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KingBabar wrote:

Th3rdSun wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit....

I'll start:

I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well.

I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par.

I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me.

KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better.

In this ara at least - Great job CCP!

Sorry,but I find the grenade mechanics to be not very good in this game,and this is coming from a former MAG player that had about 10k frag grenade kills.

Reaction time is too slow when throwing.The physics are better than before,but still need work.The character's all have wuss arms.

Sorry,but there's no way I can agree with this post.

As for what this game does better than any other shooter,I struggle to come up with anything.I'm not hating,it's just that right now it's a subpar shooter.

LOL - you couldn't even cook the nades in MAG, even the most elite of players used to toss them in the enemies general direction, I've seen enough MAG vids to claim this. There might be people out there but I haven't seen a single MAG vid with skilled nade gameplay. Lots and lots of players swapped the nades out for an Acoustic locator or whatnot.

They had a very long range, a quality I don't miss in Dust, it feels about right.

I think the reaction time should be what it is. Its moronic that someone can go from wielding a gun to toss a nade in the blink of an eye, this is even more so with insta nades. When the nades are cooked the release time is instant, as it should be.

And for the record, it would surprice me if I had less than 10K nade kills so far in Dust....

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KingBabar The-Butterfly-Effect 788	Posted - 2013.06.10 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP!
Musta Tornius Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 378	Posted - 2013.06.10 18:49:00 - [2] - Quote Tinkering with your dropsuits to get something that works well for you, although it's mostly tank or spank now it is still a nice feature I hope they'll work hard on to make even better. I just really enjoy fitting up different suits with different weapons for different purposes :)
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 178	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:03:00 - [3] - Quote The did a pretty good job with the Chromosome build (last build). They also did a pretty good job with Skirmish 1.0 which was similar to playing MAG's Sabotage.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3592	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:06:00 - [4] - Quote If it weren't for the financial and WP aspects of it, dropships are terribly good fun (just, how they work in general, aside from the fact that how they work often involves plummeting to the ground in a burning wreck )
ReGnYuM Imperfects Negative-Feedback 140	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:10:00 - [5] - Quote I have never had a KDR over 20+ on any other shooter
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 391	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:10:00 - [6] - Quote Overall gameplay With all it's nigh crippling issues i'd still play dust over any COD title for the TTK and teamplay alone.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP! Sorry,but I find the grenade mechanics to be not very good in this game,and this is coming from a former MAG player that had about 10k frag grenade kills. Reaction time is too slow when throwing.The physics are better than before,but still need work.The character's all have wuss arms. Sorry,but there's no way I can agree with this post. As for what this game does better than any other shooter,I struggle to come up with anything.I'm not hating,it's just that right now it's a subpar shooter.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1570	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:11:00 - [8] - Quote The depth and ease of social integration is something I would star. Having a substantial death penalty (actually lossing your stuff) is pretty darn cool. The fact that Dust is F2P and nothing is velvet roped. You can participating in every level of the game whether you put a dime in or not. It's up to whether or not you want to commit the time to the game. Orbital Strikes from Eve are both a technical achievement and downright awesome. I'm happy to say I even shot my own character from space in a PC match and that what just awesome (totally worth it to blast Sgt Bigz).
Mat Snam Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:15:00 - [9] - Quote I love tank mechanics and managing my active modules. It's not just rolling around and firing guns but I jave to manage multipple different things at the same time. It makes thinkg really interesting and engaging. I love it. edit: Oh.. yea. The loosing your stuff when dying. This has been always the thing that I'v missed in other shooters/games.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 44	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:16:00 - [10] - Quote Nothing at the moment I'm here because of the potential.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1284	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:18:00 - [11] - Quote When it used to work and was properly balanced, the Mass Driver was the best and most realistic incarnations of a grenade launcher I've ever seen in any game.
KingBabar The-Butterfly-Effect 793	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:18:00 - [12] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I have never had a KDR over 20+ on any other shooter Yup. I'm currently at over 6 even with all my drunken nights and the general moronic "lets see if I can take out those 4 dudes" attitude. The best I ever managed in MAG was to keep it roughly at 3 for about 6 months before they started to shut down the servers.... Its an easy game to be "good" in.
Knightshade Belladonna WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS 338	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:20:00 - [13] - Quote Giving the feeling of actual loss when you die. This is what hooked me onto Eve
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:22:00 - [14] - Quote Actually,I have one now.I will agree that the loss of your stuff is a great thing.This is the only shooter that I've seen that has real consequences for when you fail,other than personal stats.This is actually the biggest reason why I can't go back to other shooters now.
Mat Snam Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:23:00 - [15] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: KingBabar wrote: Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP! Sorry,but I find the grenade mechanics to be not very good in this game,and this is coming from a former MAG player that had about 10k frag grenade kills. Reaction time is too slow when throwing.The physics are better than before,but still need work.The character's all have wuss arms. Sorry,but there's no way I can agree with this post. As for what this game does better than any other shooter,I struggle to come up with anything.I'm not hating,it's just that right now it's a subpar shooter. I'm not sure where this 'weak throwing' comes from, since I have seen and thrown my self nades pretty damn far. You know right that the throw force is related to how much inclination you have on the throw? ie. if you try to throw nade by pointing straight forward it lands about 10m from you. But if you throw it about 45deg you get much stronger throw? edit: Or do run+jump+thorw and get even longer throw. I have had fun destroying dropships that thought they were safe hovering or cruising somewhat low to ground.
KingBabar The-Butterfly-Effect 793	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:30:00 - [16] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: KingBabar wrote: Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP! Sorry,but I find the grenade mechanics to be not very good in this game,and this is coming from a former MAG player that had about 10k frag grenade kills. Reaction time is too slow when throwing.The physics are better than before,but still need work.The character's all have wuss arms. Sorry,but there's no way I can agree with this post. As for what this game does better than any other shooter,I struggle to come up with anything.I'm not hating,it's just that right now it's a subpar shooter. LOL - you couldn't even cook the nades in MAG, even the most elite of players used to toss them in the enemies general direction, I've seen enough MAG vids to claim this. There might be people out there but I haven't seen a single MAG vid with skilled nade gameplay. Lots and lots of players swapped the nades out for an Acoustic locator or whatnot. They had a very long range, a quality I don't miss in Dust, it feels about right. I think the reaction time should be what it is. Its moronic that someone can go from wielding a gun to toss a nade in the blink of an eye, this is even more so with insta nades. When the nades are cooked the release time is instant, as it should be. And for the record, it would surprice me if I had less than 10K nade kills so far in Dust....
KingBabar The-Butterfly-Effect 793	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:32:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: When it used to work and was properly balanced, the Mass Driver was the best and most realistic incarnations of a grenade launcher I've ever seen in any game. Seconded.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 517	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:32:00 - [18] - Quote I have to agree with everything that has been said in this (except the poor nade mechanics comment). Once CCP fixed the issue where it took 5 seconds to pull out a nade they have been good again. I do like being able to throw nades and have them literally blow up right on the enemy. Its predictable so you can do it consistently instead of alot of games have nades land where you crosshair is pointing so your throw is unpredictable (what Dust had for nade mechanics before open beta).
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 350	Posted - 2013.06.10 19:58:00 - [19] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: KingBabar wrote: Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP! Sorry,but I find the grenade mechanics to be not very good in this game,and this is coming from a former MAG player that had about 10k frag grenade kills. Reaction time is too slow when throwing.The physics are better than before,but still need work.The character's all have wuss arms. Sorry,but there's no way I can agree with this post. As for what this game does better than any other shooter,I struggle to come up with anything.I'm not hating,it's just that right now it's a subpar shooter. LOL - you couldn't even cook the nades in MAG, even the most elite of players used to toss them in the enemies general direction, I've seen enough MAG vids to claim this. There might be people out there but I haven't seen a single MAG vid with skilled nade gameplay. Lots and lots of players swapped the nades out for an Acoustic locator or whatnot. They had a very long range, a quality I don't miss in Dust, it feels about right. I think the reaction time should be what it is. Its moronic that someone can go from wielding a gun to toss a nade in the blink of an eye, this is even more so with insta nades. When the nades are cooked the release time is instant, as it should be. And for the record, it would surprice me if I had less than 10K nade kills so far in Dust.... You haven't seen skilled MAG nades because I was never able to make a video.I do have player testimony that can corroborate my skills with them though. Another problem with the nades in Dust is that once you pull is out,it's automatically armed,something that I find to be quite stupid.The way is should work is you push L2 to pull it out,then push again to cook and throw. Sorry,but just from my unparallelled skill level in using grenades in MAG,I just feel like these grenades aren't nearly as good. Sounds like you like them more realistic,which is fine,but doesn't make for fun gameplay.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 294	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:14:00 - [20] - Quote Keyboard and mouse support on a PS3. Pretty much the only reason why i play the game.

Wolfgang Erikson Opus Arcana Orion Empire 8	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:27:00 - [21] - Quote I know many people may not like it, but I really love the leveling system. I there is a certain joy in picking a path and dedicating yourself to a certain play style, or sacrifice high points in one area for two play styles. Also, the risk that comes with experimenting. It makes the game feel more personal, I chose the game I want to play and rap the rewards for investing SP properly.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 390	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:29:00 - [22] - Quote Da faq Babar? Nades? Sadly to say that COD has the best grenade mechanics. All of them go to the position you point at. Fused locus grenades lmfao
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:31:00 - [23] - Quote Pisses people off for stupid reasons.
XANDERBEE Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:35:00 - [24] - Quote Move controls have gotten leaps and bounds better. Agree with loss of items ( MGO and CS both do this and are some of my favorite online games) The depth of the skill tree once understood ( which takes a bit of reading and comprehension, so difficulty varies) Skirmish 1.0 and the map it was on " crater lake" Weapon variety ( tho most go with the vanilla AR) The back story though it isn't implemented well yet into THIS game Social aspect Last but not least are "dos knives doh, dos knives doh!" They have made playing the game tolerable, the feeling of sneaking up behind an unsuspecting merc is one of the few good feelings left in the game!
KingBabar The-Butterfly-Effect 794	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:38:00 - [25] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Da faq Babar? Nades? Sadly to say that COD has the best grenade mechanics. All of them go to the position you point at. Fused locus grenades lmfao I have no issues with the current direct hit nades other than the no isk equivalent thingy, the core nades are far superior in all but a few scenarioes. I have no input on the COD nade mechanics, have yet to play the game(s).
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 21	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:38:00 - [26] - Quote I love tinkering with dropsuits trying to find that sweet spot. Love just chatting about who's running what and experimenting to find out what works. I hope they add even more mods that prove useful. That and the resource management. I don't run my best suit because it is hard on the isk and I'm super cheqp.
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 69	Posted - 2013.06.10 21:14:00 - [27] - Quote Dropship flying is complicated and difficult! AND I LOVE IT THIS WAY. (apart from SOO MANY things broken about dropships) the general feeling that you have to be an ACE of the skyies to master the flying of the dropship is a good thing. I know it's hard to learn but the fact that it is complicated create this incredible rush of adrenaline when in the heat of battle you have to make crazy stunts to survive.
Dante Kretschmer D3LTA ACADEMY 42	Posted - 2013.06.10 21:46:00 - [28] - Quote I would say its tactical depth. Being able to customize entire squads for diferent purposes and good teamwork is what really separates this game from others. Punishing death just makes it more rewarding and challenging The community when its not QQing! The awness of being in the EvE universe, and all the potential that will come from it
Luk Manag of Terror 19	Posted - 2013.06.10 21:53:00 - [29] - Quote Dante Kretschmer wrote: [list] Punishing death just makes it more rewarding and challenging Yeah, even if I'm going to lose, I still like being able to say, "at least none of us will profit from this fight."
I VOTED FOR-KODOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.10 21:58:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Yeah even I get tired of the constant negative feedback, (no pun intended) so I thought we could have one thread without any form of QQ, though be it ever so legit.... I'll start: I have yet to play another game where the (Locus/flux) nade mechanics are this good. I can make my nades hit exactly where and when I want them to as long as I'm focused and playing well. I bounce them on the floor and they'll roll foreward predictably almost every time, I can bounce them off walls and I can make them explode over people's heads when they're behind cover as long as my timeing is up to par. I very rarely die from other nades since they're normally "spottable" and its mostly the very skilled or the total random throw like in all shooters that gets me the very few times they kill me. KZ 2 also had great nade mechanics, but I like Dust's better. In this ara at least - Great job CCP! I hate to ruin the positivity but obviously youve never played halo.



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