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Stew360
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:18:00 -
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CCP is a awesome company as a whole , and Seriously i was exited about this game so freaking exited , EVE online was such a great game and Dust514 ( concepts ) is flawless and so awesome ,
While the conectivity between dust and eve making one big wold alive is just amasing ...
But the gameplay , gunplay , caracter moovement , controles , etc.. everything on the gameplay aspect Suck badly , i can even describe how much a let down this game is to me ....
Everything feel wrong for a FPS game ,
I cant consider this a competitive shooter , i cant enjoy this game because of those awefull first person mechanics , the gameplay is simply BAD
take a game like planetside 2 , the gameplay is quiet enjoyable even if it need a little polish here and there the gunplay m,echanics are good and enjoyable
Take a game like killzone 2 , even if it was little slugish the pace was great with it ,
Take battlefield , take even COD the gunplay feel right in some ways no matter if we like or dislike the surounding of those game
DUST514 is a major failure , in term of Gunplay i dont know who is responsible for this but fired those peoples and bring some experienced folks who know how to make a good fps ,
Even section 8 ( made with unreal engine ) was a way better game and as a much more enjoyable gunplay then Dust 514
make the caracter moovement more fluid , correct the gunplay and controles weirdness
It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential .. |
Stew360
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:30:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:What does the OP mean by gunplay?
Gunplay is how the guns feels , play . react , handle and so on
Everything related to the guns ... handleling , balistic and so on |
Stew360
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:32:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Unless the game is given a complete overall, no matter much gameplay wise it's made like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Modern Warfare, Killzone or pick your own modern FPS equivalent. The MMO, RPG leveling/grinding elements of Dust are still going to be a major turn-off to most of the core-base for those sort of games. In that respect CCP, in my opinion, is better off trying to harsh out a place in the middle of the FPS and RPG/MMO markets, rather then trying to fit directly into either. Competeing head-to-head with other, well known FPS titles would be a no-win situation, similarly for RPGs. However there is a market with playes who like both. That's what I believe Dust in aiming for.
I'm not saying there aren't flaws in the gameplay, and admittedly I didn't play during either closed or open beta. I'm just stating I see a reason why CCP wouldn't want to walk the same gameplay style path as other first person shooters.
No matters how deep the game is and how awesome the link is between dust and eve , IF the gunplay and gameplay feel wrong and suck , sorry but no ones would ever play this game especially on consoles but also on PC
The gunplay and caracter moovement feel wrong in every single aspect , everyones i know feel the same and even those who desperatly want to love the game cant get into it because of the awefull gameplay/gunplay mechanics iam sorry |
Stew360
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:00:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Stew360 wrote:No matters how deep the game is and how awesome the link is between dust and eve , IF the gunplay and gameplay feel wrong and suck , sorry but no ones would ever play this game especially on consoles but also on PC
The gunplay and caracter moovement feel wrong in every single aspect , everyones i know feel the same and even those who desperatly want to love the game cant get into it because of the awefull gameplay/gunplay mechanics iam sorry Cmon guys Dust is not all terrible, needs loads of work but there are some fun aspects to the game. Skill Points system isn't terrible, it's just implemented in a poor way that makes for not just grinding but banging your head against the wall. You get PVE and throw in some sort of matchmaking and it's now more relaxing and fun but still allows greater "leveled" chars to high areas (namely PC for now) Weapons are actually pretty good. There are some balance issues that we are addressing but there is plenty to improve upon. However, people need to understand that different does not make a weapon imbalanced (SR v AR debate anyone?) Sights and attachments could add a lot but this needs to be done right. We have a solid list of gamemodes in which to START. Add a little Rush (Skirmish 1.0) and we now have more than BF3 (in terms of useful modes). You get some fluff ones and improve the ones we have and we are sitting pretty. The building of your char is great in this game. Fitting takes some brains and a little ingenuity but you can make anything you really want. We have some glaring imbalance issues here (like suits with tons of slots over others and worthless mods) but we could get there. Skipping other stuff... Now the bad. FPS experience is lacking. You take wonky hit detection and slippery aim and guns that just feel off and throw that in to competitive gameplay and you have some SERIOUS issues, especially when you add in the issues from above. Dust is never going to have the gunplay of COD, the epicness of BF, nor the tactical gameplay of CS but we really should aim to be at least average in these categories. People who only want the best FPS experience should hit the door now, it will never happen. Dust needs to forge a avg fps with good RPG with Mmo. Really this game should aim for UT in terms of FPS, which is where I think we are headed. I had more rant in me about map design, map number, lacking links with Eve, lacking trading and much more but I'll just end it here.
You dont get the point , the gunplay is game breaking the caracter moovement is awefull and the overall Gameplay gunsplay is horrific and not enjoyable by any strech of the imagination
This game will be a colossal failure if they dont get rid of the current gunplay caracter moovement to replace it by a good and enjoyable one like planetside 2 , battlefield , halo , killzone , MAG , i can name pretty much 10000 games who as enjoyable core gameplay experience
In your reply you talk about feature , or map layout ? these are feature these arent related to the core gunplay/gameplay/caracter moovement so anything that you found (( good )) are irrevelant
its like if your house as millions of features but broken fondation is your house will be any good ?
Its better to have a good fondation and then build on it , Dust is like a uber futuristic house with all the comodity but with broken plumbing . broken fondation so how your life will be by the end living in this house ? yeah the life will be miserable , because to enjoy such house the plumbing as to work properly and the fondation need to be rock solid do you get it now ? |
Stew360
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Posted - 2013.06.10 20:23:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Stew360 wrote:CCP is a awesome company as a whole , and Seriously i was exited about this game so freaking exited , EVE online was such a great game and Dust514 ( concepts ) is flawless and so awesome ,
While the conectivity between dust and eve making one big wold alive is just amasing ...
But the gameplay , gunplay , caracter moovement , controles , etc.. everything on the gameplay aspect Suck badly , i can even describe how much a let down this game is to me ....
Everything feel wrong for a FPS game ,
I cant consider this a competitive shooter , i cant enjoy this game because of those awefull first person mechanics , the gameplay is simply BAD
take a game like planetside 2 , the gameplay is quiet enjoyable even if it need a little polish here and there the gunplay m,echanics are good and enjoyable
Take a game like killzone 2 , even if it was little slugish the pace was great with it ,
Take battlefield , take even COD the gunplay feel right in some ways no matter if we like or dislike the surounding of those game
DUST514 is a major failure , in term of Gunplay i dont know who is responsible for this but fired those peoples and bring some experienced folks who know how to make a good fps ,
Even section 8 ( made with unreal engine ) was a way better game and as a much more enjoyable gunplay then Dust 514
make the caracter moovement more fluid , correct the gunplay and controles weirdness
It sad to say but this game will fail only because of that while it as so much potential .. Wait, you aren't the same terrible player that's been making all those asinine threads on the Planetside 2 forums for ages now, are you? Just in case you are, I feel obliged to comment that when the NC MAX's Scattershot Cannon, which is a triple-barreled semi-auto arm-mounted shotgun that the thing can dual-wield was capable of firing as fast as you could mash the button and had far too many rounds per magazine back in the Tech Test, this guy was on the forums constantly asserting that it was a balanced weapon. When every single battle in Planetside 2 ended in the New Conglomerate coming in in "SCATMAXes" and destroying anyone dumb enough to play another faction until each server's continent map was covered in blue hexes, this guy was defending that asset as balanced, and that other players just needed to play better.
WOW man whats is this rant about the Planetside 2 balance ?
Is this as anything to do with how dust514 gameplay and gunplay feel ?
man take your pills and go somewhere elses
No matters X or Y balance issue the basic gunsplay mechanics in Ps2 , Halo , BF , killzone , Cod , etc.. Feel great for the most part
DUST514 GUNPLAY GAMEPLAY CARECTER MOOVEMENTS SUCK , iam a experienced PC , Xbox360 , PS3 players |
Stew360
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:19:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:This is what bothers me.....
Many people have been saying that the gameplay and gunplay feels clunky and ruins the experience. But from Chromosome to Uprising....it just got worse. I feel as if CCP only has a hard on for the rpg side but is neglecting the fps side.
I am not an insider in the game development industry...but I'm wondering is it really that hard to fix this problem? I can understand if this was uncharted territory but so many games have already laid the blueprint. And from what I understand, there are MAG & BF3 developers on dust's staff. Even if they suck..they must have some insight...they must see that there is something wrong here.
This needs to take priority
I know there is actually BF devs but no BF3 ones and i dont think those guys was working on modern gunplay mechanics , guns feel gunplay gameplay and caracter moovement is always whats make a game enjoyable or not from a gameplay perpective
a game can suck for 2 main reason , core gameplay broken , or the sunrounding is unapealing , Dust get it rigth on the surounding part but compleatly screw up the core mechanics so DUST is a colosal failure so far Sadly because CCP is such a great company |
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