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greyarea67
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:32:00 -
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OP is trolling, right? |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:39:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:@DJINN Nukem
I actually want you Heavies to be significantly buffed, I just want it done with some logic.
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:43:00 -
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You make it sound like it's recent news that heavies and LAV's have been seen together, back in chromosome heavies where using free LAV's to drive around since they was so slow, it's called adapting to your weakness's. Seriously three heavies in a logistic LAV is a seriously viable shock trooper tactic, suprised that I don't see more objective assaults being head by this, LAV rams in, take out 1-3 guys instanlty, and causes a bit of confusion in the enemy remaining, two HMG heavies hop out start mowing down while the thrid gets the armour or shield rep on the two heavies before he mans the turret, by the time one of the heavies is dead thats at least 6 players killed before the assaults ect move in to mop up and hack. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:37:00 -
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Guys, I think this thread gave me AIDS.
Seriously, I'm totally dieing of AIDS right now. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:47:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over. *raises his hand*
Guilty as charged.
Sometimes while driving around in Death Race 514 there are no turrets, HAVs, snipers, or other Racers to fight so I'll settle for old fashioned roadkill. Since my driving sucks there are plenty of times it requires me to dismount and use the Toxin Submachine-gun. Unfortunately there are many people who are better at the FPS part too so I have to jump back in my little red Jihad Jeep and drive away.
This is the most fun I have ever had in this game. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:49:00 -
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I agree with the OP completely. The disadvantage of the heavy => mobility. A LAV means they effectively have no disadvantage. Last build before all the super LAV roadkill bullsht this was a problem (known as murder taxi), now it's even worse and murder taxi means roadkills now. How do you people not see the imbalance here? |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:59:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough
but when people just roam around in lav's with an aim to run people over and then if they cant they just dismount that high dps at close range then there is no ballance.a player can spec to take out a vehicle or spec to take out a heavy but you cant spec to take out both at the same time unless your a heavy yourself. in that case your likely to be run over or shot while your reloading. if i fire swarm at you and av grenades you know im antitank spec so you just dismount and mow me down because i have no dps against heavy. if i shoot at you with anything else you still dismount and mow me down because im still at a disadvantage no matter the situation.
if you cant spec for both then stop trying to be the one man army you spoke against
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TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:02:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:I agree with the OP completely. The disadvantage of the heavy => mobility. A LAV means they effectively have no disadvantage. Last build before all the super LAV roadkill bullsht this was a problem (known as murder taxi), now it's even worse and murder taxi means roadkills now. How do you people not see the imbalance here?
uprising is just one big imbalance as a result of the overnight idiocy of devs ripping the carpet out from under the game. the MD was the bane of the heavy in chrome. now there is no weapon that banes the heavy and stupid posts like these get made |
Tactic Angel
GodsWolves
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:16:00 -
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Until there is a "MAV," Medium Armored Vehicle, some APC-like that can transport on the ground a squad full of troops, I think you are just going to have to live with the specter of a heavy riding around in an LAV. I hate dealing with heavy suits, but it isn't very fair to expect them to hoof it to and form every objective. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:29:00 -
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Tactic Angel wrote: I hate dealing with heavy suits, but it isn't very fair to expect them to hoof it to and form every objective.
make dead bodies do damage to these jeeps. I'm sure there's lots of armor on these jeeps, but we aren't talking about hitting a squishy pedestrian. These are clones wearing hundreds of pounds of armor themselves. They should mess up a LAV in a manner perhaps not dissimilar to a deer hitting your car. The deer may die, but it usually does a good amount of damage to the car.
The op said heavy couldn't drive not couldn't ride. Making teamwork necessary.
Why is making body's do damage to LAV so popular? It will not solve anything at all. These things have tons of HP and rep so fast it would be akin to a slap on the wrist. |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:35:00 -
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honestly you guys crying "nerf the heavy!!" had this coming, you killed their effectiveness from mid to long range now they are adapting and finding way to still do their job, this wouldn't be happening if you assaulters didn't whine about what you think heavies should be used for. so now what, your going to take away their ability to kill close range just because there doing what you said they should be doing along with their own adaptation and not what yours?
oohh irony |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:20:00 -
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i remember just last night some -kitten- tried to run me over, I was in my sinper ALT which uses SCPs, AND he was wearing a heavy suit.
The -kitten- couldn't run me over and for some reason he would not stop trying to kill me so i proceeded to shoot the driver, remember a heavy, and actually got a headshot or 2 in on him with the catherham *O* needless to say i had him @25% health and he was still trying to run me over. Also wanna make it clear this was a logi LAV. So after a few shot i actually killed him,took his LAV(it had a PRO recharge,PRO hardener,and crisis mod) ran over his team, and blew it up at the end of the match.
I did not get hatemail sadly |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:30:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:i did not get hatemail sadly
that wouldv been the best part.... |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:41:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:i did not get hatemail sadly that wouldv been the best part....
best part is I think I ran him over, can't really tell it was a heavy though, quite a few times with his own LAV. Ah good times |
Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:47:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough
but when people just roam around in lav's with an aim to run people over and then if they cant they just dismount that high dps at close range then there is no ballance.a player can spec to take out a vehicle or spec to take out a heavy but you cant spec to take out both at the same time unless your a heavy yourself. in that case your likely to be run over or shot while your reloading. if i fire swarm at you and av grenades you know im antitank spec so you just dismount and mow me down because i have no dps against heavy. if i shoot at you with anything else you still dismount and mow me down because im still at a disadvantage no matter the situation. The heavies adapted. Now, so must you.
Have you ever tried sniping, stealth&CQC, tank driving, or forge-gunning? These are just a couple of examples of things that you can do which foil what you claim are the almighty heavies in almighty LAVs, and don't even put you in the situation you continuously describe as unbalanced.
From the way you describe it and have a problem with it, I can only imagine you running around with fittings like assault rifles and AV grenades which is WAY too popular at the moment, anyway. |
Karazantor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:03:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i just want some ballance. previously you had long range/high dps and then they nerfed the range so you all jumped into lav's to get in close. thats fair enough Honestly, I think the issue is LAV HP. Plenty of Heavies used the Battle Segway (ALL HAIL THE BATTLE SEGWAY!) to get into range prior to the LAV HP buff and it worked just fine. The danger was that you had to get close enough to spew bullets, but to be damn careful about someone popping you with AV nades or something on the way in. With the free LAVs as built up as they are now, you can just roll all over the map until you find someone who's good at dodging your bumper and then pop out and mow him down. Full disclaimer: I am and people in my "Heavy heavy" corp are contributing to this problem. Nixnova in particular is heavy specced and plays this game like it's Grand Theft Auto. The lower tiers of LAVs probably need their HP tweaked back in the direction they came from.
This. Its a terrible combination and CCP should feel terrible for doing this to LAV's.
Get rid of free LAV's, require skills (or dropsuits?) to pilot them and/or tweak back the militia ones to low hitpoints, and its all good again.
LLAV's are another matter. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:40:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:currently you have 2 options for taking out lav's. kill the driver or blow the thing up. fair enougth
well thats all well and good unless he is in a heavy suit weilding a heavy machinegun. shoot the driver and he has enougth ehp to just carry on regardless, blow the vehicle up and he just jumps out and kills the guy who blew it up then calls in a new free lav
heavys are meant to be slow heavy damage and lav's are meant to be fast with bad damage. combine the 2 and these things are damd near indestructable. i have dodged lav's many times only for a heavy to jump out and mow me down and then just jump back in and drive off looking for the next guy to run over.
i have no problem tbh with people running people over. we can jump behind walls, barriers, box's etc and the threat is minimised giving me an opportunity to either shoot the driver in his seat, when he switches to turrets or when he dismounts or he just drives off. but when a heavy does this he always has the upperhand. he stays mounted and drives away, he jumps on the turret and fires back with relatively no risk due to high ehp or he dismounts and kills you with his heavy machinegun. if your a heavy yourself he mows you down by ramming you as you cant dodge nothing. if your in any other suit then your just dead either way.
there is a big imballance there which needs to be fixed somehow.
my suggestion is make heavys unable to drive any type of vehicle. they would then have to rely on others to speed them across the map and drop them off. they should not be allowed to 1 man army their way through every game
he had better hop he sees the swarms coming ..expensive suit in free lav = stupidity. ...and if he was running anything other than a charybdis then u suck...the charybdis is the only lav thats even remotely challenging to blow up. my suggestion make it so you cannot get in a vehicles driver seat unless you can make said vehicle..can get in a turrent without the skills...ide put a proto turrent on my lav just so no scrub could get in....since giving us a damn key is tooo complicated for ya. ;) oh and the baloch should become limited and restock-able at militia prices once u graduate the battle academy |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
399
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:57:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:This threads a joke and OP should feel bad. "Oh no - heavies now have a way to get to me!" Lol "nerf heavys harder!" lolol |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:59:00 -
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sorry but weighing down the LAV makes too much sence so it wont happen. If we take a debuff because it makes the game more real make our HMGs do more damage and have a higher range than ARs. Its only real. At that point do whateva you want to heavys and lavs |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:59:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:honestly you guys crying "nerf the heavy!!" had this coming, you killed their effectiveness from mid to long range now they are adapting and finding way to still do their job, this wouldn't be happening if you assaulters didn't whine about what you think heavies should be used for. so now what, your going to take away their ability to kill close range just because there doing what you said they should be doing along with their own adaptation and not what yours? oohh irony
no one said anything about nefing heavys. this was a post about balancing out something which is clearly unballanced. the lav counters the heavys slow manuverability and the the heavy counters the lavs lack of dps/accuracy. that added with the ability to kill anything with one hit by speeding into it makes both while used in conjunction with each other overpowered |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
337
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:36:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@DJINN Nukem
I actually want you Heavies to be significantly buffed, I just want it done with some logic.
^^See?
Warlord likes my logic. More people need to listen to logic instead of the scrubs who just want their crutch suit. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
136
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:42:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:This threads a joke and OP should feel bad. "Oh no - heavies now have a way to get to me!" Lol
+1 totally agree. |
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