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ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:52:00 -
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currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:54:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
Or instead make the LAV just a tad bit slow since the heavy is driving it. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
121
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Heavy by the side of the road with his thumb out and placard saying "will kill for lift". |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
323
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:56:00 -
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No, Heavies should still be allowed to drive, though I do think it would be a good idea to have the weight of their added armor slow down the LAV.
Make it cumulative too, one Heavy should slow it down a little, three should make a significantly noticeable difference. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:No, Heavies should still be allowed to drive, though I do think it would be a good idea to have the weight of their added armor slow down the LAV.
Make it cumulative too, one Heavy should slow it down a little, three should make a significantly noticeable difference.
id settle for 1 heavy slows it down to the point that it is not capable or enougth damage to kill a reasonable fit player with 1 hit at full speed. gives the person hit a fighting chance
and if its cumilative it would stop those squads of heavys taking points with ease like they currently do. or just add a mass to heavy suits and add a mass limit to lav's |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2380
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:00:00 -
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This threads a joke and OP should feel bad. "Oh no - heavies now have a way to get to me!" Lol |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
385
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:04:00 -
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I use this combo and it's very effective. No one can survive a heavy 1vs1. |
omega 015
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:07:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I use this combo and it's very effective. For players that are dodgy. No one can survive a heavy 1vs1.
Of course you use this method, you adapted to the range limitation. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
181
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:12:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
Good lord, this thread...
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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
385
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:26:00 -
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omega 015 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I use this combo and it's very effective. For players that are dodgy. No one can survive a heavy 1vs1. Of course you use this method, you adapted to the range limitation.
I was LAV driver first though. I chose a heavy dropsuit so it could survive large turret blasters and grenades better. |
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Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
73
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:32:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:I use this combo and it's very effective. For players that are dodgy. No one can survive a heavy 1vs1.
Celt a scout standing right next to you, gotta love that turn speed eh? ;) |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
385
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:42:00 -
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Lilah Silverstone wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:I use this combo and it's very effective. For players that are dodgy. No one can survive a heavy 1vs1. Cept a scout standing right next to you, gotta love that turn speed eh? ;)
Haha yeah, unless they run straight to my face shotgun wins vs heavy.
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Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
367
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:44:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
What the..? |
DJINN Nukem
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:47:00 -
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everyone is always trying to beat us heavys down even more.
so you want to now slow us in LAV's.. what a joke,
your all just scared of us so you cry for heavy nerfs.
Fail Topic! |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
595
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:48:00 -
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this is worse thread ever.. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
323
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:51:00 -
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@DJINN Nukem
I actually want you Heavies to be significantly buffed, I just want it done with some logic. |
Judge Magister Nocturnus
The Generals EoN.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:07:00 -
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Next thing you'll see them asking for a nerf is for a speed Tanking Heavy like me to not be allowed Kin Cats in my low slots... |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:13:00 -
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i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough
but when people just roam around in lav's with an aim to run people over and then if they cant they just dismount that high dps at close range then there is no ballance.a player can spec to take out a vehicle or spec to take out a heavy but you cant spec to take out both at the same time unless your a heavy yourself. in that case your likely to be run over or shot while your reloading. if i fire swarm at you and av grenades you know im antitank spec so you just dismount and mow me down because i have no dps against heavy. if i shoot at you with anything else you still dismount and mow me down because im still at a disadvantage no matter the situation. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2424
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:15:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough
but when people just roam around in lav's with an aim to run people over and then if they cant they just dismount that high dps at close range then there is no ballance.a player can spec to take out a vehicle or spec to take out a heavy but you cant spec to take out both at the same time unless your a heavy yourself. in that case your likely to be run over or shot while your reloading. if i fire swarm at you and av grenades you know im antitank spec so you just dismount and mow me down because i have no dps against heavy. if i shoot at you with anything else you still dismount and mow me down because im still at a disadvantage no matter the situation. Heavies want balance too. You think we enjoy that our HMG bullets magically disappear after 20m? Lol |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2083
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:15:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game Use a scrambler pistol, those headshots |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
101
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:20:00 -
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This thread isn't all that bad, it is a real issue in my opinion. Bust not allowing heavies to drive is not the solution. I like the thought of your dropsuit slowing down a vehicle based on it's mass. This would actually give more incentive to use the upcoming pilot dropsuit as it will be in a light frame. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:21:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: Heavies want balance too. You think we enjoy that our HMG bullets magically disappear after 20m? Lol
its a HMG fired from the hip. close range effectiveness. and it defeats the purpose to have heavy armor and to sit at long range. everything in the game should have its purpose and be extremely effective at that purpose. but having an i win all the time setup is bad for any game. first it was long range hmg now its heavys moving about freely as 1 man armys with no support and no way to take them out short of taking them on in a tank |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
251
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:30:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough
Honestly, I think the issue is LAV HP. Plenty of Heavies used the Battle Segway (ALL HAIL THE BATTLE SEGWAY!) to get into range prior to the LAV HP buff and it worked just fine.
The danger was that you had to get close enough to spew bullets, but to be damn careful about someone popping you with AV nades or something on the way in.
With the free LAVs as built up as they are now, you can just roll all over the map until you find someone who's good at dodging your bumper and then pop out and mow him down.
Full disclaimer: I am and people in my "Heavy heavy" corp are contributing to this problem. Nixnova in particular is heavy specced and plays this game like it's Grand Theft Auto. The lower tiers of LAVs probably need their HP tweaked back in the direction they came from. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:32:00 -
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There is NO apostrophe in LAVs. The apostrophe is only for ownership. Get your grammar right. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
166
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:34:00 -
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This thread is utterly ridiculous. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
101
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:35:00 -
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Why do we even still have FREE LAVs? Aren't we past the point where players can either spec into them or buy their own darn militia LAVs? |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Why do we even still have FREE LAVs? Aren't we past the point where players can either spec into them or buy their own darn militia LAVs?
i believe the quad type vehicle was meant to replace the free lav's (yes i did it again and idgaf)eventually but ccp has screwed up the removal of free lav's by adding lav bpo's to merc packs. but removing the free ones would be a start to fixing the problem |
BILLY SLIPPYFISTS
Red Star. EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:44:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
Bro, do you even lift?
Its a MURDER TAXI quit you complaining.... |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
108
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:57:00 -
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Remove the freebies and I'll get the BPO.
Nerf the Impact damage to 200 armor only. This gives anybody the chance to survive, with slim chances - and their shields. OR Buff the LAV exhaust sound. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
410
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Posted - 2013.06.08 19:40:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
Lol. No. :P You're silly, OP. Maybe you should go back to CoD where everyone gets OHK'd. |
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