Look at this, middle right. They're coming.

All non driver occupants should take significant damage on flip.
No a/v or exterior blasters. Sole defense is to unload infantry for dealing with enemy ground troops.
No mine detection.
Not fast as lav, provides troop protection over speed.

Thinking ahead to potential (mis)uses:
Hack. Objective (think line harvest domination), and then block entrance with driver-occupied mav.
Sit by objective and provide ap area denial.
Convoy murder taxi
Disembark, pvp, embark, heal, repeat.

Are we talking apc or open rear like the bad guys use in 90% of action movies?

Give me the Gallente MAV or give me death!

God, words can't describe how awesome that freight train of screw you looks.

As for OP, I'd rather the MAV be REALLY torque-y than straight up fast. Make it slower than the LAV but give it the ability to climb over hills much easier than LAVs, and perhaps as easy or easier than HAVs. Tank should be super high, DPS capabilities really low (maybe one medium and one small turret or something).

Roving MAV full of protoheavies will break this game.

How much different would this be from a Dropship full of Proto heavies, or two LAVGÇÖs full of Proto heavies, or two tanks full of Proto heavies? If running 6 Proto heavies together was game breaking we would be seeing it now.

I would be fine with your torque-y MAV, slower than a LAV, as long as it is quite a bit faster than a tank. With my suggestion, you would almost never get to use the top speed anyway.

well a dropship full of proto heavies would be dead before it ever got to drop them off

LAVs attempting to loiter against opposition will be short lived. When loitering, dropships flying high are swarm/forge bait and low flying dropships are AV nade bait. Tanks are a little different in that the threat IS the vehicle and its presence must be maintained for it to be effective.

MAVs are different in that the threatening part of the platform is the infantry that can be deployed while the MAV retreats to regenerate while the troops wreak havoc. A returning MAV has the opportunity to get roadkills upon entry, achieve kills with AP blasters while retrieving wounded troops, and then get more roadkills en route to the next objective all while presumably healing the heavies who remain impervious to direct damage.

Not saying they're not something I'd love to see, just worried that OP makes them sound a lot like an LAV with no speed nerf, vastly increased armor, improved DPS, enough CPU/PG to host a mobile CRU, and the ability to quickly bust through enemy lines and drop an entire squad without having to stay in the area until egress is requested.

We'll just have to wait for the MAV BPO to be released so everyone can try them out....repeatedly!!!

well even tanks can roadkill ive done it several times so if the MAV cant even move fast enough to roadkill then it wont be fast enough for the battlefield or for troop transport

With the MAV's I would be more then happy to have it have the following attributes

1. Medium speed with massive torque for going up hills with ease
2. No real defenses other then either armor high or shield high
3. speed is set low enough that using it as a murder taxi isn't possible
4. Two equipment slots to allow it to serve a vital function. It should be a force multiplier not a wrecking ball
5. price should be between LAV's and tanks.
6. give it a badass big rig air horn... you know, just to be cool

If it takes a long time to get to top speed, and it will flip on its side if it hits a rock or makes a sharp turn at high speed, the max speed is completely irrelevant! I can think of maybe two maps that have long straight paved roads down the side of the map that would allow it to get to top speed, but those roads are not near any objectives. I am just saying to make it drive like a truck. HasnGÇÖt anyone driven a truck before? Have you guys at least tried taking a sharp turn in a mini van? The MAV will be heavy and have a much higher center of gravity than a HAV.

As far as a MAVGÇÖs effective health, well right now I can solo any HAV currently in the game with my Proto Swarm Launcher, if I have cover, time, and ammo. If the MAV does not have enough health, then it is just 6 easy kills. I canGÇÖt solo a Dropship if it bugs out after my first swarms hit it. I can only kill Dropships that stick around. A well tanked LAV may get away from me due to its fast acceleration, speed and agility. But a MAV wonGÇÖt have the acceleration, or the agility/turning radius to bug out quickly. If it does not have enough health it will be a sitting duck.

You know how sweet it is to blow up a LAV and get 3 kills? Imagine getting 6 kills? At least in a Dropship they get time to bail, so sometimes I only get an assist on the Dropship and no kills. I am trying to find a balance to make the MAV effective as a troop carrier, because it would make it easier to keep a squad together, but I am approaching it from the perspectives of someone who spends a lot of time hunting vehicles.

It should have LIMITED defenses, consisting of very high tanking power but very low offensive power. A forward facing medium turret that has a very restricted turning angle easily accomplishes this.

The MAV should have boundless torque, not high top speed (you can always put a nitrous system on it, as well).

Seems everyone latched on to my GÇ£fast as a LAV commentGÇ¥ and had the complete lack of intelligence to grasp my GÇ£drives like a truckGÇ¥ comment.

With the MAV's I would be more then happy to have it have the following attributes

1. Medium speed with massive torque for going up hills with ease
2. No real defenses other then either armor high or shield high
3. speed is set low enough that using it as a murder taxi isn't possible
4. Two equipment slots to allow it to serve a vital function. It should be a force multiplier not a wrecking ball
5. price should be between LAV's and tanks.
6. give it a badass big rig air horn... you know, just to be cool

give it a badass big rig air horn... you know, just to be cool

Agree with tank and low offensive power, but would hold off on turrets and instead allow transported troops access to gun ports for their primary weapon with a 45* FOV.

And this comment right here is the basis for my murder taxi comment. I don't care if the maps don't have straightaways; the astute player will eventually migrate to the MAV for murder-taxiing due to 1) nitrous/torque converter/whatever 2) low speed impact deaths and 3) get increased lethality and survivability over the LAV. We will have murdertaxi classic and New murdertaxi.

Your perception of how the MAV will operate is completely warped, and your paranoia of simple LAVs is clouding.

Giving the MAV access to double sided forge guns, swarm launchers, or mass drivers is going to be a far worse scenario than your unsubstantiated fears of "murder taxiing"

The intent of my participation were to foresee potential misuses and bring them to light, not to ruffle feathers or invite abuse. I don't know how to respond to that... MAV incarnation are subject to the whims of the CCP drawing board. Can you link to a concrete description of MAV operation? The ubiquitous QQ threads on this forum about LAVs would indicate that the comment is a statement of fact, not delusion brought on by paranoia as you so kindly asserted. Perhaps in an open-rear variant with reduced armor and the afore-mentioned maneuverability challenges it would be a viable option i.e. glass cannon with 6x the kills upon destruction. On a side note, impact damage fix is not yet in place and I'm not holding my breath, sorry.

Are any of these valid descriptions of what is sought?
Have the torque to climb hills but promptly flip over when discontinuous terrain is encountered.
Operate predominantly on roads but rarely reach the speed of an LAV due to inertia concerns.
Be concurrently heavily armored and field proto AP blasters and a mobile CRU and troop repair.
Be exceedingly long in stance, tanked, and able to transport 6 proto logi's with vehicle reppers.
Require 2-3 dedicated AV to take out as well as 3-9 AP players to remove the deposited troops.

I eagerly anticipate the arrival of MAVs, just hoping they get this right as it has the potential to be a major game changer. o

wat i wuild asume of a APC vechical in dust time is that its going to be heavly terain capabilety's so no fliping over its not a LAV whit light weight its going to be a metal cubelike vechical whit heavy ass armoure how does that even flip its not like its designed to be a speeding lightweight vechical

and if some1 is stupid enof to drive of a clif/platform sure itwl flip after plumiting downward's that id understand but that's the only way i wuild asume it be able to flip over
that or a HAV driving ful speed against it

Thinking about this more, I think the base acceleration on the MAV should be low (like HAV low), and the Operation skill should increase the acceleration to effective levels. This way you would need a dedicated truck driver to get the most out of it, and they would not be spammed by everyone.

How much different would this be from a Dropship full of Proto heavies, or two LAVGÇÖs full of Proto heavies, or two tanks full of Proto heavies? If running 6 Proto heavies together was game breaking we would be seeing it now.

These APC-style vehicles would be great, with the options for fitting them as rearm, repair, respawn etc vehicles as well opening up a wealth of possibilities. Basically a tough support vehicle (though I guess some of that is covered by the logistics LAV which seems pretty damn tough as is).
In saying this though with the maps we have there wouldn't be much of a place for the APC in them, particularly games that are only 16 v 16.