CCP is a awesome company as a whole , and Seriously i was exited about this game so freaking exited , EVE online was such a great game and Dust514 ( concepts ) is flawless and so awesome ,

While the conectivity between dust and eve making one big wold alive is just amasing ...


But the gameplay , gunplay , caracter moovement , controles , etc.. everything on the gameplay aspect Suck badly , i can even describe how much a let down this game is to me ....

Everything feel wrong for a FPS game ,

I cant consider this a competitive shooter , i cant enjoy this game because of those awefull first person mechanics , the gameplay is simply BAD

take a game like planetside 2 , the gameplay is quiet enjoyable even if it need a little polish here and there the gunplay m,echanics are good and enjoyable

Take a game like killzone 2 , even if it was little slugish the pace was great with it ,

Take battlefield , take even COD the gunplay feel right in some ways no matter if we like or dislike the surounding of those game

DUST514 is a major failure , in term of Gunplay i dont know who is responsible for this but fired those peoples and bring some experienced folks who know how to make a good fps ,

Even section 8 ( made with unreal engine ) was a way better game and as a much more enjoyable gunplay then Dust 514

make the caracter moovement more fluid , correct the gunplay and controles weirdness

It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential ..

What does the OP mean by gunplay?

Unless the game is given a complete overall, no matter much gameplay wise it's made like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Modern Warfare, Killzone or pick your own modern FPS equivalent. The MMO, RPG leveling/grinding elements of Dust are still going to be a major turn-off to most of the core-base for those sort of games. In that respect CCP, in my opinion, is better off trying to harsh out a place in the middle of the FPS and RPG/MMO markets, rather then trying to fit directly into either. Competeing head-to-head with other, well known FPS titles would be a no-win situation, similarly for RPGs. However there is a market with playes who like both. That's what I believe Dust in aiming for.

I'm not saying there aren't flaws in the gameplay, and admittedly I didn't play during either closed or open beta. I'm just stating I see a reason why CCP wouldn't want to walk the same gameplay style path as other first person shooters.

I would have liked them to have gone back to their original demo designs. I know it was on a different engine but that was the engine that sold me for DUST in the first place.

Assault Rifles that actually felt like assault rifles, grenade launchers underslung, red dot sights all on one weapon. Now imagine thowing all of the cool weapons and modules from current dust back into that style of game play.

Also CCP I know you love radial menu's but all of your demo designs for HUD's in planetary views were way cooler than they are now.

As I've said before the player base of DUST is here, we are ready for a fully completed AAA shooter with huge EVE dust links...... but do we have that yet?

No matters how deep the game is and how awesome the link is between dust and eve , IF the gunplay and gameplay feel wrong and suck , sorry but no ones would ever play this game especially on consoles but also on PC

The gunplay and caracter moovement feel wrong in every single aspect , everyones i know feel the same and even those who desperatly want to love the game cant get into it because of the awefull gameplay/gunplay mechanics iam sorry

Cmon guys Dust is not all terrible, needs loads of work but there are some fun aspects to the game.

Skill Points system isn't terrible, it's just implemented in a poor way that makes for not just grinding but banging your head against the wall. You get PVE and throw in some sort of matchmaking and it's now more relaxing and fun but still allows greater "leveled" chars to high areas (namely PC for now)

Weapons are actually pretty good. There are some balance issues that we are addressing but there is plenty to improve upon. However, people need to understand that different does not make a weapon imbalanced (SR v AR debate anyone?) Sights and attachments could add a lot but this needs to be done right.

We have a solid list of gamemodes in which to START. Add a little Rush (Skirmish 1.0) and we now have more than BF3 (in terms of useful modes). You get some fluff ones and improve the ones we have and we are sitting pretty.

The building of your char is great in this game. Fitting takes some brains and a little ingenuity but you can make anything you really want. We have some glaring imbalance issues here (like suits with tons of slots over others and worthless mods) but we could get there.

Skipping other stuff... Now the bad.

FPS experience is lacking. You take wonky hit detection and slippery aim and guns that just feel off and throw that in to competitive gameplay and you have some SERIOUS issues, especially when you add in the issues from above. Dust is never going to have the gunplay of COD, the epicness of BF, nor the tactical gameplay of CS but we really should aim to be at least average in these categories. People who only want the best FPS experience should hit the door now, it will never happen. Dust needs to forge a avg fps with good RPG with Mmo.

Really this game should aim for UT in terms of FPS, which is where I think we are headed.

I had more rant in me about map design, map number, lacking links with Eve, lacking trading and much more but I'll just end it here.

It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential ..

CCP is a awesome company as a whole , and Seriously i was exited about this game so freaking exited , EVE online was such a great game and Dust514 ( concepts ) is flawless and so awesome ,

While the conectivity between dust and eve making one big wold alive is just amasing ...


But the gameplay , gunplay , caracter moovement , controles , etc.. everything on the gameplay aspect Suck badly , i can even describe how much a let down this game is to me ....

Everything feel wrong for a FPS game ,

I cant consider this a competitive shooter , i cant enjoy this game because of those awefull first person mechanics , the gameplay is simply BAD

take a game like planetside 2 , the gameplay is quiet enjoyable even if it need a little polish here and there the gunplay m,echanics are good and enjoyable

Take a game like killzone 2 , even if it was little slugish the pace was great with it ,

Take battlefield , take even COD the gunplay feel right in some ways no matter if we like or dislike the surounding of those game

DUST514 is a major failure , in term of Gunplay i dont know who is responsible for this but fired those peoples and bring some experienced folks who know how to make a good fps ,

Even section 8 ( made with unreal engine ) was a way better game and as a much more enjoyable gunplay then Dust 514

make the caracter moovement more fluid , correct the gunplay and controles weirdness

It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential ..

CCP is a awesome company as a whole , and Seriously i was exited about this game so freaking exited , EVE online was such a great game and Dust514 ( concepts ) is flawless and so awesome ,

While the conectivity between dust and eve making one big wold alive is just amasing ...


But the gameplay , gunplay , caracter moovement , controles , etc.. everything on the gameplay aspect Suck badly , i can even describe how much a let down this game is to me ....

Everything feel wrong for a FPS game ,

I cant consider this a competitive shooter , i cant enjoy this game because of those awefull first person mechanics , the gameplay is simply BAD

take a game like planetside 2 , the gameplay is quiet enjoyable even if it need a little polish here and there the gunplay m,echanics are good and enjoyable

Take a game like killzone 2 , even if it was little slugish the pace was great with it ,

Take battlefield , take even COD the gunplay feel right in some ways no matter if we like or dislike the surounding of those game

DUST514 is a major failure , in term of Gunplay i dont know who is responsible for this but fired those peoples and bring some experienced folks who know how to make a good fps ,

Even section 8 ( made with unreal engine ) was a way better game and as a much more enjoyable gunplay then Dust 514

make the caracter moovement more fluid , correct the gunplay and controles weirdness

It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential ..

Agreed.

- Having seperate settings for ADS and hipfire sensitivity would go a long way for me.

- At least the nade mechanics are very good, I've never played a game that has it nailed down better. (KZ2 wasn't bad)

This is what bothers me.....

Many people have been saying that the gameplay and gunplay feels clunky and ruins the experience. But from Chromosome to Uprising....it just got worse. I feel as if CCP only has a hard on for the rpg side but is neglecting the fps side.

I am not an insider in the game development industry...but I'm wondering is it really that hard to fix this problem? I can understand if this was uncharted territory but so many games have already laid the blueprint. And from what I understand, there are MAG & BF3 developers on dust's staff. Even if they suck..they must have some insight...they must see that there is something wrong here.

This needs to take priority

I'm guessing that's going to be in large part what we get in Uprising 1.2. They've only got the two armor plates as assets that they're adding, and the .2 would indicate this is a larger incremental update as opposed to how Odyssey 1.0.3 was released recently, and was primarily fixes to smaller bugs.

Have they confirmed it? Because my optimism has ran its course.

Increasing sensitivity mitigates the clunky feeling for gunplay to a degree. I personally put mine at 100 and never looked back.

When I look at the gameplay of Dust, I always remember how this game is geared heavily toward teamwork and not multiple instances of player vs player combat occurring randomly across the battlefield. Holding down one position, using the combined efforts of a squad and your other teammates rather then roaming solo, from place to place, looking for the next kill is most often, though not always, the better approach to combat.

I see several people complaining about the gameplay of Dust, and to an extent I agree. There are many improvements which could be made. However, I can't help but wonder if some of those people are really complaining about how it's hard or even next to impossible (depending on how deep in SP a player is) to run around Rambo style in Dust. The game is simply not intended to be played that way, at least not from the start.

OMG its Stew

First BOOGERTRON then Pilgram

why you guys show up late to the party... game is dead

Why is it that the OP managed to completely avoid beeing specific in any of his criticism? Do you realize that using the words "bad", "sucks" and "weird" on several occasions does not make a piece of worthwhile feedback?

I was going to make a similar comment to this. I think its funny that most of these guys that say the gun play is bad are just not willing to adapt to a new system/game. I do not have a problem hitting anyone with my guns, but I have been playing the game for a solid year now. With each new update(every 3 to 6 months) there are tweaks to the gun play. So I mess around with my options until I find that golden spot again. It brings me back to one thing. People like to complain, and in life you are more likely to hear someone complain about something then compliment it. It is sad really when you think about it.

Wait, you aren't the same terrible player that's been making all those asinine threads on the Planetside 2 forums for ages now, are you?

Just in case you are, I feel obliged to comment that when the NC MAX's Scattershot Cannon, which is a triple-barreled semi-auto arm-mounted shotgun that the thing can dual-wield was capable of firing as fast as you could mash the button and had far too many rounds per magazine back in the Tech Test, this guy was on the forums constantly asserting that it was a balanced weapon.

When every single battle in Planetside 2 ended in the New Conglomerate coming in in "SCATMAXes" and destroying anyone dumb enough to play another faction until each server's continent map was covered in blue hexes, this guy was defending that asset as balanced, and that other players just needed to play better.

OMG its Stew

First BOOGERTRON then Pilgram

why you guys show up late to the party... game is dead

When I look at the gameplay of Dust, I always remember how this game is geared heavily toward teamwork and not multiple instances of player vs player combat occurring randomly across the battlefield. Holding down one position, using the combined efforts of a squad and your other teammates rather then roaming solo, from place to place, looking for the next kill is most often, though not always, the better approach to combat.

The problem with this is that the game modes for holding down one position only exist in Domination.The other game modes,and low player count,makes for a roving squad type of gameplay.

This game needs the old Skirmish back,where there was only one MCC in the sky,and one team attacked and the other defended.Once we get this back,we will see better tactics across the board.

The game also needs more players per map.Sorry,but anything under 32v32 is just too small,especially for maps this large.

This is what bothers me.....

Many people have been saying that the gameplay and gunplay feels clunky and ruins the experience. But from Chromosome to Uprising....it just got worse. I feel as if CCP only has a hard on for the rpg side but is neglecting the fps side.

I am not an insider in the game development industry...but I'm wondering is it really that hard to fix this problem? I can understand if this was uncharted territory but so many games have already laid the blueprint. And from what I understand, there are MAG & BF3 developers on dust's staff. Even if they suck..they must have some insight...they must see that there is something wrong here.

This needs to take priority