's impossible to satisfy everyone.
But it is possible to appeal to a wider audience. I think CCP are doing it wrong, instead of trying to attract more hardcore FPSers' They should widen other aspects of Dust and pull people who would play the fps mechanics but would be drawn to crafting, planetary exploration, sandbox and PvE elements. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:28:00 -
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XtoTheS wrote:Also, you have to remember. A lot of new potential players do come across these forums and they see all the negativity being thrown across the tables is a huge turn off. You do not want to scare of potential long term players because there is a large group of people hating on the game. In fact even these players may even have great answers to make the game better. You just have to get with the program, give your constructive feed-back and get involved with the involvement of the developers. I can not press any harder on the issue of potential players read on these forums. I wish there was a better place to put those comments and threads. Perhaps the trash bin maybe.. but in reality. If you are gonna say something bad, reinforce it with some positive notes and comments like how it can be improved, getting this game improved does not work by knocking the game play, developers and players that are not very skilled. If CCP wanted to stop people from posting negative comments about Dust they should close the forums.
There's a reason why the feedback is what it is. And there's not much positive coming back from CCP either. All I see is a bit of aggressive, dismissive posting with a bit of nastiness thrown in.
Overall in response to this thread, the OP doth protest too much, methinks. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
169
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:55:00 -
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IMHO most of the impatience in the player base stems from CCPs near complete lack of communication when it comes to bug fixes and new content.
All we hear if we hear any statement concerning these are things like "soonTM", "In the coming days", "we know and are working on it".
Frankly, we are not idiots(most of us)! CCP, we know you are working on the game! It would calm the angry mob if you let them know a specific time frame when things were going to happen i.e. "in the next two weeks you will see_________", or next month you can expect ____________".
SoonTM et.al. is not answers it is dodging the question. Although having CCP Mintchip around is certainly going to help; more so when she stops simply farming likes
That said there are also things CCP has been very amazing at dealing with, the DDoS Attack, The Tac AR, and the HMG just to name a few, although I'm certain there are more. For these I commend you CCP!
CCP, keep up the good work and improve communication, and imo you are golden . |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
112
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:58:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Most of the posters on this forum have been around here longer then I have - which has been a year. Stop asking us for patience when us asking for anything gets ignored.
This game is in way too bad a shape to be playin' that lame ass card - it was over used in Beta and it's not effective now. CCP is bad and should feel bad.
true point, there is only so long that people will wait.
the people saying ''give them time'' haven't been around long
the people who are fed up have been here for a long time.
I'm somewhere in the middle, having only followed DUST for 4-5 months.
I do both sides of the argument but honestly, the time for change is now or the game will forever dwindle into obscurity.
I have faith but am losing faith so, somewhere in the middle. |
Sonicshadow006
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:06:00 -
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I agree. At least we get updates that do stuff unlike Activision and their useless CoD updates which "balance" weapons. And, most of you guys post suggestions in the wrong category. |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1317
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:13:00 -
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Welp! Today is the day to see if all the tight lips and skirted questions were worth it. If not, communication should be upped to the levels of hit detection and invisible walls when discussing what's wrong with Dust 514... |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
684
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:38:00 -
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People only ever log onto foums to troll or complain out of 7000 per hour players. I recognize most people who post on here much means the rest are happly playing :-). I run into new players all the time that love this game....just wish they would stay out of fw :-P but most people are happy just need smooth out the cliff a little |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3491
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:43:00 -
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XtoTheS wrote:I am sick and tired of all of your complaints.
X
P.S.
CCP is new to this world of gaming. They have spent a decade building a great game in EVE and no other company has been able to compete with them on that level. There are new games in development for the new consoles but I doubt they will be able to be on the level Eve is. Give CCP some time to find their niche and find their level of greatness with Dust 514. A lot of the current game developers that keep putting out games like COD and BF2 and now PS2 have had decades of experience in first person shooters or the like of them. They are listening to us and if you would take the time to go sit in the IRC chat you will see them interacting with the users and asking for feedback on new posts. They don't always have the time to constantly be interacting because they are there working and improving on the game. If you do not support this game and support the developers and each other, this game will not rise to the top. Get on the band wagon and stay on, in fact dont get on the band wagon get on the game and play and continue to provide constructive feedback and stop complaining about how the game is not going anywhere.
If you can not handle the game and the direction its going and the time it is taking. Go make your own game or go play another sell out game like bf2 or cod.
DUST needs to be on PS4 to compete.
/thread |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Welp! Today is the day to see if all the tight lips and skirted questions were worth it. If not, communication should be upped to the levels of hit detection and invisible walls when discussing what's wrong with Dust 514...
Totally agree with that. E3 open in a few hours, we will see then. But for not, I feel bad when looking at their preview video (2). It all old stuff from 6-8 month. How the hell do you go to E3 to present old stuff. I just hope the marketing will make it shine a little more than that. And present other things than stuff like PvE which isn't in the game right now, making false advertising.
The level of invisible walls and hit detection issue is really high by the way, not sure they can raise communication to that level before a while .
I'll be patient, anyway, I got a tons of stuff to do other than play right now, so I guess timing is good for me. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
117
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:37:00 -
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I don't have 10 years to wait for a game that is already on the market to get good. I doubt SOE does either. The game may be F2P, but this is still a profitable business. If they (CCP) can't convince you to convert your money into PSN funds, the relationship will be short-lived.
Kids....
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CCPs Incompetency
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:04:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:How many more times are people going to defend with, "Why you still here." You really can't think of any reason at all? Social out-casts much?
It's cool though - keep your faith. It's done us all real well so far. Uprising was such a HUGE success and PC is such GREAT fun. Not a single corp is dropping out of PC because it's lame and no one is quitting dust. Large alliances aren't getting steam rolled by a few elites and everyone gets to enjoy this game fully!
Don't you love CCP? Launched a game where heavies only have 1 variant. LAV's run amok killing all - tanks and DS are worthless unless they luck out with no AV on the other side *Pets his Proto forge* TAR used to be OP and now it's trash. Most guns bullets can preform magic and disappear. Installations have better accuracy then you do. Terrain likes to pretend it's quicksand and going up hills that should be cake turn into nightmare fighting your way out of it. Logi's are the 'do all class' instead of support. Getting SP per week is a slow long grind with no word of the roll-over system we voted for back in january. All of this - is intended by CCP.
Yay CCP! You can do no wrong! Faith for all!
Blind faith for all, as this is the Only FPS CCP has and may ever make. |
Dante Kretschmer
D3LTA ACADEMY
47
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:02:00 -
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CCP is working on it, why do kou need more? Is not like they're delaying things purposedly. It's not like they wouldn't want to solve everything in one blow. And definetly it's not like they're not working on it. Software development takes time, more than what you think. And in a game as technically challenging as DUST is, i would assume it takes a while longer. We all want to have a better game. Even devs do.
If I were a developer I wouldn't handcuff myself giving deadlines either. Who knows when will Murphy strike, and when he does, flames of uproar will engulf the forums because CCP will have failed its customers.
A list of things being worked on, that would be great to have. And an idea of when to expect the next major patch. But to have half the forum crying and angering because there are no news on *whatever*... oh well. You get the idea. And btw, it sure makes a bad impression to newbies in the forums
Patience, Anakin. Patience. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:39:00 -
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Dante Kretschmer wrote:CCP is working on it, why do kou need more? Is not like they're delaying things purposedly. It's not like they wouldn't want to solve everything in one blow. And definetly it's not like they're not working on it. Software development takes time, more than what you think. And in a game as technically challenging as DUST is, i would assume it takes a while longer. We all want to have a better game. Even devs do.
If I were a developer I wouldn't handcuff myself giving deadlines either. Who knows when will Murphy strike, and when he does, flames of uproar will engulf the forums because CCP will have failed its customers.
A list of things being worked on, that would be great to have. And an idea of when to expect the next major patch. But to have half the forum crying and angering because there are no news on *whatever*... oh well. You get the idea. And btw, it sure makes a bad impression to newbies in the forums
Patience, Anakin. Patience.
There are a lot of people out there who know it all.. sadly.
There are a lot of people out there who knows what it takes, are not standing up, sadly.
There are a lot of people out there who love the game and are scared to stand up for it, sadly.
And there are the people who do not know how to constructively put together a good point when needed.
That goes for the people who dislike/hate the game, sadly.
We will be around when the game starts to see its full potential while the other people who gave up will be playing the same battlefield games as before dust.
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Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2013.06.12 06:04:00 -
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XtoTheS wrote:Dante Kretschmer wrote:CCP is working on it, why do kou need more? Is not like they're delaying things purposedly. It's not like they wouldn't want to solve everything in one blow. And definetly it's not like they're not working on it. Software development takes time, more than what you think. And in a game as technically challenging as DUST is, i would assume it takes a while longer. We all want to have a better game. Even devs do.
If I were a developer I wouldn't handcuff myself giving deadlines either. Who knows when will Murphy strike, and when he does, flames of uproar will engulf the forums because CCP will have failed its customers.
A list of things being worked on, that would be great to have. And an idea of when to expect the next major patch. But to have half the forum crying and angering because there are no news on *whatever*... oh well. You get the idea. And btw, it sure makes a bad impression to newbies in the forums
Patience, Anakin. Patience. There are a lot of people out there who know it all.. sadly. There are a lot of people out there who knows what it takes, are not standing up, sadly. There are a lot of people out there who love the game and are scared to stand up for it, sadly. And there are the people who do not know how to constructively put together a good point when needed. That goes for the people who dislike/hate the game, sadly. We will be around when the game starts to see its full potential while the other people who gave up will be playing the same battlefield games as before dust.
Don't tell me you're implying that the people who don't like Dust aren't justified. There are plenty of reasons not to like this game right now, and there were plenty of suggestions on the forums to make some of those reasons decrease that were ignored. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.06.12 07:21:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:XtoTheS wrote:Dante Kretschmer wrote:CCP is working on it, why do kou need more? Is not like they're delaying things purposedly. It's not like they wouldn't want to solve everything in one blow. And definetly it's not like they're not working on it. Software development takes time, more than what you think. And in a game as technically challenging as DUST is, i would assume it takes a while longer. We all want to have a better game. Even devs do.
If I were a developer I wouldn't handcuff myself giving deadlines either. Who knows when will Murphy strike, and when he does, flames of uproar will engulf the forums because CCP will have failed its customers.
A list of things being worked on, that would be great to have. And an idea of when to expect the next major patch. But to have half the forum crying and angering because there are no news on *whatever*... oh well. You get the idea. And btw, it sure makes a bad impression to newbies in the forums
Patience, Anakin. Patience. There are a lot of people out there who know it all.. sadly. There are a lot of people out there who knows what it takes, are not standing up, sadly. There are a lot of people out there who love the game and are scared to stand up for it, sadly. And there are the people who do not know how to constructively put together a good point when needed. That goes for the people who dislike/hate the game, sadly. We will be around when the game starts to see its full potential while the other people who gave up will be playing the same battlefield games as before dust. Don't tell me you're implying that the people who don't like Dust aren't justified. There are plenty of reasons not to like this game right now, and there were plenty of suggestions on the forums to make some of those reasons decrease that were ignored.
they are justified, they have gotten their answers, which is no answer to their problems they see. They are giving up on CCP based on their actions on the boards. They come here and whine and more than likely go on an alt to play. Just a hunch. But you can see it the way you want. They could be justified or they may not be justified. They just need to pull it together and complain in a more acceptable manner.. "hey I believe this is how it should be fixed" etc instead of "blah blah eff this that him her and this game". Also there are so many people playing this game and giving their feedback, either be forums, opening a ticket or via IRC. They are looking at these issues and there is A LOT going on in the game development world right now. |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1384
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:02:00 -
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After all that time in beta, the last things we should have had to worry about on release were memory leaks, hit detection, broken aiming mechanics, and weapon balance. Uprising was 2 steps backwards for everything and we all know it. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:04:00 -
[42] - Quote
I wonder why this thread hasn't been closed as a rant? |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
344
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:56:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:I wonder why this thread hasn't been closed as a rant?
I'll clear that up for ya. There's a sufficient amount of "it's the players' fault" and "forum posters are whiny babies" quotes. CCP doesn't mind rants, as long as the rants are us taking it out on us, instead of taking it out on the ones trying desperately to bilk money out of a B shooter whose greatest claim to fame is not even marginally developed yet. |
Nephiliel
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:11:00 -
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I am patient, and not complaining. Just want respec and some updates, and the Mass driver bugs fixed . The future excites me, this is a F2P game, people act like its paid or something |
I VOTED FOR-KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
9
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:22:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:How many more times are people going to defend with, "Why you still here." You really can't think of any reason at all? Social out-casts much?
It's cool though - keep your faith. It's done us all real well so far. Uprising was such a HUGE success and PC is such GREAT fun. Not a single corp is dropping out of PC because it's lame and no one is quitting dust. Large alliances aren't getting steam rolled by a few elites and everyone gets to enjoy this game fully!
Don't you love CCP? Launched a game where heavies only have 1 variant. LAV's run amok killing all - tanks and DS are worthless unless they luck out with no AV on the other side *Pets his Proto forge* TAR used to be OP and now it's trash. Most guns bullets can preform magic and disappear. Installations have better accuracy then you do. Terrain likes to pretend it's quicksand and going up hills that should be cake turn into nightmare fighting your way out of it. Logi's are the 'do all class' instead of support. Getting SP per week is a slow long grind with no word of the roll-over system we voted for back in january. All of this - is intended by CCP.
Yay CCP! You can do no wrong! Faith for all!
Because deflecting with ad-hominems and sarcasm is the way to go. I can see it appeals to the lowest common denominator though. Again, just put up or shut up. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
187
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:57:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Beta started a year ago and the game remains broken today. CCP has had plenty of time to do whatever it was they needed to do before release. The BF and COD developers may develop game after game and may feel the same to some but they balance their games well. If CCP has such trouble with balance and other issues, they should have used the experience of BF and COD mechanics then create their connection with EVE and other innovative aspects from there. CCP made the mistake. CCP is lucky that some players are hopeful in fixes and don't mind playing a broken game for a little longer.
When FFXIV created a broken online game, they brought in all new help. Maybe CCP should do the same. |
XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:51:00 -
[47] - Quote
Chinduko wrote:The Beta started a year ago and the game remains broken today. CCP has had plenty of time to do whatever it was they needed to do before release. The BF and COD developers may develop game after game and may feel the same to some but they balance their games well. If CCP has such trouble with balance and other issues, they should have used the experience of BF and COD mechanics then create their connection with EVE and other innovative aspects from there. CCP made the mistake. CCP is lucky that some players are hopeful in fixes and don't mind playing a broken game for a little longer.
When FFXIV created a broken online game, they brought in all new help. Maybe CCP should do the same.
I am pretty sure that they are looking into every possibility they can. It has also been brought to me that CCP did hire some folks from DICE. But as far as I know, they are not the experts on a FPS. They may have just dealt with code and some developing. They use a completely different engine, their own. But Unreal is a widely used game engine and I am sure there are a lot of things they can implement easily in a sense if it has been done on other games that use the same engine. I am not expert on game development so please bare with my general comments on that. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2560
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Posted - 2013.06.13 09:00:00 -
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I VOTED FOR-KODOS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:How many more times are people going to defend with, "Why you still here." You really can't think of any reason at all? Social out-casts much?
It's cool though - keep your faith. It's done us all real well so far. Uprising was such a HUGE success and PC is such GREAT fun. Not a single corp is dropping out of PC because it's lame and no one is quitting dust. Large alliances aren't getting steam rolled by a few elites and everyone gets to enjoy this game fully!
Don't you love CCP? Launched a game where heavies only have 1 variant. LAV's run amok killing all - tanks and DS are worthless unless they luck out with no AV on the other side *Pets his Proto forge* TAR used to be OP and now it's trash. Most guns bullets can preform magic and disappear. Installations have better accuracy then you do. Terrain likes to pretend it's quicksand and going up hills that should be cake turn into nightmare fighting your way out of it. Logi's are the 'do all class' instead of support. Getting SP per week is a slow long grind with no word of the roll-over system we voted for back in january. All of this - is intended by CCP.
Yay CCP! You can do no wrong! Faith for all!
Because deflecting with ad-hominems and sarcasm is the way to go. I can see it appeals to the lowest common denominator though. Again, just put up or shut up. Care to buy me a ticket to that dream land you and every CCP fanboy resides in?
I've tried to help for over a year - I used to be all over the heavy subject. All of it - from me to everyone I know - got ignored by CCP. Heavies are now nearly trash and if we don't get place-holder racial next update there's going to be hell to pay.
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XtoTheS
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2013.06.13 09:03:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I VOTED FOR-KODOS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:How many more times are people going to defend with, "Why you still here." You really can't think of any reason at all? Social out-casts much?
It's cool though - keep your faith. It's done us all real well so far. Uprising was such a HUGE success and PC is such GREAT fun. Not a single corp is dropping out of PC because it's lame and no one is quitting dust. Large alliances aren't getting steam rolled by a few elites and everyone gets to enjoy this game fully!
Don't you love CCP? Launched a game where heavies only have 1 variant. LAV's run amok killing all - tanks and DS are worthless unless they luck out with no AV on the other side *Pets his Proto forge* TAR used to be OP and now it's trash. Most guns bullets can preform magic and disappear. Installations have better accuracy then you do. Terrain likes to pretend it's quicksand and going up hills that should be cake turn into nightmare fighting your way out of it. Logi's are the 'do all class' instead of support. Getting SP per week is a slow long grind with no word of the roll-over system we voted for back in january. All of this - is intended by CCP.
Yay CCP! You can do no wrong! Faith for all!
Because deflecting with ad-hominems and sarcasm is the way to go. I can see it appeals to the lowest common denominator though. Again, just put up or shut up. Care to buy me a ticket to that dream land you and every CCP fanboy resides in? I've tried to help for over a year - I used to be all over the heavy subject. All of it - from me to everyone I know - got ignored by CCP. Heavies are now nearly trash and if we don't get place-holder racial next update there's going to be hell to pay.
That I can agree with. They had seriously neglected the heavy and made it worse. But I still run my heavy because its a status I like to hold. I am a true heavy fit player. But They do need to make some changes and bring back some of the old fits like the armor fit and the shield fit. I liked running with both depending on what I was doing. Now I just have to deal with it being balanced evenly.
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